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How really silly are you trying to be? Consider the following.

Make a real arm or leg. You can't do it. Science can't do it. After painstaking research, science is only finally finding out how to adapt the nature of a few animals that CAN regrow limbs, in such a way that they might possibly apply it to people someday. In other words, as far as science goes, regrowing limbs is still way beyond their reach.

What does this mean? This means that there is a lot of technology in growing arms and legs. Science doesn't have a clue, science is completely blind, regarding how to grow a limb from scratch without using some of the processes that nature has provided. To repeat, science has absolutely no idea as to how to take a bunch of chemicals and turn them into an arm or leg.

The point? The point is that regrowing an arm or leg requires a large amount of capability, way beyond anything that we can even imagine at this time.

So, where did you get your arms and legs that you have already? Didn't you get them free? Certainly you didn't buy them, right? You might have exercised them or trained them in certain ways, but if you hadn't gotten them free, there would be no way you could get them at all!

Again, the point is that there is a tremendous amount of "stuff" in the nature of arms an legs that is miraculous regarding anything that we can do to make them.

Now consider the miracles that Jesus did as recorded in the Bible. Some of them were done quite easily by Him. Look at the transfiguration of Jesus in Matthew 17. While Jesus and 3 of His disciples were on the mount of transfiguration, a man with a demon (epilepsy?) possessed son came to the disciples He had left behind at the foot of the mountain for help. But they couldn't heal the boy. The disciples couldn't cast the demon out as they had done at other times, possibly because it was epilepsy. Look at what happens when Jesus comes into the situation, Matthew 17:16-21:
You won't ever get the things you desire along these lines of healing. Why not? No faith. The Bible section shown above shows why something as tremendous as regrowing arms and legs isn't being done in miraculous ways by more than a few people. They aren't praying and fasting enough in faith.

Again, why doesn't a small amount of prayer and fasting work to restore lost limbs? Because of the gigantic amount of "technology" within things like limbs. It is also why you lost any faith that you might have had years ago. You simply gave up when it didn't work out for you like you thought it should.

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Certainly someone who loses both arms and legs is someone in need and plenty of people that actually believe in god have been praying for them and yet it never happened. I guess god doesn't want to show us his existence that way, it would be too easy and it would make us atheists believe in him, he obviously doesn't want that

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Many people pray for all kinds of medical help. All medical that works is a gift of God despite the medical system that is greedy for money. Prayer without faith is not prayer, even though it might seem to be. The studies are not taking faith into account.

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Luke 20:1-8:

Since prayer has never given someone a limb back, for example, I know for a fact prayer does not work, plenty of studies have been made, prayer is useless.

Your basic science that you use is political science. Your post doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you don't know the future. The way you posted is political science in form.

Since you don't know that we might go to Mars because of prayer, yet state the opposite, you show that you don't really know anything.

Luke 16:8,9:
So you see. Unbelievers are very shrewd. But like the dishonest manager that these verses are in references to, they will ultimately be kicked out. However, you probably won't understand this.

I know science works, we are certainly never going to mars thanks to prayer so go back to your cave.

There are multitudes of unforeseen things that might stop it easily. Consider Bitcoin. In less that 10 years of Bitcoin beta, Bitcoin has made a dent in the more-than-100-y-o financial system. In addition, the petrodollar is collapsing because other countries are moving away from it to things like crypto or gold. Will the USD be able to stand so that it can support Mars plans? We don't know the future.

It's not a prediction, the first man made mission is set to be around 2024, considering that it might have some delay or problems, the 10-20 years estimation is more than generous, 2024 is 6 years from now.

Height and IQ are positively correlated in children. I do not know how much of this effect is due to nutrition. However, the studies I cited were done in the US in the 1920s which so poor nutrition would presumably have been less of an issue. Here is a discussion from earlier in the thread where I highlighted my source for this.

Just one to mention one thing, height doesn't have anything to do with intelligence, like you mentioned in the OP. Unless they are taller because they had better nutrition growing up, which does affect intelligence.

Many events happened, like, 5 years ago. What does any of that have to do with you being able to predict the future? If it happens as you say, it wasn't because any of your predictions were know to be factual ahead of time. All it means is that your guess was the guess that happened... right along with the guess of thousands of others who guessed the same way.

Curiosity landed on mars like 5 years ago dude, welcome to the future, yes I know it's not a human but 7 landings of unmanned spacecrafts have been successful. It's not me saying it. ''SpaceX' aspirational goal is to land the first humans on Mars by 2024'' Obviously we can't be sure but it's really not that hard to think it will happen in 10-20 years at most. 

Thousands or millions of people were delayed on their way to the corner store. And you think you know we will make it to Mars? LOL!

However, if that is your religion, and if it improves your health somehow, more power to you.

 

We will get there in 10-20 years, not thanks to god, thanks to science because as you can see science works, religion doesn't.

You'll be dead long before you get there... and more than likely even off the ground.

Personally I will be going to Mars where hopefully we have no religion.

I think human life on earth could survive three doubling times. Not sure about five.

I have been to India. The population density there is 382 per square kilometer. It is pretty crowded there already though they get by. Total population density of the world right now is about 55 per square kilometer (excluding Antarctica because that not really habitable with current technology). Three population doublings would take the population to about 60 billion and make the global population density about 440 per square kilometer 15% higher then that of India today.

That would be pretty crowded but I suspect technology, technological advances and human ingenuity could handle that much provided we cooperate and don't do anything too stupid. Even using your not so accurate projection of a population growth of 1% a year that is 210 year of technological progress to handle the growth.

Also your guess is likely to be wildly inaccurate. Population growth is likely to be far less than 1%. I am not an expert on the data but my understanding is that the UN estimates tend to error on the side of overestimating growth rates. Also worldwide fertility is plummeting and looks set to grow at far less than 1%.



Fertility of 2.1 is effectively 0% population growth due to accidental deaths. I fully expect the global fertility will continue to drop maybe even below 2.1. The primary driver of human reproduction the link between human reproductive activity and human procreation has been severed by contraceptive technology. The necessity of modern education increasingly consumes our prime reproductive years and this demand will only grow in the future. Children are no longer an economic boon but a great cost for parents so increasingly only those very interested in them will have them. Automated robots and learning algorithms will increasingly consume low level jobs so even those wanting large families may be unable to find the work to support them. See:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/leela-zero-and-gradual-rise-of-ai-4359289

I am doubtful that we will see even a single population doubling from our current level.  

health and religion had always crossed together. im sure, that some diet traditions in many cultures were made through the huge experience of our ancetors and thats why it is helpful and healthy

Educational level is definitely a big factor with a few exceptions. Some religious groups have been shown to have more children at higher educational levels but that is the exception rather then the rule.

Your population growth estimate of doubling every 70 years is much too high. Population growth is slowing around the globe.

World population projected to reach 9.8 billion in 2050, and 11.2 billion in 2100

https://www.un.org/development/desa/en/news/population/world-population-prospects-2017.html