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high rollers have an obvious advantage is in getting bonuses that depend on the amount of funds wagered

This equates to slightly nicer odds given to largest bettors so they do have a little advantage from that. Also when you do have alot of money or bet within your own budget then you are more comfortable and more likely to win as you give yourself time and space to do so. It doesnt have to be a case of outright advantage for the biggest stack but I think the smallest players require more caution, composition and planning to not exceed their limits.

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It is true that for almost any person losing 20k in an instant would be an extremely traumatic experience, but at the same time the majority of the high rollers can afford something like that.

Basically they have so much money that losing 20k is not only not going to affect their lifestyle at all but they are not going to lose any sleep over such loss either, so we cannot judge their reactions using our standards as they are completely different and their approach to how they manage their money is different as well.

Someone who is wealthy and has a million in his bank account might have found it a fun experience and had some fun with that 20k. However, there are also players who have 21k in the bank account and then gamble all 21 completely. Then you are also a high roller, but I think it will remain a one-off adventure. High rollers gambling profitably seem surreal to me or they are inconspicuous. Then you could still do good business with high stakes poker.

Without a doubt that is something that also happens and you do not even need to be an addicted gambler for this to happen to you, as simply one day you lose control of your emotions and you use all the capital you have available to gamble and then lose it all.

It is because of this that we should only have a small amount of money in the casino at any given time, so if we were to lose our self-control for a small period of time the losses that we could accumulate will be on the low side.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 07, 2022, 07:13:14 AM

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I wouldn't call it an advantage because it's a relative measure. After all, when we increase the rate, we increase our risks. All of us have an equal chance in the casino and most of us will lose our money one way or another. And if someone manages to win a good amount of money he is unlikely to be able to do it again.

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To be honest, before drawing such conclusions, I would like to see some statistics that either confirm or refute this. Personally, it seems to me that high rollers usually play games where there is some illusion of control over the outcome of the competition - for example, betting on sports events. The bookmaker's edge is no less than the house edge (and often even higher) but there is an illusion that your analysis can be stronger than the bookmaker's analysis and that you have a chance to beat him.

Trying out to compare sports betting to games which are fully relying on luck then this is something that has some notable difference when it comes to odds or chances of winning.

High rollers would be always be having the edge or advantage since they do have bigger positions that they could set off but of course the risk is high too considering on the potential
amounts that they could lose.

On every gambling site there would be always these high rollers or whale players which just seeing on the way they do bet then it could really give out that
kind of feeling that you are really that poor. Cheesy

I don't think so. From a mathematical point of view, the advantage of the player/casino does not change in any way from the amount of funds available, it is always constant. The only thing high rollers have an obvious advantage is in getting bonuses that depend on the amount of funds wagered - a regular player has no chance to beat them because his bets are too small.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 06, 2022, 05:50:53 AM

Yes, that's always there that we want to grow those little bankrolls that we have. What I am saying is that there are moments that we're good to gamble and it's just for fun.
The amount won't be that significant and we're good to lose it if the unlucky moment comes. What's happening very few times and that's what we're up to if we think that the day isn't with us and we are about to stop for that particular moment and day.

Under certain conditions we want to increase the bet high because the ambition to win is high but we are already aware of the risk of losing a high value, so not everything becomes serious in gambling games and sometimes bad decisions become jackpots but of course only the influence of the luck factor.

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Quote from: dunfida on May 05, 2022, 06:45:32 PM

Depends on someones aims or motives because there are small amount gamblers who do really wishes to make their capital becomes big or even to hit up jackpots or big multipliers or something which do really falls out

into the category on aiming for profits and not really for the fun that they do really seek off.It all matters on someones perception or treatment towards gambling whether they do play for fun or simple for making money.HIgh rollers are normal because it would really exist on every casino which there are players who do really spend up money likes there's no tomorrow behind.

Do you mean there are also small time gamblers that only plays for fun and not for the profit. One example of it can be me because I only spend a dollar or two per week and I don't expect to win to be honest. I just enjoyed the moment I spend on the casino that I am playing with.

The ambiance of the site is so relaxing and they have friendly people. It can be the same as staying on a hotel where you pay for their service and games are just a bonus. If you are not fortunate to have a good wealth then gambling is not a solution for that to make more money but there can be other things that you can do to earn more income but is less risky.

