Hit And Run Gambling - Can The House Be Beaten This way? - page 2.

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Quote from: nullama on January 30, 2023, 05:04:07 PM

Quote from: Accardo on January 30, 2023, 10:41:34 AM

Isn't spending the money betting on casino better than lodging in a hotel and going for music concerts with the money? What's the probability that the business will thrive to making the person more money. Gambling is everything in life, buying a bottle of wine is like gambling, the difference is that gambling sometimes pays us back for having fun. You'll see people happy for having the best weekend vacation, and sad for losing $100 in gambling. What's the difference? Gambling is not a place to secure fast money, once a person starts seeing gambling as OP suggest, they may end up being frustrated by the house. Because the house knows what they're doing. So, running away with the profits makes no difference, nothing stops the person from starting a business while gamble at same time with few bucks to test the waters of luck.

The difference is that no matter how crazy you party, there's no way you can spend the same amount of money in a normal holiday compared to going to a casino and gambling.

You can literally lose all your savings in a single night at the casino.

It doesn't matter if you book the most expensive hotel, drink the most expensive alcohol, and get the most expensive meal, all of that will be cheaper than an all out night at the casino.

There's no such thing as unlimited funds even how millionaire or billionaire you are which its true that when you do go into a casino then you could literally lost everything considering on how things been doing on

these places which betting up even your own house or own car could really happen.This is why its better to be wary in regarding into your actions towards gambling.
You should know on how to stop when you are in profits and you should know on when to quit when you are in losing streaks.

You shouldnt really be that too impulsive towards gambling and never make those funds or winnings lost up again into the house.

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Quote from: Accardo on January 30, 2023, 10:41:34 AM

Isn't spending the money betting on casino better than lodging in a hotel and going for music concerts with the money? What's the probability that the business will thrive to making the person more money. Gambling is everything in life, buying a bottle of wine is like gambling, the difference is that gambling sometimes pays us back for having fun. You'll see people happy for having the best weekend vacation, and sad for losing $100 in gambling. What's the difference? Gambling is not a place to secure fast money, once a person starts seeing gambling as OP suggest, they may end up being frustrated by the house. Because the house knows what they're doing. So, running away with the profits makes no difference, nothing stops the person from starting a business while gamble at same time with few bucks to test the waters of luck.

The difference is that no matter how crazy you party, there's no way you can spend the same amount of money in a normal holiday compared to going to a casino and gambling.

You can literally lose all your savings in a single night at the casino.

It doesn't matter if you book the most expensive hotel, drink the most expensive alcohol, and get the most expensive meal, all of that will be cheaper than an all out night at the casino.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 28, 2023, 02:23:59 PM

Hi gamblers, it's a simple question I want to ask...

Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

Secondly, imagine that on your first day of gambling, you gambled $200 and in the process, won money running into hundreds of thousands of dollars, you withdraw the money and start up your own business, and never returned to gambling again, isn't this one way to beat the house?

My answer is simple: Don't use strategy if you want to beat the house, that's why the newbies usually win when they start gambling of a game they have no idea about. Once you get used to certain games, rules and so on, you start to build strategies to beat the house and that's where the mistake is made. Then, again our mind tells us to do martingale and it's a dead point.
By the way, if you or anyone could beat the house, then casinos wouldn't exist. If anyone would ever be capable to beat it, would be top-notch mathematicians but failed too cause they can't break the rule of math, one plus one will always remain two.

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Isn't spending the money betting on casino better than lodging in a hotel and going for music concerts with the money? What's the probability that the business will thrive to making the person more money. Gambling is everything in life, buying a bottle of wine is like gambling, the difference is that gambling sometimes pays us back for having fun. You'll see people happy for having the best weekend vacation, and sad for losing $100 in gambling. What's the difference? Gambling is not a place to secure fast money, once a person starts seeing gambling as OP suggest, they may end up being frustrated by the house. Because the house knows what they're doing. So, running away with the profits makes no difference, nothing stops the person from starting a business while gamble at same time with few bucks to test the waters of luck.

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On the first scenario, id say no and for me I think it's only safe to say that the house or the casino has been beaten when they stop operating due to bankruptcy cause by the players winning a lot. So, it means you shouldn't only be the one who must win but all or majority of the players too.

On the second scenario, I think this was only the same as the first but you only add a reason on what did that gambler do next after quitting playing on a casino however I do like this initiative. This must be the thing that a gambler must do after winning a lot. That is to use the money on something valuable and it doesn't really matter if they are a new gambler or not.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 28, 2023, 02:23:59 PM

Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..

