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I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further.

it is really difficult (technically impossible) even for a whale to be profitable in such a situation because the dealer (the casino) always has an advantage that is a small percentage.
and above all, on casino games, it is mathematical that the more you play the more you lose ... the statistics say so.
https://knowyourluck.com/roulette.html example with roulette, and this applies with all games (the in-famous RTP).

Then maybe someone wants have the pleasure of playing a "big hit" like that, but I don't think they do it for "earning" ...

House edge,Fees,RTP's or any other related to this thing would be always the main reason on why we do really lose in long run and we know that house do always wins even how big you would really be getting at on some

betting hits and its true that not all would really be going after about earning specially for whales.For sure most of them or majority are aware on how HE works but well its their money after all whether on what

intent that they do have in mind then its up to theirs whether they would really be playing on that kind of behavior or not.

their money, their rules! as simple as that. but i can agree that when you happen to play like for example in crash, and you will see someone putting up like $20k, and lost. just wow! wondering what they are feeling in those few seconds, and realised they lost that amount in one snap. but guess what, we'll never know if we are not that person. some can spend huge amount without battling an eye. but for most of us here, it is like our ticket to survival for the next few months.

It is true that for almost any person losing 20k in an instant would be an extremely traumatic experience, but at the same time the majority of the high rollers can afford something like that.

Basically they have so much money that losing 20k is not only not going to affect their lifestyle at all but they are not going to lose any sleep over such loss either, so we cannot judge their reactions using our standards as they are completely different and their approach to how they manage their money is different as well.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 27, 2022, 10:33:42 PM

Well, the life of a player is very different from what is sought and what others believe, I know that the life of a player is more one of loss than of gains, what happens is that players do not take losses much into account, what they always focus on is the profits and their successes, in part this is sometimes compared to trading, there are whales that always lose, but when a general balance is made, the whales usually recover their money quickly, in trading It is like that, but when an analogy is made between bets, I think that it is very likely to lose than to win, but to this we must add the emotion that the players feel, the adrenaline and many times this is enough for them to accept the losses.

I think you are generally correct, but I would qualify: it is not that high rollers get their money back faster, trading or otherwise. It is that they are two levels of money.

Regular gamblers, who are not problem gamblers, know that in the long run you lose more than you win, but they benefit from the gains. If they lose, it's okay, because it's money they can afford. But if they win, they have extra money for enjoyment. The difference with the high rollers is that they have more money, and therefore they bet more heavily, just like they go to more expensive places for dinner or drive more expensive cars.

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Chances are that in the net of his gambling life he has lost more money than that jackpot, which indicates that he is most likely a person with a lot of money. I have a friend who works in a casino and he says that regular high rollers sometimes win big jackpots but consistently lose a lot of money. The long term net is loss, no matter how impressive big jackpots like this one might be.

This is without a doubt the truth, the only way this player would be ahead of the casino and has earned more money than what they have lost will be if they got this win early on during their gambling journey, however even if that is the case as long as that player keeps gambling then sooner or later they will lose that money.

So the only realistic way in which this player could remain ahead and earn more money than what he lost is that he stops gambling immediately and never does it again, something very unlikely as it would be very difficult to get those kind of profits without loving to gamble

One of the biggest eye openers for me with these high rollers was watching that Louis Theroux episode created quite a few years ago, which followed a some high rollers as they played in Las Vegas. There was an old lady who had a fortune from a very successful prior business who spent her retirement living right next to the strip and would fritter away thousands per day on slot machines as a simple amusement. Then there was a wealthy businessman who would fly in, be treated like royalty but fritter away hundred dollar bills incessantly into the slot machines but got a buzz off winning a few thousand back - every penny he made was tracked by the casino and calculated into the perks he got, but you know the casino made a healthy profit from each of his trips. It's well worth digging out and watching that documentary if you haven't seen it.

