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Topic: here's just how screwed ASIC buyers are - READ THIS if you have a preorder - page 7. (Read 23350 times)

hero member
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In cryptography we trust
A roi of 1 year with a difficulty x15 of what it's right now, and the hope of receiving my hardware soon.

These 2 alone are not enough, what made me really change idea is that I really think the bitcoin economy to grow of several orders of magnitude in the future. I will mine to keep, not mine to sell.

It's a bet.

Fair enough. I guess the odds are better than playing the lottery.

I sincerely wish you good luck.
legendary
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A roi of 1 year with a difficulty x15 of what it's right now, and the hope of receiving my hardware soon.

These 2 alone are not enough, what made me really change idea is that I really think the bitcoin economy to grow of several orders of magnitude in the future. I will mine to keep, not mine to sell.

It's a bet.
hero member
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In cryptography we trust
Given the posts I made on this thread, I find it fair to disclose that I ended up investing a fair amount into ASIC.
Lets see what happens.

What made you change your mind?
legendary
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Given the posts I made on this thread, I find it fair to disclose that I ended up investing a fair amount into ASIC.
Lets see what happens.
hero member
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bitcoin hodler
Yep, you are all screwed. Everyone cancel your orders so I can make a lot of money.

Thanks  Grin

+1 Smiley
sr. member
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yeah, .NET wouldn't be idea for the driver operations  Cheesy Although they obviously use DirectX lol.  But yeah, it's the freaking interface!  To just show a window on a screen to millions of customers, they picked the least likely to work method and then don't even include the framework installer itself in the driver or a downloader for it!  That's like a $100,000 company mistake not a $1 billion+ company mistake.
Cough. Oracle. Cough.

Nobody is immune from bad installer decisions, larger companies just have more inertia, and tend to get stuck longer.

C'mon haven't you people ever worked for a real company?

As a lead developer you provide a project plan to do the project right.

As a mid level manager you find ways to shave time and dollars off of the project plan.

Developers complain "but it will suck"

They give the installer task to the intern who is sucking the mid level managers cock. She can't code but she works late and produces poor quality rubber band and duct tape shit spaghetti code  quickly.

The boss's boss gives the boss a bonus for coming in under budget.

Neither the boss, nor the boss's boss will ever (EVER) actually look at the software.

The support team deals with the fallout and hates the developers for being so lazy.

It's how it works.. When you've been doing this for 22 years like I have you just roll with it. You don't get upset when projects you put your life and soul into get tossed in the trash because of the color of a button (but we can change that!) just so some manager can get credit for having produced a revolutionary new software product. You become jaded, you've already written everything ever so you become a cut and paste programmer while reading news on the web and running your bitcoin side business from your relatively high paid senior developer job.

All is right in the world...



Exactly, what manager is going to defend that feature azhead of their bonus? If you really want the feature to stay in, they have to really want it too.

Software never makes it to ideal, someone always releases it...
legendary
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

You need a unique reference to run a business, the customer needs that reference as well. The best they could do is obfuscate it (with double SHA2?) or something, but why would makers of web-store software even care about that in a general case? Outside this fishbowl community attempting to decode order numbers is generally a futile exercise, so why expend the effort on the feature?

Yes, you do. But the rowid of the database is not the way to do it. A better way is to choose an arbitrarily large number space, choose a number from it randomly and check for uniqueness. There are other methods too. At the least, they should not be easily guessable.

Unfortunately in SOME form of the business system there will need to be an orderly ascending unique identifier for each transcation. Typically this is done at the invoice # level where each new invoice is +1 above the previous, regardless or how/what/why. This is needed for auditing purposes.

That said.. for a sales order #, there is likely a lot more freedom with that, but i would imagine it would still need SOME kind of rhyme or reason vs just being totally random.

Given that the first site I checked, Newegg appears to have such a system for their order numbers, I'll concede this (not sure what their invoice numbers are doing though). Thinking back, when I worked on an e-commerce site back in the late 90s, we used an increasing-by-1 system but just started with an arbitrarily large number.
legendary
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k
It's how it works.. When you've been doing this for 22 years like I have you just roll with it. You don't get upset when projects you put your life and soul into get tossed in the trash because of the color of a button (but we can change that!) just so some manager can get credit for having produced a revolutionary new software product. You become jaded, you've already written everything ever so you become a cut and paste programmer while reading news on the web and running your bitcoin side business from your relatively high paid senior developer job.



