Topic: Hit And Run Gambling - Can The House Be Beaten This way? - page 3. (Read 717 times)

According to OP. The scenario he painted was that there is no losing for the person. You played and you also won big. But the OP didn't put into consideration what happens since the gambler started gambling. Was it the first time for the gambler to gamble?
In one way or the other the gambler must have lost in some ways to other casino. You may have beaten the house immediately but no overall.

What happens is they lose after they put in all their money, which doesn't give them any winnings. The situation reversed rapidly, and it was time for the casino to take all the winnings from that gambler. People who think a hit-and-run strategy will work should realize that they cannot hope to do so because the situation will change instantly. They must also think that the casino will not simply let them withdraw their winnings before fulfilling all the conditions.

Some people actually manage to win against the casinos.

For example, David Walsh

Of course it was easier to do so in the early days, nowadays things are a bit more complicated.

Hit and Run tactics wont beat casinos. If someone thinks, that, for example, he can deposit, get a welcome bonus, play few 1.0x bets to meet wagering requirement and withdraw, and beat casino with, then he is wrong. With that, you can harm casinos profit for few hundreds, but there will always be on your place 5-10 other gamblers that loose. The casino will get its profit in different place. Casino and gamblers is like hydras head - you kill one head, two new appear. If there would be a way to beat casinos, there wont have them new opened every week.

This is a completely legitimate way to beat the casino. To some extent, winning such a large sum of money in gambling is extremely unlikely. Gamblers have this feeling that once they win one, they'll want to put all of their money, including the profit, back in and play to win more, but to their greatest surprise, they lose everything. People who have the mindset of winning big and never coming back are always the unlucky ones to hit the jackpot big enough to cash out in a single trial.

If the gambler simply pays for entertainment, then it's basically just a paid game really.

As long as the gambler can stop whenever the expected money runs out, then it's all good.

The issue is that a gambler can lose way more money than when playing a paid game.

In both your cases the gambler successfully beats the casino and if he manages to hold on to his winnings he is a lucky gambler. The thing about the saying "the casino always wins" is not correct about every individual gambler, it's true about a large group of gamblers. In any casino game the house has its edge to make sure they make money in the long run. The winning chance of the casino is higher than that of us gamblers, which doesn't mean that we can't win. The casino needs a larger number of losers than winners to remain profitable and not to bankrupt. So when ever you make a huge win it makes sense to withdraw at least some of the winning and save it. The real question is if you are willing to bet all your money on a risky. I remember the story of an English fella who sold his house and bet everything on a single roulette spin. Luckily he won and doubled his money. I would never have the stomach to bet so much on a single bet. Another thing is that many people enjoy gambling and won't stay away for ever.

Those with such mentality never hit such luck, rather they kept loosing while they are trying to target a particular entry or winning from a casino. Actually nothing wrong with this strategy but it's rear to have such an opportunity maybe I can say is a day your Maker have decided to blessed you.
If you make such winning, is best advisable you should leave the casino or the gambling site for some days otherwise the said money might ended up with losing it back to the casino again due to over excitement could cause it or having this confident you might get another great entry.

All the scenarios you illustrated are surely a demonstration of hit and run, and by doing that the person has personally beaten the said casinos. But the saying goes beyond that. Saying that, "the house always wins" in gambling does not refer to a single player, it referees to the overall activities of the house. They don't lose, many activities might favour them and others might not, but in the end, they go home with bags full of money.

Their programs/activities have been designed to their advantage, that's just it, they can't be beaten.

Yes, that's true unless you live in a place without internet or electricity and have no way to come back to go online you can say that you beat the house, casinos have a way to get their inactive players to come back and play, they send a lot of promotions, comeback bonuses for inactive players to play again.
The temptation is always there to come back you cannot say that you will not play forever, there's some sort of guilt and temptation to come back so it's really a matter of time before you go back to playing again.

Yes, that is correct.

If you happen to win big in the first few times you gamble (basically before you spend too much), and then stop gambling forever, then yes, you have beaten the house.