Well, the life of a player is very different from what is sought and what others believe, I know that the life of a player is more one of loss than of gains, what happens is that players do not take losses much into account, what they always focus on is the profits and their successes, in part this is sometimes compared to trading, there are whales that always lose, but when a general balance is made, the whales usually recover their money quickly, in trading It is like that, but when an analogy is made between bets, I think that it is very likely to lose than to win, but to this we must add the emotion that the players feel, the adrenaline and many times this is enough for them to accept the losses.

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I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further.

it is really difficult (technically impossible) even for a whale to be profitable in such a situation because the dealer (the casino) always has an advantage that is a small percentage.
and above all, on casino games, it is mathematical that the more you play the more you lose ... the statistics say so.
https://knowyourluck.com/roulette.html example with roulette, and this applies with all games (the in-famous RTP).

Then maybe someone wants have the pleasure of playing a "big hit" like that, but I don't think they do it for "earning" ...

Gamblers need to be aware that even if we can gamble for fun the games are designed to give an advantage to the casino, not only they have probabilities on their side but every single aspect surrounding the games is geared towards giving them an advantage.

One example of this is that at many physical casinos you will be offered a few free drinks if you are winning, at the surface this may seem as a simple courtesy, but it is known that people lose part of their cognitive abilities the more they drink so they are more prone to make mistakes, obviously such a tactic is not possible in an online casino but it is a strategy widely used by casinos to increase their chances of beating players which are obtaining profits at that moment.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on April 25, 2022, 05:09:09 PM

their money, their rules! as simple as that. but i can agree that when you happen to play like for example in crash, and you will see someone putting up like $20k, and lost. just wow! wondering what they are feeling in those few seconds, and realised they lost that amount in one snap. but guess what, we'll never know if we are not that person. some can spend huge amount without battling an eye. but for most of us here, it is like our ticket to survival for the next few months.

I think something like this also happens to us "common mortals".
when we are young we may place bets with ridiculous amounts (let's say the cost of a beer), then when we grow up thanks to the salary and a whole series of situations as adults we are able to place bets significantly higher (even entire months of salary in a single shot)...that's amount could be "high rollers" for another gambler!
I appreciate the thrill of the bet regardless of the amount played...
It is like when I buy a piece for my collection, "spending a lot" may not necessarily be proportional to the emotion you feel ...

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I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further.

it is really difficult (technically impossible) even for a whale to be profitable in such a situation because the dealer (the casino) always has an advantage that is a small percentage.
and above all, on casino games, it is mathematical that the more you play the more you lose ... the statistics say so.
https://knowyourluck.com/roulette.html example with roulette, and this applies with all games (the in-famous RTP).

Then maybe someone wants have the pleasure of playing a "big hit" like that, but I don't think they do it for "earning" ...

House edge,Fees,RTP's or any other related to this thing would be always the main reason on why we do really lose in long run and we know that house do always wins even how big you would really be getting at on some

betting hits and its true that not all would really be going after about earning specially for whales.For sure most of them or majority are aware on how HE works but well its their money after all whether on what

intent that they do have in mind then its up to theirs whether they would really be playing on that kind of behavior or not.

their money, their rules! as simple as that. but i can agree that when you happen to play like for example in crash, and you will see someone putting up like $20k, and lost. just wow! wondering what they are feeling in those few seconds, and realised they lost that amount in one snap. but guess what, we'll never know if we are not that person. some can spend huge amount without battling an eye. but for most of us here, it is like our ticket to survival for the next few months.

Financial situation or state does really differ on each person.Some could afford that and some couldnt and some spending is something realistic and some is just too dumb or too much for them to make.

Lets just accept that reality that we are really that envious for sometimes whenever we do see big bets like this and would like to feel on how it do looks like on having that kind of betting behavior.