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Quote from: dunfida on May 05, 2022, 06:45:32 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 05, 2022, 04:31:29 PM

Yes, for small gamblers, we don't intend to gamble for fun at most times. We aim to win and take the profit with us whenever we're winning with those bets.
Sometimes, we do it for fun but you know that you're going to do it with a very little amount that you're not going to mind whether you win with it or lose it.

Depends on someones aims or motives because there are small amount gamblers who do really wishes to make their capital becomes big or even to hit up jackpots or big multipliers or something which do really falls out

into the category on aiming for profits and not really for the fun that they do really seek off.It all matters on someones perception or treatment towards gambling whether they do play for fun or simple for making money.HIgh rollers are normal because it would really exist on every casino which there are players who do really spend up money likes there's no tomorrow behind.

Yes, that's always there that we want to grow those little bankrolls that we have. What I am saying is that there are moments that we're good to gamble and it's just for fun.
The amount won't be that significant and we're good to lose it if the unlucky moment comes. What's happening very few times and that's what we're up to if we think that the day isn't with us and we are about to stop for that particular moment and day.

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Quote from: dunfida on May 05, 2022, 06:45:32 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 05, 2022, 04:31:29 PM

Yes, for small gamblers, we don't intend to gamble for fun at most times. We aim to win and take the profit with us whenever we're winning with those bets.
Sometimes, we do it for fun but you know that you're going to do it with a very little amount that you're not going to mind whether you win with it or lose it.

Depends on someones aims or motives because there are small amount gamblers who do really wishes to make their capital becomes big or even to hit up jackpots or big multipliers or something which do really falls out

into the category on aiming for profits and not really for the fun that they do really seek off.It all matters on someones perception or treatment towards gambling whether they do play for fun or simple for making money.HIgh rollers are normal because it would really exist on every casino which there are players who do really spend up money likes there's no tomorrow behind.

I think small gamblers can also win huge sums of money because as we know luck can come to every gambler, no matter if he is a big or small gambler. But if the gambler's goal is to hit the jackpot or a big multiplier or more, then he needs to rethink that it won't be easy.

Actually, we don't need to chase profit because what we want in playing gambling is the pleasure of playing the many games available on gambling sites. If we have got the pleasure, we should immediately leave or quit the game.

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If you put a huge bet on a certain game regardless if you are a big whale or not, i believe everything is already set on a plan. No one would be fool enough to play just for fun considering your betting a huge amount. Losing will still be painful if it happens. So most likely, high rollers have their own plans prior to that, and winning from huge bets will certainly bring more fortune on part of those high rollers.

If it's a huge bet, only those gamblers that really have a high amount on their bankroll can play around for fun with that. But if you're a very casual gambler and only bets huge if you think that you definitely have a higher chance to win or you're just doing it for the last time as a yolo bet, you wouldn't do it for fun. There's the case that you bet a huge amount when you just want to get rid of your losses and recover them back as quickly as you can.

A gambler who often gambles and spends big money is likely to continue to spend big money because they have a lot of money to spend at the gambling table. They also understand the risk of losing that money at the gambling table and therefore, they are willing to use big money to gamble. But that doesn't apply to small gamblers like us because it hurts when we lose $10-$50. We never use big money to bet because we also understand the risk of losing money, which can happen at any time. It's better to have fun with money we can afford to lose than to take risks we can't accept.

Yes, for small gamblers, we don't intend to gamble for fun at most times. We aim to win and take the profit with us whenever we're winning with those bets.
Sometimes, we do it for fun but you know that you're going to do it with a very little amount that you're not going to mind whether you win with it or lose it.

Depends on someones aims or motives because there are small amount gamblers who do really wishes to make their capital becomes big or even to hit up jackpots or big multipliers or something which do really falls out

into the category on aiming for profits and not really for the fun that they do really seek off.It all matters on someones perception or treatment towards gambling whether they do play for fun or simple for making money.HIgh rollers are normal because it would really exist on every casino which there are players who do really spend up money likes there's no tomorrow behind.

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Quote from: michellee on May 04, 2022, 10:49:32 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 04, 2022, 06:46:15 PM

Quote from: Viscore on May 02, 2022, 05:44:43 PM

If you put a huge bet on a certain game regardless if you are a big whale or not, i believe everything is already set on a plan. No one would be fool enough to play just for fun considering your betting a huge amount. Losing will still be painful if it happens. So most likely, high rollers have their own plans prior to that, and winning from huge bets will certainly bring more fortune on part of those high rollers.

