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legendary
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February 18, 2018, 06:41:45 PM
Interesting. I wonder whether the health and religion link could be due to the community/social elements of religion. Certainly, a sense of "community" is lacking in many places around the world and that brings many ailments

That's probably a big part of the effect. Upthread I highlighted some studies that indicated that it was actual observance attendance in church etc rather then just professed belief that was correlated with improved health outcomes.

I think it goes deeper then just a sense of community however. Many communities are degenerative or non sustainable on iteration over time. Presumably this is why the "sense of community" has vanished from much of the world.

Perhaps the health and religion link is simply the result of result of the genuine application of iterable beliefs and principles over time. I don't know. The overall effect, however, is shockingly strong and surprising underreported.
sr. member
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February 18, 2018, 06:02:48 PM
I think that religion and health can't be associated. Religion is just a thing in your head that making troubles all the time and didn't changing your health.
newbie
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February 18, 2018, 06:02:13 PM
Interesting. I wonder whether the health and religion link could be due to the community/social elements of religion. Certainly, a sense of "community" is lacking in many places around the world and that brings many ailments
legendary
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February 18, 2018, 05:33:14 PM

In a classical experiment known as the “Good Samaritan Study,” researchers monitored who would stop to help an injured person lying in an alley. They found that religiosity played no role in helping behavior, even when participants were on their way to deliver a talk on the parable of the good Samaritan.


Whatever your sources are for this
Astargath they are not giving you accurate information.

The Good Samaritan study had nothing to do with comparing atheists and religious. It was a study on the behavior of religious seminary students.

The Good Samaritan Experiement: Darley & Batson (1973)
http://socialpsychologyatpratt.blogspot.com/2011/10/good-samaritan-experiement-darley.html?m=1
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In their classic social psychology study the experimenters recruited 67 students from the Princeton Theological Seminary and told them it was a study about religious education and vocations.
Results

On average just 40% of the seminary students offered help (with a few stepping over the apparently injured man) but crucially the amount of hurry they were in had a large influence on behaviour. Here is the percentage of participants who offered help by condition:
Low hurry: 63%
Medium hurry: 45%
High hurry: 10%

The type of talk they were giving also had an effect on whether they offered help. Of those asked to talk about careers for seminarians, just 29% offered help, while of those asked to talk about the parable of the Good Samaritan, fully 53% gave assistance."

What the Good Samaritan Experiement really tells us is that seminary students don't always do the right thing especially when they are in a hurry.

It also tells us that when their religion is fresh in their mind rather then mundane concerns they are more likely to do the right thing.

It is no surprise that humans even seminary students often fail. We already know that two thirds of the highly educated will administer a lethal electrical shock to an innocent if an authority figure pushes them to it. See:

The Milgram Experiment: Are We Evil?
http://www.mysticfiles.com/the-milgram-experiment-are-we-evil/

What is much more important in my opinion is the dramatic increase in the amount of students who stopped to help when their thoughts were not on a lecture about jobs and money but instead on a lecture about their religious principles.

Religion, Altruism, and Helping Strangers: A Multilevel Analysis of 126 Countries
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319234810_Religion_Altruism_and_Helping_Strangers_A_Multilevel_Analysis_of_126_Countries

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This article tests how religion relates to helping strangers, an important but rarely studied measure of social solidarity and informal social capital... It finds that religious people, members of minority religions, and people in religiously diverse countries were more likely to help a stranger. Individuals living in devout countries were more likely to help strangers even if they themselves were not religious. The results suggest that religion plays a particularly important role in promoting the prosocial norms and values that motivate helping strangers.
legendary
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February 18, 2018, 04:24:08 PM
Religion and health or finances have nothing in common.

Wrong. Regarding health, it is scientific known that placebo effect is real. Placebo effect revolves around what people believe. Religious belief affects health just like placebo effect. Why? Because both involve what is believed.

On top of placebo effect is... God hears and answers.