It might not be that practical for some but there are people who could really afford it.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on April 25, 2022, 05:09:09 PM

their money, their rules! as simple as that. but i can agree that when you happen to play like for example in crash, and you will see someone putting up like $20k, and lost. just wow! wondering what they are feeling in those few seconds, and realised they lost that amount in one snap. but guess what, we'll never know if we are not that person. some can spend huge amount without battling an eye. but for most of us here, it is like our ticket to survival for the next few months.

The user have got money, and that's why he's spending. Whether it is being over within a second or it ended up after few rolls isn't a matter for such high rollers. We can't keep us in that place, because for we dollars to spend we'll be thinking several times. With the mentioned $20k one can lead the life for the next two years in a third world country and with the bet amount mentioned in the OP, one can have a good living for a generation.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 09, 2022, 06:27:04 PM

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Quite surprised to see consecutive high roller of above 20BTC on a single wager. Have any of you come across such big wagers in real-time. Came across this while spending time watching the high rollers on the bets tab. Have anyone came across such big bets, and I don't whether this player have managed to make a win or not. Shocked

I have also seen several times that there are players who have extraordinary big high rollers on Gamdom, 1xbit and stake.com

I was a little surprised at first but I'm quite used to seeing it but until now I'm still thinking, whether those who have high rollers are whales, because the owner of the rollers above 5 btc in one spin is definitely a rich gambler who no longer thinks about money for daily needs LOL

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Quote from: bitbollo on April 25, 2022, 03:46:55 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on April 25, 2022, 01:45:46 AM

I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further.

it is really difficult (technically impossible) even for a whale to be profitable in such a situation because the dealer (the casino) always has an advantage that is a small percentage.
and above all, on casino games, it is mathematical that the more you play the more you lose ... the statistics say so.
https://knowyourluck.com/roulette.html example with roulette, and this applies with all games (the in-famous RTP).

Then maybe someone wants have the pleasure of playing a "big hit" like that, but I don't think they do it for "earning" ...

House edge,Fees,RTP's or any other related to this thing would be always the main reason on why we do really lose in long run and we know that house do always wins even how big you would really be getting at on some

betting hits and its true that not all would really be going after about earning specially for whales.For sure most of them or majority are aware on how HE works but well its their money after all whether on what

intent that they do have in mind then its up to theirs whether they would really be playing on that kind of behavior or not.

their money, their rules! as simple as that. but i can agree that when you happen to play like for example in crash, and you will see someone putting up like $20k, and lost. just wow! wondering what they are feeling in those few seconds, and realised they lost that amount in one snap. but guess what, we'll never know if we are not that person. some can spend huge amount without battling an eye. but for most of us here, it is like our ticket to survival for the next few months.

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Quote from: bitbollo on April 25, 2022, 03:46:55 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on April 25, 2022, 01:45:46 AM

I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further.

it is really difficult (technically impossible) even for a whale to be profitable in such a situation because the dealer (the casino) always has an advantage that is a small percentage.
and above all, on casino games, it is mathematical that the more you play the more you lose ... the statistics say so.
https://knowyourluck.com/roulette.html example with roulette, and this applies with all games (the in-famous RTP).

Then maybe someone wants have the pleasure of playing a "big hit" like that, but I don't think they do it for "earning" ...

House edge,Fees,RTP's or any other related to this thing would be always the main reason on why we do really lose in long run and we know that house do always wins even how big you would really be getting at on some

betting hits and its true that not all would really be going after about earning specially for whales.For sure most of them or majority are aware on how HE works but well its their money after all whether on what

intent that they do have in mind then its up to theirs whether they would really be playing on that kind of behavior or not.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 15, 2022, 05:36:17 PM

Whether it is high rollers or the small wagers, every gambler will have pain. Maybe the one we've seen here looks like a whale, but we don't know what is his situation now. If he's on the winning streak then sure he'll be enjoying and if not his mind will be thinking of making a mistake of trying to recover back what is being lost on consecutive bets.