If it's a huge bet, only those gamblers that really have a high amount on their bankroll can play around for fun with that. But if you're a very casual gambler and only bets huge if you think that you definitely have a higher chance to win or you're just doing it for the last time as a yolo bet, you wouldn't do it for fun. There's the case that you bet a huge amount when you just want to get rid of your losses and recover them back as quickly as you can.

A gambler who often gambles and spends big money is likely to continue to spend big money because they have a lot of money to spend at the gambling table. They also understand the risk of losing that money at the gambling table and therefore, they are willing to use big money to gamble. But that doesn't apply to small gamblers like us because it hurts when we lose $10-$50. We never use big money to bet because we also understand the risk of losing money, which can happen at any time. It's better to have fun with money we can afford to lose than to take risks we can't accept.

Yes, for small gamblers, we don't intend to gamble for fun at most times. We aim to win and take the profit with us whenever we're winning with those bets.
Sometimes, we do it for fun but you know that you're going to do it with a very little amount that you're not going to mind whether you win with it or lose it.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 04, 2022, 06:46:15 PM

Quote from: Viscore on May 02, 2022, 05:44:43 PM

If you put a huge bet on a certain game regardless if you are a big whale or not, i believe everything is already set on a plan. No one would be fool enough to play just for fun considering your betting a huge amount. Losing will still be painful if it happens. So most likely, high rollers have their own plans prior to that, and winning from huge bets will certainly bring more fortune on part of those high rollers.

If it's a huge bet, only those gamblers that really have a high amount on their bankroll can play around for fun with that. But if you're a very casual gambler and only bets huge if you think that you definitely have a higher chance to win or you're just doing it for the last time as a yolo bet, you wouldn't do it for fun. There's the case that you bet a huge amount when you just want to get rid of your losses and recover them back as quickly as you can.

A gambler who often gambles and spends big money is likely to continue to spend big money because they have a lot of money to spend at the gambling table. They also understand the risk of losing that money at the gambling table and therefore, they are willing to use big money to gamble. But that doesn't apply to small gamblers like us because it hurts when we lose $10-$50. We never use big money to bet because we also understand the risk of losing money, which can happen at any time. It's better to have fun with money we can afford to lose than to take risks we can't accept.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 02, 2022, 05:44:43 PM

If you put a huge bet on a certain game regardless if you are a big whale or not, i believe everything is already set on a plan. No one would be fool enough to play just for fun considering your betting a huge amount. Losing will still be painful if it happens. So most likely, high rollers have their own plans prior to that, and winning from huge bets will certainly bring more fortune on part of those high rollers.

If it's a huge bet, only those gamblers that really have a high amount on their bankroll can play around for fun with that. But if you're a very casual gambler and only bets huge if you think that you definitely have a higher chance to win or you're just doing it for the last time as a yolo bet, you wouldn't do it for fun. There's the case that you bet a huge amount when you just want to get rid of your losses and recover them back as quickly as you can.

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The problem for those who have millions in their account and want to enjoy (adrenaline) from gambling is that in order to get this adrenaline they have to bet sensitive amounts. Just as you won't worry about a one cent bet, they won't worry about a bet that seems huge to us. Therefore, it can be said that if high rollers decide to enjoy gambling, they risk amounts that are sensitive to them.

There is a certain tendency for the great apostators, in the threads of some casinos I have realized that those players who have millionaire profits bet only in slots, I think that they have in their mind that the slots are the best option to earn large amounts of money . When we play Poker or Black Jack, even any game like Crash, the profits are somewhat predictive, unless you play in Crash betting a 5x, 10x and yes, it is likely to win, but it is the only way.

In the slots there are many options, suddenly a 6x comes out or a combination is made and then a 6x is made then the profits are very large, even with little balance you can give great profits, and if a player bets $3k, $4K , the profits are millionaire, I think they are based on those characteristics to be able to play and win.

To be honest, before drawing such conclusions, I would like to see some statistics that either confirm or refute this. Personally, it seems to me that high rollers usually play games where there is some illusion of control over the outcome of the competition - for example, betting on sports events. The bookmaker's edge is no less than the house edge (and often even higher) but there is an illusion that your analysis can be stronger than the bookmaker's analysis and that you have a chance to beat him.

Trying out to compare sports betting to games which are fully relying on luck then this is something that has some notable difference when it comes to odds or chances of winning.

High rollers would be always be having the edge or advantage since they do have bigger positions that they could set off but of course the risk is high too considering on the potential
amounts that they could lose.

