Topic: Hey Theymos, There Should Be a Demotion Button - page 2. (Read 1322 times)

Let's make it more fun: 2 received deMerit gives you 1 sdeMerit (sendable deMerit)


No, I'm not serious. Let's not do this

Can you imagine the complains to demerit sources? 

I wouldn't want to be the black green sheep if I had airdropped merits. It's confusing and doesn't provide any important insights anyways. If you want to check if a user has airdropped merits, you can just check bpip. If that's not enough, then we can perhaps introduce a "merit airdropped" field in profile page.

The entire issue is a non-issue. Nobody has ever had a problem with distinguishing airdropped merit users, and even they have had, it is a harmless statistic anyway.

What do you mean by "your kind"? Lucius has more than enough Merit to stand after removing all airdropped Merits.

It brings me to another thought though: what if all users without airdropped Merit get a different username color? Let's say green instead of blue. That makes it a lot easier to differentiate between airdropped and earned Merit. If this gets implemented, users with airdropped Merit should get the option to remove those and turn green.

You are just confirming that what I wrote is very likely true, and that you are using your alt accounts to try to influence the opinion of others to advocate a new merit system in which people like you with xx alt accounts would take away merits from everyone who got them honestly.

If you have knowledge that I or anyone else has abused the merit system in any way, be a man and open a topic in which you will present your evidence. As for signature campaigns, I have been on the forum for almost 10 years, and those who know me a little better know that I have been in such campaigns for more than 3 years without spending a single satoshi.

Unlike worthless parasites like you who abuse the forum with who knows how many alt accounts, I only have one and I'm not here just to earn something - I have enough money to live a comfortable life.

You skipped past the question, maybe you will answer it this time. Look at the following account:

~OddJobsForBitcoin
~Newchanka
~Michael63
~Cyberczar

What are your opinions regarding what the correct form of action should be for the following accounts (including your OP account) if a demotion or similar button were to be implemented. If you admit to having any other accounts I will add them to the list therefore do you have any other accounts?

This is pathetic. Your kind is actually one of the reasons why the demotion button should be implemented. So anyone that supports the idea is automatically my alt? Folks like you who live for signature campaigns think the world revolves around posting rubbish without thinking them through. The more you try to sount smart makes you come across as bland. And low-witted individuals like you see it as worthy of merit? I sure admit having perhaps a dozen accounts because the first time I encountered BTT, it was a Google ad showing someone selling Legendary accounts so I thought it's a place to do such. The fact remains that I attempted to sell just one account before I realized that a better way of making money off the forum is through services. I've since earned close to or more than $20,000. And that with only a single participation in signature campaign but mainly through services I render here and on Reddit. Those of you who are idle enough to go through a persons posting history can run through my alts that you know to understand if this is true or false. I have also built businesses that I focus on and so, the many account I set up earlier are of no consequence at the moment. Anyway, your low quality of reasoning as an old member is the reason why such a button is necessary.

As for me, i don't see the rate of these as much as we have it in newbies, most of the high rank individuals are not depreciating in knowledge for any reason, forget it, what you know you have known it, you may only choose not to go up with the current trends but the information's and knowledge there are permanently in you, go and check most of the legendary ranks account, you will discover how some of them have tirelessly worked hard in the past, there's no doubt that sometimes we feels relaxed in the way we contribute before to how we do now, but i think the merit system is also a justification on that, whereby you cant expect someone who is not active or posting quality posts to be receiving merits and incase you sighted on one, you can make an example on reputation board for others to see what's going on on merits abuse.

I won't go into the usefulness and complexity of implementing something like this, but it would be a big mistake to enable such features only for certain members. We already have many complaints and discussions that the DT system is unfair because it seems as if certain users are privileged. That would only bring more unnecessary drama.
The current trust system is not perfect, but it is functional for the most part, although some users continue with their behaviour regardless. Demerit or demotion will certainly not affect such.

Well I don't think anything has changed here because as I know too well if you are looking through merits system then I must say that you are getting it twisted. I think this same suggestions you brought made theymos to implement the merits system and since then till now the forum has been more better and cleaner since it takes time to rank up, ranking up shows how competent you are except for those who already ranked up before the merits system was introduced and if you carefully look on some of the legendary you may ref as they hardly received merits this is to show that they aren't making any progress.

I also want to use this medium to appreciate some reputable members who has been active reporting some post that are not worth it to the mod, and to make the whole thing simple Bitcointalk forum is a place that allows everyone to do whatever they want, and we can't expect everyone to be professional on everything they do or let say that is why here is open for learning and to impact on people who aren't that educated in the crypto space, so, expect low quality and high quality post from anyone and one thing you must know is that people makes quality post to the areas they knows more better than the section they knows Little.

OP, what you're advocating had been suggested before in certain quarters and comments but I'm afraid that isn't looking like what theymos will want to grant, bearing in mind that he brought the merit system to curtail things of similar nature.

That's an apt response to what OP is advocating. It's the same thing when we expect that every elderly people is endowed with wisdom. No, it doesn't work that way. People get wiser by native intelligence bestowed on them or by drawing their knowledge from the experiences of others.

If you don't like it, don't read it. What problems. No one is forcing you to read them. The forum is full of good posts. Anyone can find them if they want.