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newbie
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February 18, 2018, 02:44:06 PM
Religion and health or finances have nothing in common.
hero member
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January 30, 2018, 06:26:13 AM
Buddhism, for example, may officially be a religion without gods, but most Buddhists still treat Buddha as a deity. Similarly, the Catholic Church vehemently opposes birth control, but the vast majority of Catholics practice it anyway. In fact, theological incorrectness is the norm rather than the exception among believers.

Do people practice what they preach?
Social scientific research on the topic offers some intriguing results.

When researchers ask people to report on their own behaviors and attitudes, religious individuals claim to be more altruistic, compassionate, honest, civic and charitable than nonreligious ones. Even among twins, more religious siblings describe themselves are being more generous.

But when we look at actual behavior, these differences are nowhere to be found.

Researchers have now looked at multiple aspects of moral conduct, from charitable giving and cheating in exams to helping strangers in need and cooperating with anonymous others.

In a classical experiment known as the “Good Samaritan Study,” researchers monitored who would stop to help an injured person lying in an alley. They found that religiosity played no role in helping behavior, even when participants were on their way to deliver a talk on the parable of the good Samaritan.

This finding has now been confirmed in numerous laboratory and field studies. Overall, the results are clear: No matter how we define morality, religious people do not behave more morally than atheists, although they often say (and likely believe) that they do.
hero member
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January 30, 2018, 02:32:29 AM
According to 218 studies on the effects of loneliness and social isolation, researchers found that having poor social connections and intimate relationships is nearly twice as deadly as just being fat.
newbie
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January 07, 2018, 10:11:44 AM
These stats are flawed because it's only true in the USA. I have an IQ of 153, and I'm heavily religious and a true far-right believer. Also, they're not really actualised.



Also, if there ever is a greater-than-human A.I. it will likely detest religion thoroughly, because to do so is quite logical: 
 
https://youtu.be/VrCTGfeJvxM 

Nothing is better than humans except God, because we're His most perfect creation.
legendary
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January 07, 2018, 09:07:05 AM
Health is the state of being well in the mind and body where as Religion is the act and  the way of worshiping the supreme being

Not all religions claim a supreme being.    Cool
newbie
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January 07, 2018, 08:57:25 AM
Health is the state of being well in the mind and body where as Religion is the act and  the way of worshiping the supreme being
legendary
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January 07, 2018, 07:11:09 AM
Jesus loves you more than could ever imagine..hes more willing and concerned for your happines,peace, and joy, than you could ever be for yourself.he knows all the gifts that you want for your self,snd desires even  more for you.serve him with all your heart.trust him with all your life.not only does he know everything about you he knows everything about your future without him ., theres no future for you.

And this is why a Jesus-based religion will be more healthful for you. Jesus is doing it through the power of God. We don't understand the process at all. But events over time have proven this to be the fact.

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newbie
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January 07, 2018, 03:57:47 AM
Jesus loves you more than could ever imagine..hes more willing and concerned for your happines,peace, and joy, than you could ever be for yourself.he knows all the gifts that you want for your self,snd desires even  more for you.serve him with all your heart.trust him with all your life.not only does he know everything about you he knows everything about your future without him ., theres no future for you.
newbie
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January 07, 2018, 01:18:44 AM
if you have a religion of the heart will feel calm and peaceful. because, your soul closer to the Almighty god. this is causing yourself to be healthy both physically and mentally. thank you...
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January 07, 2018, 12:47:24 AM
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November 30, 2017, 10:16:26 PM
I was never any good at sports. Wny not? Because I always felt sorry for the opposite team when they were losing. And, of course, since I didn't want my team to lose, I decided not to be in sports.

You guys go fight with Astargath. I feel too sorry for him because he is losing all the time, and much of the time doesn't even realize it.

 Grin

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Because Christianity is a religion of faith, many Bible scholars say we should avoid proving any of it.

By entering the movements of the stars and planets into a computer, NASA has found that the lost day of Joshua in Joshua 10:13, and the shorter period of time in 2 Kings 20:9–11 that were supposed to be discrepancies in the movements of the stars and planets.