On every gambling site there would be always these high rollers or whale players which just seeing on the way they do bet then it could really give out that
kind of feeling that you are really that poor. Cheesy

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 02, 2022, 03:00:15 PM

The problem for those who have millions in their account and want to enjoy (adrenaline) from gambling is that in order to get this adrenaline they have to bet sensitive amounts. Just as you won't worry about a one cent bet, they won't worry about a bet that seems huge to us. Therefore, it can be said that if high rollers decide to enjoy gambling, they risk amounts that are sensitive to them.

There is a certain tendency for the great apostators, in the threads of some casinos I have realized that those players who have millionaire profits bet only in slots, I think that they have in their mind that the slots are the best option to earn large amounts of money . When we play Poker or Black Jack, even any game like Crash, the profits are somewhat predictive, unless you play in Crash betting a 5x, 10x and yes, it is likely to win, but it is the only way.

In the slots there are many options, suddenly a 6x comes out or a combination is made and then a 6x is made then the profits are very large, even with little balance you can give great profits, and if a player bets $3k, $4K , the profits are millionaire, I think they are based on those characteristics to be able to play and win.

To be honest, before drawing such conclusions, I would like to see some statistics that either confirm or refute this. Personally, it seems to me that high rollers usually play games where there is some illusion of control over the outcome of the competition - for example, betting on sports events. The bookmaker's edge is no less than the house edge (and often even higher) but there is an illusion that your analysis can be stronger than the bookmaker's analysis and that you have a chance to beat him.

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This can be for fun, and I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further. There is more chances of these whales to be in profit. Op should've watched little more time, if so we could've known whether he won further or took break.

They have planned it before they put those huge bets. But there's a possibility that they've just bet it due to their emotion tickling them and they're triggered.
That's very possible but for most of them, they're planning their actions and their wagers. And as they bet with such amounts, it's either they've won that amount in the past or they have it on their stash but is willing to lose.

If you put a huge bet on a certain game regardless if you are a big whale or not, i believe everything is already set on a plan. No one would be fool enough to play just for fun considering your betting a huge amount. Losing will still be painful if it happens. So most likely, high rollers have their own plans prior to that, and winning from huge bets will certainly bring more fortune on part of those high rollers.

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Someone who is wealthy and has a million in his bank account might have found it a fun experience and had some fun with that 20k. However, there are also players who have 21k in the bank account and then gamble all 21 completely. Then you are also a high roller, but I think it will remain a one-off adventure. High rollers gambling profitably seem surreal to me or they are inconspicuous. Then you could still do good business with high stakes poker.

The problem for those who have millions in their account and want to enjoy (adrenaline) from gambling is that in order to get this adrenaline they have to bet sensitive amounts. Just as you won't worry about a one cent bet, they won't worry about a bet that seems huge to us. Therefore, it can be said that if high rollers decide to enjoy gambling, they risk amounts that are sensitive to them.

There is a certain tendency for the great apostators, in the threads of some casinos I have realized that those players who have millionaire profits bet only in slots, I think that they have in their mind that the slots are the best option to earn large amounts of money . When we play Poker or Black Jack, even any game like Crash, the profits are somewhat predictive, unless you play in Crash betting a 5x, 10x and yes, it is likely to win, but it is the only way.

In the slots there are many options, suddenly a 6x comes out or a combination is made and then a 6x is made then the profits are very large, even with little balance you can give great profits, and if a player bets $3k, $4K , the profits are millionaire, I think they are based on those characteristics to be able to play and win.

It is called variance, the more you play the higher variance you will be able to test depending on return to player ratio. In house games like crash, dice, Plinko, limbo the target is chosen by a player while in slots bonus round can go insane like 300kx or just 10x depending on your luck. We don't have control over slot RTP so streamers keep playing with huge amounts thanks to a generous marketing budget funding their addiction. Surely we can't afford such high bet amounts but almost same multipliers can be found on our gameplay during slot sessions.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on May 02, 2022, 02:12:00 PM

Someone who is wealthy and has a million in his bank account might have found it a fun experience and had some fun with that 20k. However, there are also players who have 21k in the bank account and then gamble all 21 completely. Then you are also a high roller, but I think it will remain a one-off adventure. High rollers gambling profitably seem surreal to me or they are inconspicuous. Then you could still do good business with high stakes poker.