The two scenarios you mentioned beat the house, although both have happened and done so, to my judgment and knowledge, if someone who has been involved in gambling, rarely do I find and see gamblers who do things like that, what I often find is that they go on and on and keep getting involved in gambling until they are actually beaten by the dealer/house.

The fact is, where I often see someone winning at a certain gambling site, they take all their winning money for the purpose of not visiting the casino again for certain reasons, but in reality they still visit other brands of casinos, for another reason they can produce even more wins, instead they end up with real losses, whether it's greed or something else, the fact is that the house is still number one in winning.

But what your mentioned, I don't mind this, maybe you could say the ratio is 100/1, if there is, let's say it exists and it's real, but I don't see my friends or I personally succeed in doing that.

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Quote from: Yatsan on January 30, 2023, 09:04:03 AM

Another question I guess is, what if you lose on your first try, what will you do then? It seems like winning is an easy thing to do as being pointed out in this topic

Keep gambling until he make money, even he need to use all of his money in banks and taking a loan Cheesy

sooner or later he will become an addict after doing this.

There's no such always win in the first try and it doesn't mean you will always lose when you use your profit to gamble, after all it depends on how much you have gamble, how much you earn the return and how good is your luck.

Usually the first winning is small and it's a peanut for the casino, so there's nothing to worry for the casino to pay the small winning, there's always a high roller will keep gambling.

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Quote from: Bitinity on January 30, 2023, 08:17:22 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 28, 2023, 02:23:59 PM

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

The question is, will it stop here? I mean, I may not return to the casino where I win big in my first try, but I may come to other casinos in order to try to get the same experience. It will be useless if I can leave from one site but continue gambling in other sites. If I can stop it 100% without moving to other casinos, I would not say that I've beaten the house but I've beaten myself. If I can do such thing means that I can control myself for a better thing.

Another question I guess is, what if you lose on your first try, what will you do then? It seems like winning is an easy thing to do as being pointed out in this topic, unfortunately, it is not. Also, when is the right time to stop and move then? I agree. There would be that drive to continue as long as you are winning given how hard it is to come up with such result. Or what if you move and it happened that your winnings turned into loss? Gambling is not an easy activity. Winning is never certain and losing is almost part of the game. Also, a house won't be beaten just because you won on their platform; just imagine how many players are losing and also, no matter if you won or not, a gambling house will have its part.

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I think the statement that the house always wins in gambling was said because of the commission. I always thought that was the meaning of this sentence. Because casinos sell us a service and they get a commission for that service... Still, I think there are ways to beat them. If we manage to control our emotions a little and luck is on our side, of course we can beat them. I don't think this is impossible, but it's not easy either. That's why we should always make careful moves without losing control.

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If you think you must make money from the casino and then you will leave the casino completely is a way to win against the casino, you're just partially correct.

It's true when you win big amount and never gamble again, you will earn that's money. But do you really leave the casino completely? or you will migrate to the other casino including the fresh new created one? I believe when you win big amount, your funds will be confiscated since you fall on scam casino. Gambling on new casino is really risky and the chance you make money is quite low.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 28, 2023, 02:23:59 PM

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

The question is, will it stop here? I mean, I may not return to the casino where I win big in my first try, but I may come to other casinos in order to try to get the same experience. It will be useless if I can leave from one site but continue gambling in other sites. If I can stop it 100% without moving to other casinos, I would not say that I've beaten the house but I've beaten myself. If I can do such thing means that I can control myself for a better thing.

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There's no extent to which being lucky can't come through, some atimes comes the way we never expected, to a surprising part of it, we get winnings sometimes on ganes we never expect coming or give less attention to, those that fall on this kind of categories are the occasional gamblers that only gambles ones a while, they may never expect it coming because they only gamble for the purpose of creating fun for themselves when less busy and were not the desperate kind of gamblers always after winning, i don't expect such gambler to hit a jackpot and never run and find something tangible to invest with the money, because if he continues gambling steady he may never be given such another opportunity again while he's loosing the money already back into gambling on a bid to win again.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 30, 2023, 04:56:54 AM

Hit and Run tactics wont beat casinos. If someone thinks, that, for example, he can deposit, get a welcome bonus, play few 1.0x bets to meet wagering requirement and withdraw, and beat casino with, then he is wrong. With that, you can harm casinos profit for few hundreds, but there will always be on your place 5-10 other gamblers that loose. The casino will get its profit in different place. Casino and gamblers is like hydras head - you kill one head, two new appear. If there would be a way to beat casinos, there wont have them new opened every week.