Someone's hacked into my autobiography...
sr. member
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But at my company, we have 1 programmer: me Cheesy So all the code works flawlessly and I don't have to deal with incompetent morons that are in programming for the money instead of due to their intelligence level.

During college I had to work on a huge car rental program and my partners in my group were a guy that was dropping out the next semester and a 55 year old lady being retrained by her work.  It got a score above 100% because I wrote 90% of it plus the bonus extra hard part Cheesy
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yeah, .NET wouldn't be idea for the driver operations  Cheesy Although they obviously use DirectX lol.  But yeah, it's the freaking interface!  To just show a window on a screen to millions of customers, they picked the least likely to work method and then don't even include the framework installer itself in the driver or a downloader for it!  That's like a $100,000 company mistake not a $1 billion+ company mistake.
Cough. Oracle. Cough.

Nobody is immune from bad installer decisions, larger companies just have more inertia, and tend to get stuck longer.

C'mon haven't you people ever worked for a real company?

As a lead developer you provide a project plan to do the project right.

As a mid level manager you find ways to shave time and dollars off of the project plan.

Developers complain "but it will suck"

They give the installer task to the intern who is sucking the mid level managers cock. She can't code but she works late and produces poor quality rubber band and duct tape shit spaghetti code  quickly.

The boss's boss gives the boss a bonus for coming in under budget.

Neither the boss, nor the boss's boss will ever (EVER) actually look at the software.

The support team deals with the fallout and hates the developers for being so lazy.

It's how it works.. When you've been doing this for 22 years like I have you just roll with it. You don't get upset when projects you put your life and soul into get tossed in the trash because of the color of a button (but we can change that!) just so some manager can get credit for having produced a revolutionary new software product. You become jaded, you've already written everything ever so you become a cut and paste programmer while reading news on the web and running your bitcoin side business from your relatively high paid senior developer job.

All is right in the world...

legendary
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Beyond Imagination
The fact is:

Even BTC price drop to 1$, there are plenty of people waiting there to pick all of them up
Even difficulty drop to very low, there are plenty of people waiting there to mine more coins

Since all of them know that the total amount of BTC is limited
hero member
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You need a unique reference to run a business, the customer needs that reference as well. The best they could do is obfuscate it (with double SHA2?) or something, but why would makers of web-store software even care about that in a general case? Outside this fishbowl community attempting to decode order numbers is generally a futile exercise, so why expend the effort on the feature?

Yes, you do. But the rowid of the database is not the way to do it. A better way is to choose an arbitrarily large number space, choose a number from it randomly and check for uniqueness. There are other methods too. At the least, they should not be easily guessable.

Unfortunately in SOME form of the business system there will need to be an orderly ascending unique identifier for each transcation. Typically this is done at the invoice # level where each new invoice is +1 above the previous, regardless or how/what/why. This is needed for auditing purposes.

That said.. for a sales order #, there is likely a lot more freedom with that, but i would imagine it would still need SOME kind of rhyme or reason vs just being totally random.
sr. member
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Uhhhh maybe you should read BFL's shipping policy before saying that Tongue I had assumed everyone reading this post had done that but that does not appear to be the case  Cheesy Grin

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Because of the potential for massive disruption that our ASIC units may cause to the mining ecosystem, we are instituting a 1/3 shipping method for our first shipment of products to individuals.  So that no single person or handful of people are able to gain a material advantage over any other, we will ship all our available units at the same time to as many customers as we can.  This means we will likely delay shipping on our first units until we have accumulated enough stock to satisfy a significant portion of our initial orders.  This ensures that as many people as possible who are early adopters are equally and fairly treated when receiving our product. To that end we will be shipping our first orders as such: 1/3 of each product line (Jalapeno, Single SC and Minirig SC) will be shipping to new orders, 1/3 to upgrade orders and the final 1/3 will be shipped to a random selection of orders from the first two categories (both upgrade and new customers)  received in the first month of orders (From 23 June 2012 to 22 July 2012).


That unfortunately results in an almost 100% chance that you won't get 100% of your order during the initial shipment and also that if you didn't place an order before July 2012, you're definitely not getting 100% of your order (if you ordered more than 1)
legendary
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I'm expecting a 20-30x difficulty rating, no meaningful increase in BTC/USD price, a halving of the block reward, and a ROI of around 6-8 months... Agree that people expecting to get all their $$$ back in a week are crazy but over the long term the BFL power consumption means it will continue to be paying for itself well into 2013.