One site is https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/arguments-to-avoid/nasa-found-joshuas-missing-day/.

Science is starting to prove that the Bible is accurate.''


Yea badecker, we can all see how you are winning by posting a link that says ''arguments to avoid'' which is exactly the argument you are using, I don't even need to prove you wrong, you prove yourself wrong hahaha.



You don't even get it, do you? One time I play your game, and you jump right on it in attack. Keep it up, Dufus. You attack yourself way more than you could ever think to attack me. And you don't even realize it.

Cool

Ye ye, just admit that you fucked up badly and move on, you are only making yourself look even more pathetic. I will still post the link whenever you say something about science to show everyone how you do your ''research''
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November 30, 2017, 01:27:20 PM
Actually, because my faith in God isn't perfect in this life, I DO have a touch of atheism. In similar ways you have much faith in God, even though you try to deny it. It is inherent in both of us.

Turn, now, while you have the chance, to strengthen the little faith in God that you DO have... so that you can be saved in the resurrection

Just like participating in a religion might make one's faith grow, not participating in one make it weaker. That's my experience at least.

I didn't have much faith to begin with, but when I stopped attending church entirely, it just vanished. And I don't miss it one bit.
I don't know why you're having the really negative view on the religion, religion is leading us , the human , to the better living way not strong or weak side.
legendary
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November 30, 2017, 01:20:57 PM
I was never any good at sports. Wny not? Because I always felt sorry for the opposite team when they were losing. And, of course, since I didn't want my team to lose, I decided not to be in sports.

You guys go fight with Astargath. I feel too sorry for him because he is losing all the time, and much of the time doesn't even realize it.

 Grin

''
Because Christianity is a religion of faith, many Bible scholars say we should avoid proving any of it.

By entering the movements of the stars and planets into a computer, NASA has found that the lost day of Joshua in Joshua 10:13, and the shorter period of time in 2 Kings 20:9–11 that were supposed to be discrepancies in the movements of the stars and planets.

One site is https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/arguments-to-avoid/nasa-found-joshuas-missing-day/.

Science is starting to prove that the Bible is accurate.''


Yea badecker, we can all see how you are winning by posting a link that says ''arguments to avoid'' which is exactly the argument you are using, I don't even need to prove you wrong, you prove yourself wrong hahaha.



You don't even get it, do you? One time I play your game, and you jump right on it in attack. Keep it up, Dufus. You attack yourself way more than you could ever think to attack me. And you don't even realize it.

Cool
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fly or die
November 30, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
Actually, because my faith in God isn't perfect in this life, I DO have a touch of atheism. In similar ways you have much faith in God, even though you try to deny it. It is inherent in both of us.

Turn, now, while you have the chance, to strengthen the little faith in God that you DO have... so that you can be saved in the resurrection

Just like participating in a religion might make one's faith grow, not participating in one make it weaker. That's my experience at least.

I didn't have much faith to begin with, but when I stopped attending church entirely, it just vanished. And I don't miss it one bit.
hero member
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November 30, 2017, 11:34:51 AM
I was never any good at sports. Wny not? Because I always felt sorry for the opposite team when they were losing. And, of course, since I didn't want my team to lose, I decided not to be in sports.

You guys go fight with Astargath. I feel too sorry for him because he is losing all the time, and much of the time doesn't even realize it.

 Grin

''
Because Christianity is a religion of faith, many Bible scholars say we should avoid proving any of it.

By entering the movements of the stars and planets into a computer, NASA has found that the lost day of Joshua in Joshua 10:13, and the shorter period of time in 2 Kings 20:9–11 that were supposed to be discrepancies in the movements of the stars and planets.

One site is https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/arguments-to-avoid/nasa-found-joshuas-missing-day/.

Science is starting to prove that the Bible is accurate.''


Yea badecker, we can all see how you are winning by posting a link that says ''arguments to avoid'' which is exactly the argument you are using, I don't even need to prove you wrong, you prove yourself wrong hahaha.

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