The problem for those who have millions in their account and want to enjoy (adrenaline) from gambling is that in order to get this adrenaline they have to bet sensitive amounts. Just as you won't worry about a one cent bet, they won't worry about a bet that seems huge to us. Therefore, it can be said that if high rollers decide to enjoy gambling, they risk amounts that are sensitive to them.

There is a certain tendency for the great apostators, in the threads of some casinos I have realized that those players who have millionaire profits bet only in slots, I think that they have in their mind that the slots are the best option to earn large amounts of money . When we play Poker or Black Jack, even any game like Crash, the profits are somewhat predictive, unless you play in Crash betting a 5x, 10x and yes, it is likely to win, but it is the only way.

In the slots there are many options, suddenly a 6x comes out or a combination is made and then a 6x is made then the profits are very large, even with little balance you can give great profits, and if a player bets $3k, $4K , the profits are millionaire, I think they are based on those characteristics to be able to play and win.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on May 02, 2022, 02:12:00 PM

Someone who is wealthy and has a million in his bank account might have found it a fun experience and had some fun with that 20k. However, there are also players who have 21k in the bank account and then gamble all 21 completely. Then you are also a high roller, but I think it will remain a one-off adventure. High rollers gambling profitably seem surreal to me or they are inconspicuous. Then you could still do good business with high stakes poker.

The problem for those who have millions in their account and want to enjoy (adrenaline) from gambling is that in order to get this adrenaline they have to bet sensitive amounts. Just as you won't worry about a one cent bet, they won't worry about a bet that seems huge to us. Therefore, it can be said that if high rollers decide to enjoy gambling, they risk amounts that are sensitive to them.

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They have planned it before they put those huge bets. But there's a possibility that they've just bet it due to their emotion tickling them and they're triggered.
That's very possible but for most of them, they're planning their actions and their wagers. And as they bet with such amounts, it's either they've won that amount in the past or they have it on their stash but is willing to lose.

I don't think that was a mistake or a wrong bet but I assume this will be a planned bet, and this might involve the site owner.
I'm not going to think they just fool us, especially for small players but this seems not usual daily. Either these gamblers will lose in the game but the money still goes back to their pocket, like how whales do in trading. They are making a profit rather than making themselves losses.

It's for us to decide on what we think with them. Everything to think of and these possibilities can happen.
But we don't know what's the actual thing behind it and I just have to think and believe of what I think so that there's no pressure on it and just only need to think about the huge bets that they've placed.

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I believe these whale gamblers are in profit even after wagering with such big amounts. Without profit whether it is a whale or someone who doesn't care about money will rethink whether to wager with such big amounts further.

it is really difficult (technically impossible) even for a whale to be profitable in such a situation because the dealer (the casino) always has an advantage that is a small percentage.
and above all, on casino games, it is mathematical that the more you play the more you lose ... the statistics say so.
https://knowyourluck.com/roulette.html example with roulette, and this applies with all games (the in-famous RTP).

Then maybe someone wants have the pleasure of playing a "big hit" like that, but I don't think they do it for "earning" ...

House edge,Fees,RTP's or any other related to this thing would be always the main reason on why we do really lose in long run and we know that house do always wins even how big you would really be getting at on some

betting hits and its true that not all would really be going after about earning specially for whales.For sure most of them or majority are aware on how HE works but well its their money after all whether on what

intent that they do have in mind then its up to theirs whether they would really be playing on that kind of behavior or not.

their money, their rules! as simple as that. but i can agree that when you happen to play like for example in crash, and you will see someone putting up like $20k, and lost. just wow! wondering what they are feeling in those few seconds, and realised they lost that amount in one snap. but guess what, we'll never know if we are not that person. some can spend huge amount without battling an eye. but for most of us here, it is like our ticket to survival for the next few months.

It is true that for almost any person losing 20k in an instant would be an extremely traumatic experience, but at the same time the majority of the high rollers can afford something like that.

Basically they have so much money that losing 20k is not only not going to affect their lifestyle at all but they are not going to lose any sleep over such loss either, so we cannot judge their reactions using our standards as they are completely different and their approach to how they manage their money is different as well.

Someone who is wealthy and has a million in his bank account might have found it a fun experience and had some fun with that 20k. However, there are also players who have 21k in the bank account and then gamble all 21 completely. Then you are also a high roller, but I think it will remain a one-off adventure. High rollers gambling profitably seem surreal to me or they are inconspicuous. Then you could still do good business with high stakes poker.

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