Nonsense can be found among legendary members even from the new era merit system.

For this to stop being a problem, it’s time for you to lower your expectations that every legendary post is a masterpiece of a writer’s thought. Legendary is not an indicator (mandatory) of having great knowledge and awareness, it is just a rank. Here merits are an indirect (and subjective) sign that separates good posters from bad ones.

Ok, who's going to hit the rank down button? You? This (miracle button) has wide potential for abuse, giving power over forum users.

By the way, the merit system was just introduced to combat (eliminate and reduce) shit posting. Isn't this enough for you?
 
Instead of complaining about other people's bad posts and asking them to take action on them, should you focus on your personal achievements? In the 5 years of your account's existence, you have not risen above the member rank.

What significant contribution have you made to the BTC-community?

Before you start discussing others, maybe you should ask yourself some questions?

This is a controversial proposal that should be considered and discussed before being introduced.

To improve the rating system, a merit system was introduced, which does some of what you describe.

The envy against the high rank members is getting out of hand and this very post is nothing different. The merit system was introduced to curtail some of the things you mentioned in your post and so far it's serving that purpose despite its somehow being abused by some individuals in some ways. In every system, the early and loyal fans always enjoy the benefit of being part of the community from the first beginning and that is exactly what the forum did to her members when the merit system was introduced. Ever since the airdrop merits, some people find it hard to earn merits by themselves and you can easily identify such users by checking their profile and merit stats using BPIP. You'll know those who are genuinely contributing with useful posts and those who benefited from the system.

Now, the questions are these; are spam and shit posts being merit? No! Did Forum provide ignore button that allows you to ignore spammers or troll? Yes! Then what else do you need demotion button for? Perhaps you have a sinister against legendaries by advocating for this call. The forum already has enough features in place including temp ban and perm ban for erring accounts and this very one you are asking is to help people to carryout their grudges on one another to extra level.

Very soon now, I will create a post and ask thymos to issue certificate to all legendaries that will guarantee them work anywhere since everyone is claiming to come up with idea to make Forum a better place.  

I believe that this is just another in a series of alt accounts that the OP has, and it is really funny that he thinks that he is smarter than everyone else when he thinks that such naive tactics can help him in his plan. Now that he has completely exposed himself, I believe that his idea is to take revenge on some members with his alt account farm - but he has two very big problems - the first is to convince the admin to make a change in the merit system, and the second is how to we all pretend we don't know what he's doing.

Cool idea! That gives me the power to turn you back into a Newbie 3-5 times I hope you see where this is going to fail

Just imagine an attack by sDemotion / sDemerit farmers... what this forum would turn into...

The trust system already works very well, I think it would be a waste of time and energy to have to worry about it any more. Those who are here on the forum every day already have the ability to distinguish who the good members are... Nothing else is needed

Demotion/demerit is a good way to encourage groupthink and punish dissenting opinions, so I don't like it. If you feel you read spam posts, hit the report button. No need to demote/demerit.
Plus, with so much drama on the reputation board, this feature most likely will be used for personal vendetta. It will also be more chaotic if the receiver can see who sent him the demote/demerit, and then expect retaliation. The current merit system is much better since it promotes positive attitudes, meanwhile, negative attitudes will be punished via report and moderation.

I think it's a good idea. I would support the idea if it worked somewhat in the way of adding 1 "dmerit" per 3-5 earned merits.

I made a poll about in support. I think this could really change the community for the better.

URL to poll. All credits given.

I mean I understand the intent of OP, and while I don't want myself to get demoted or whatever, the thing is that there's a massive case to be made here. A lot of our Senior and Hero Members are falling short in terms of the quality of their posts, not to mention some of them even resorting to AI generation so they could get away with the effort that they're supposed to put in for their posts. A demotion feature is a good-to-have deterrent to give people a clear reason to keep the quality of their posts on check. But is it really necessary? I don't think so. The banning system of this forum is robust enough on its own to act as its personal deterrent against spamming and other nefarious activities, signature campaigns and campaign managers set clear goals and guidelines to push people to keep on creating posts that are well thought-out and not trashy, and it's got a good track record of banning legendaries who grew to abuse their powers and freedom of expression here as well.

Matter of fact, the demotion button can be abused by butthurt retards who got an ass-clapping opinion rebuttal from higher-ranked members, or maybe even by trolls who just wanted to rile people up and hurt them, as what happened with the Trust System in the past. So yeah, what would've acted as a way to incentivize quality posting, could very well be used by clowns for their own good.

In short you are not happy with the merit system. Many were not when it was first introduced in 2018. Since then there were members who was in its favour and was against it but it has been 6 years now. Time goes fast!

For your account the unhappiness makes completely valid sense. 5 years and you are still a Member. Either you do not give time to the forum or you do not make good enough posts to get attention from others. You need to change yourself first if you want to see a change for your account. It's not the merit system that needs to be changed.

If such an option existed, then an individual user should not have the possibility to demerit someone alone, but a member could be demerited only if there are more than, say, 5 DT users who would use such an opportunity on a certain post. Even if we go so far that someone manages to abuse it, the final decision could be made by admin and global moderators.

A similar system exists on the other forum in the form of something called karma, where it is possible to give positive and negative karma for an individual post, but their admin is very strict about any abuse of that option, so I think that few dare to abuse it.