Now this has turned to be a hobby to watch the bets. Today came across this hidden person who has been wagering around $1500 for a long and a smaller bet with a big multiplier came out of the same game. If his losses were compensated with the win then he's a big winner.

being able to hit such a jackpot is objectively a rare event ...
who knows how much he will have played before being able to win this amount Roll Eyes

... at least in this case there is a happy ending...

High rollers that I saw in some dice platforms were already drowned in losses before they hit the jackpot. Heck, some of them won those jackpot but are still in the reds due to a lot of prior losses. It might seem like it's a happy ending, but in reality for most of the high rollers, it's just another day in the office winning big because they also risked big.

But I do share the sentiment. What does it feel like to win big anyway? Grin

The last time I won something significant is from ages ago.

I guess it always the case, if you take big risk, the rewards will be even bigger too. But surely it will be very painful once you lose such a huge amount. What makes me fear of about being a high roller is that winnings only rare to happen, but losses happen most often. But as they say, you will never experience the peak of being a gambler if you never dare to be a high roller once in your life. This maybe the reason why we are seeing some high rollers in some legal gambling sites.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on April 25, 2022, 01:45:46 AM

I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further.

it is really difficult (technically impossible) even for a whale to be profitable in such a situation because the dealer (the casino) always has an advantage that is a small percentage.
and above all, on casino games, it is mathematical that the more you play the more you lose ... the statistics say so.
https://knowyourluck.com/roulette.html example with roulette, and this applies with all games (the in-famous RTP).

Then maybe someone wants have the pleasure of playing a "big hit" like that, but I don't think they do it for "earning" ...

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Quote from: Vaskiy on April 25, 2022, 01:45:46 AM

This can be for fun, and I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further. There is more chances of these whales to be in profit. Op should've watched little more time, if so we could've known whether he won further or took break.

They have planned it before they put those huge bets. But there's a possibility that they've just bet it due to their emotion tickling them and they're triggered.
That's very possible but for most of them, they're planning their actions and their wagers. And as they bet with such amounts, it's either they've won that amount in the past or they have it on their stash but is willing to lose.

I don't think that was a mistake or a wrong bet but I assume this will be a planned bet, and this might involve the site owner.
I'm not going to think they just fool us, especially for small players but this seems not usual daily. Either these gamblers will lose in the game but the money still goes back to their pocket, like how whales do in trading. They are making a profit rather than making themselves losses.

If they were a whale, it wouldn't be a mistake to place large bets because a whale had a very large balance. Maybe what we see is a small part of their total balance and they are still placing bets on other games. But a whale can also bet using his emotions because he sees other gamblers placing large bets. What is clear, a whale is ready for all the risks that will occur later, including if he has to lose bets in one type of gambling game. It just so happened that he could see someone placing such a large bet because we very rarely see such a big bet.

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Quote from: blockman on April 25, 2022, 02:30:35 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on April 25, 2022, 01:45:46 AM

This can be for fun, and I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further. There is more chances of these whales to be in profit. Op should've watched little more time, if so we could've known whether he won further or took break.

They have planned it before they put those huge bets. But there's a possibility that they've just bet it due to their emotion tickling them and they're triggered.
That's very possible but for most of them, they're planning their actions and their wagers. And as they bet with such amounts, it's either they've won that amount in the past or they have it on their stash but is willing to lose.

I don't think that was a mistake or a wrong bet but I assume this will be a planned bet, and this might involve the site owner.
I'm not going to think they just fool us, especially for small players but this seems not usual daily. Either these gamblers will lose in the game but the money still goes back to their pocket, like how whales do in trading. They are making a profit rather than making themselves losses.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on April 25, 2022, 01:45:46 AM

This can be for fun, and I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further. There is more chances of these whales to be in profit. Op should've watched little more time, if so we could've known whether he won further or took break.

They have planned it before they put those huge bets. But there's a possibility that they've just bet it due to their emotion tickling them and they're triggered.
That's very possible but for most of them, they're planning their actions and their wagers. And as they bet with such amounts, it's either they've won that amount in the past or they have it on their stash but is willing to lose.