Will
The people expecting to get all their $$$ back in a week are the ones that had preorders in on the first day, and will (likely) be receiving the first ASICs out.  And those people very likely will have a 100% ROI in around a week, provided the BTC price doesn't take a sudden dive.

I'll let you know.  Wink
legendary
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

You need a unique reference to run a business, the customer needs that reference as well. The best they could do is obfuscate it (with double SHA2?) or something, but why would makers of web-store software even care about that in a general case? Outside this fishbowl community attempting to decode order numbers is generally a futile exercise, so why expend the effort on the feature?

Yes, you do. But the rowid of the database is not the way to do it. A better way is to choose an arbitrarily large number space, choose a number from it randomly and check for uniqueness. There are other methods too. At the least, they should not be easily guessable.
sr. member
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If you go through the order process and never fwd the bitcoins or payment the order number still goes up by 1.

Ohhhh, they should clean that up, lol.


The customer should never see the order# (or at least the row number in the database). They understood this even back before computers were in common use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem

You need a unique reference to run a business, the customer needs that reference as well. The best they could do is obfuscate it (with double SHA2?) or something, but why would makers of web-store software even care about that in a general case? Outside this fishbowl community attempting to decode order numbers is generally a futile exercise, so why expend the effort on the feature?
legendary
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In 6-12 months those ASIC devices will be replaced with better equipment.
During that time they will not lower their Price and here is why.

Reason 1. Have a product to offer that is better then your competitor makes you money.
Reason 2. During the time of development they will have to fund that research.
Reason 3. If you lower the price of the devices your existing customers bottom line will be effected.

Solution 1. Reveal a 2nd generation device before your competitor.
Solution 2. If it makes business sense offer full value trade-in on  first gen pre-order devices.
Solution 3. If you happen to lower your prices. Offer trade-in options will less credit towards 2nd generation pre-order devices.

IMHO To have a successful business and or project you should adopt a policy that will never burn your bridges with your customers.... Ever...

Succinctly put and overall quite right.
I actually remember a quote from one of my business classes later in college, and it comes from Sam Walton: "There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else."
In other words, keep your customers happy and they'll keep coming back to you. BFL had some trouble with this to start, but given they have a fair amount of competition this time around I don't see why they wouldn't want to make us happy. Otherwise I'll go buy from bASIC Tongue

Oh, and:
The customer should never see the order# (or at least the row number in the database). They understood this even back before computers were in common use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem

LOL yay for vastly overestimating quantities!
sr. member
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yeah, .NET wouldn't be idea for the driver operations  Cheesy Although they obviously use DirectX lol.  But yeah, it's the freaking interface!  To just show a window on a screen to millions of customers, they picked the least likely to work method and then don't even include the framework installer itself in the driver or a downloader for it!  That's like a $100,000 company mistake not a $1 billion+ company mistake.
Cough. Oracle. Cough.

Nobody is immune from bad installer decisions, larger companies just have more inertia, and tend to get stuck longer.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
yeah, .NET wouldn't be idea for the driver operations  Cheesy Although they obviously use DirectX lol.  But yeah, it's the freaking interface!  To just show a window on a screen to millions of customers, they picked the least likely to work method and then don't even include the framework installer itself in the driver or a downloader for it!  That's like a $100,000 company mistake not a $1 billion+ company mistake.
legendary
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The money vs performance ratio is better because their drivers suck and nobody would buy their products if they were even with Nvidia.  Did you ever notice if you install their driver on XP, it will load then reboot then tell you it relies on the .NET 2.0 framework and can't load anything in the driver's GUI without it?  Why would they write such big name software from such a wealthy company in freaking .NET?!  I'm a .NET programmer and I even think that was a stupid choice.

Then you've got crashes, crashes, and more crashes in any game that's been newly released followed by the game manufacturers advising you to turn off XXXX if you have an AMD card.  Nvidia doesn't seem to ever have that problem.  Then you've got shadows and lighting drawing incorrectly in 1 game and when they fix it, they break 5 other games.

I also couldn't possibly care any less about Linux support Tongue

I think that they use .net for something different than the core drivers.

Most probably the GUI of the AMD control center or something like that.

It would make sense to me.

Np at all with drivers my side, i must be lucky.
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