As long as there are other players with that casinos, you can't just beat them.
Leaving the casinos right away after getting some profit or the bonuses is good but doesn't mean you beat the system because you might be tempted doing this with the other site and your luck might not be the same again. There's no way to beat the house, they always have the edge against the players and we have to accept that fact.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 28, 2023, 02:23:59 PM

Hi gamblers, it's a simple question I want to ask...

Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

Secondly, imagine that on your first day of gambling, you gambled $200 and in the process, won money running into hundreds of thousands of dollars, you withdraw the money and start up your own business, and never returned to gambling again, isn't this one way to beat the house?

There's a bit more chance of you losing all than wining a large amount. And no sane person would place all they got on the first bet of their life. If they won, that would be once in a life event if they left gambling completely but once people win, they'll be addicted to the thrill of wining.
It's hypothetically a possible scenario but you won't be beating the house as the house would have edge on overall bets and not depend on just one user. And in order to prevent such rare but possible circumstances, casinos have a high limit on bet and or win.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 28, 2023, 02:23:59 PM

Hi gamblers, it's a simple question I want to ask...

Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

Secondly, imagine that on your first day of gambling, you gambled $200 and in the process, won money running into hundreds of thousands of dollars, you withdraw the money and start up your own business, and never returned to gambling again, isn't this one way to beat the house?

That way you'll beat the casino, but you are not the only client, so the reality still stays that casinos always won, which means overall. You might think of that now but if you are in a real situation, once you start winning, you will think that you are really good and you can easily make money in gambling.

Honestly, it's hard to stay disciplined in gambling following your goal, as a gambler, you will always try to gamble and win, and will not stop until you are satisfied, question is, how much winning would satisfy us?

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 28, 2023, 02:23:59 PM

Hi gamblers, it's a simple question I want to ask...

Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

Secondly, imagine that on your first day of gambling, you gambled $200 and in the process, won money running into hundreds of thousands of dollars, you withdraw the money and start up your own business, and never returned to gambling again, isn't this one way to beat the house?

Ok so what happens if the situation is the other way around? If you go to a casino, played and lost your money. Do you leave and never come back? In that case, would you consider that also winning?

I do not think that planning on being lucky once and then leaving forever is any better than staying and gambling and hoping on staying lucky to keep on winning but if you have already won, then yes, taking the money and leaving would definitely leave you a winner with a profit.

I just do not think its possible to plan for luck, so the situation is hypothetical.

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Quote from: nullama on January 30, 2023, 05:50:08 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on January 30, 2023, 04:56:54 AM

Hit and Run tactics wont beat casinos. If someone thinks, that, for example, he can deposit, get a welcome bonus, play few 1.0x bets to meet wagering requirement and withdraw, and beat casino with, then he is wrong. With that, you can harm casinos profit for few hundreds, but there will always be on your place 5-10 other gamblers that loose. The casino will get its profit in different place. Casino and gamblers is like hydras head - you kill one head, two new appear. If there would be a way to beat casinos, there wont have them new opened every week.

Some people actually manage to win against the casinos.

For example, David Walsh

Of course it was easier to do so in the early days, nowadays things are a bit more complicated.

Some people yes, won. But thousands have lost, if not more. What could be ratio of those who actually won, to those who had lost. I guess less than 1 percent. Imho, no matter if someone wins, because dozens lose. I might even agree with theory, that casinos allow some gambler to win big or get cheated. To create a vision of not being all-powerful, to let gamblers have hope that they could really win Cheesy

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 28, 2023, 02:23:59 PM

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

How about the sentence that gambling does not recognize newcomers?

Yesterday I just did this on one of the gambling sites. I created an account then made a deposit. In one of the available slots I played with a small bet and then I increased the bet amount. Maybe because I was considered a new player, I won 70% of the deposit amount. Without thinking I made a withdrawal and left the slot.

It was just luck on my side or maybe they got me hooked by letting me win.
Do you think I've beaten them with what I've done?

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Yes. If you can turn your back after winning then you are a real winner and you totally beat the house.
But that's kind of hard right? It will keep on calling you to gamble more because luck may be on your side, sometimes it can even visit you in your dreams just to remind you to go back.
If you lack greediness though, it can be truly achieved. It requires some intense mental choice for a gambler to not go back. There may have been some stories of it like lottery winners, but I have not seen/heard of one who won in a casino and completely stopped playing again for a long time just to invest it for business or other stuff.

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Quote from: maydna on January 30, 2023, 06:00:46 AM

What happens is they lose after they put in all their money, which doesn't give them any winnings

If it's was his first time and he lose his money then i don't think he/she will ever dare to Gamble as he would consider himself unlucky and will stay away from it.

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