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I wonder why the big whales are so low key. Don't they like to get famous. MAy be one of the reasons is they don't waste much time on scrolling the phone all the time like us - rather they focus. more on getting the earn and investing money. I being a middle class person can not even think to make such a huge bet.

The reason might be that the Big whales wouldn't even care much about the money they would spend on gambling, don't want to be famous that's a classic reason , they just wanted to have fun with the money they deserved to spend, indeed they wouldn't be interested in bonuses or anything but not all. I thought the big whales would only play if they can do it, gambling for them was not a job, but that's also not all whales are like that, sometimes they also have to focus in different directions including gambling and they also need a win. Such a huge bet for an adrenaline loving big whale.

This can be for fun, and I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further. There is more chances of these whales to be in profit. Op should've watched little more time, if so we could've known whether he won further or took break.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 24, 2022, 05:01:41 PM

The only thing i have in my mind is that these high rollers have no way to fear from losing maybe because they also had huge wins from their past bets, or they are used being high rollers knowing once they got lucky, they become instant millionaires. Gambling is a game more of luck than skills, so i guess once they bet for huge amounts, they also prepare theirselves from losing such a big amount.

I know some high rollers and they are people who manage a lot of money, who have businesses, and for whom betting 0.025 BTC is like betting 0.00025 BTC for you. I don't know if there will be some who are not so rich and bet those amounts, on credit or otherwise, but I don't think they will last long, as it is inevitable that at some point they will hit a losing streak, and if they don't have money from their business or wealth to replenish they won't be able to keep playing at those levels.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on April 09, 2022, 06:49:16 PM

There are always certain high rollers active. Then it is to be hoped for those players that they have some luck. The amounts that I see on the images here are quite high. There are also people who might easily miss that money, who have become millionaires by investing in cryptocurrencies, for example. I have often read that Stake is played with large amounts of money. That means in any case that it is possible to bet with large amounts at Stake.

There are possible high rollers not only at Stake, but even to some casino sites. The only thing i have in my mind is that these high rollers have no way to fear from losing maybe because they also had huge wins from their past bets, or they are used being high rollers knowing once they got lucky, they become instant millionaires. Gambling is a game more of luck than skills, so i guess once they bet for huge amounts, they also prepare theirselves from losing such a big amount.

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Quote from: Theones on April 23, 2022, 06:47:48 PM

I wonder why the big whales are so low key. Don't they like to get famous. MAy be one of the reasons is they don't waste much time on scrolling the phone all the time like us - rather they focus. more on getting the earn and investing money. I being a middle class person can not even think to make such a huge bet.

The reason might be that the Big whales wouldn't even care much about the money they would spend on gambling, don't want to be famous that's a classic reason , they just wanted to have fun with the money they deserved to spend, indeed they wouldn't be interested in bonuses or anything but not all. I thought the big whales would only play if they can do it, gambling for them was not a job, but that's also not all whales are like that, sometimes they also have to focus in different directions including gambling and they also need a win. Such a huge bet for an adrenaline loving big whale.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 22, 2022, 06:51:34 PM

Is such kind of sophistication being provided for the high rollers. That is something unbelievable, because if someone is inviting for a cool stay and spend his money on wager, then it is pure sign of inviting to use the funds and get away. Everytime these gamblers can't be lucky.

"get away seems" inappropriate, for a legit casinos but that can be appropriate for those who are scams. They literally can get away with your money and it doesn't matter if it's huge or small but they will take any amounts. That's how greedy scammers are. That kind of offer said above is not unbelievable.

I already saw some legit casinos offer that and even better than that but those are only available for the max out vip levels though there are still benefits for the lower vip levels but they are only limited to rakebacks and bonuses. There is no need to gamble huge, if your only goal is to travel and stay in a casino because you can always afford it and they will cost more cheaper.

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