Now, this happens very rarely mainly because of two factors:

a) Winning big in a casino has very small odds, so anyone winning big is already a small chance.

b) Casinos are designed so that you keep playing for as long as possible. For example they give you free food and drinks, keep outside world blocked, no clocks, etc, so that you don't notice the passing of time. If you win you are encouraged to keep playing, because they know the house wins over the long term. Very few gamblers stop at their first big win.

If you combine a) and b) you'll see that the chances of that happening are extremely small. You have a small chance of it happening in the first place, and then very few of those quit gambling forever. So almost no one beats the house in the long term, but it can be done.

It's easy to think about but not easy to do or get, not only when you just play a few hundred dollars and win hundreds of thousands of dollars and then immediately withdraw it then you will start to face the first problem from the casino which most likely asks you to do KYC if it hasn't been done or difficulties come from you because by winning hundreds of thousands of dollars and stopping in gambling is not an easy thing, you will continue to be tempted to play because you think gambling is where you get a lot of money.

it is difficult to be disciplined even when we have beaten the dealer and won the bet, usually we will come back after a few days or continue playing and in the end we are beaten again by the dealer and in fact that is what usually happens

Actually it doesn't matter, I consider beating the house if I make money out of my deposit for example I deposited $200 and withdrawing more than it but it is actually smart that you take away your money immediately after winning as the longer you are playing in the gambling site the more you are losing in the long run.

I really don't think you can beat the house, they always win. They created/host the game to win and not to lose, you should remember that they are not gamblers like most of us, they are businessmen.

It's implausiable to have such odds on your side. Hit and runs aren't possible by many small bets as house advantage will only get bigger and big wins are only possible with low win chance bets.

The only possibility I can think is that many people make such low win chance bets and one may come out to be a winner. But then again this one winner only won money that others wagered in hope for big win, while the house advantage is always included in each bet. House won anyway.

The only way I can think of to beat casino is not to play.

If so, he really is very lucky to be able to get such a huge profit from the casino because only a few people can be like him to get that luck. And maybe the strategy is really profitable but the problem is how high are our chances of getting lucky in that scenario?

Yes, the house always wins but like I said, the house will win many times what the gambler got. But if he could get his winnings and leave the casino for a while, that would be his greatest gift.

Let's Dissect your question 1st


In actuality, the house really always wins, this is just based on my experience when I was playing online with a casino app on my phone it will surely let you win on your 1st bet so I think that was your free trial to win the game and if you can a couple of times the system will let you win, but if you continue and let your emotions clouded you your judgement the system or house will now let you lose,


That will be a process you will need to control, but if your emotions has not been controlled then you will surely lost all of that winnings, it happens on me and that is just my experience there will be different experience for every person, if you are lucky and you feel that you now win big time try to think 1st because setting your emotions to judge if you want to play or leave I think you have in control with your emotions, because there are no required skill in winning the house, because the house always wins, you gambled not to get rich but to have fun only always used your extra money or money that is OK for you to lose,


I mean that is one way to beat the house if you decided to stop, what if you are in a hundred thousands of dollar, but decided to continue, it will be a good thing if you already stop your trail there but I highly doubt that could happen, but there are certain people that end up winning it big but I don't think that is beating the house because winnings the house will surely be getting it to another gambler, so it is not actually winning the house, that is just stimulating you to return and play aqain, so the house could get back to you,

You beat the casino, but the others don't, because the majority of them lose, implying that you were just lucky to win it. It also doesn't mean that beating them means they lose a lot of money; they still make money as others lose to them. This is the only way to beat them in the casino ; you win, then flee, but winning from your first deposit is extremely rare, or having "beginner's luck,"  but they have a kind of algorithm that says you will win in your first trade if you bet small.

Well this is a good point, but the casino didn't lose at all because casinos aren't playing against 1 user, for each user winning you have 20 users losing, that's how that work, and to see one user winning doesn't represent a big lost for te casino.


Yes, we could say this is a way to beat the house, but remember, you need luck for this and is really hard to go and win big. I think that's the dream of tons of gamblers now. But is really hard to make it a reality.

It will take a lot of discipline for you to win and walk away totally. There might still be the temptation to come back and play because you might still have the mindset that you can still win again. But when you win and run, it might be interpreted that you have beaten the house. But the saying that the house always win means that even if you win something big, another gambler in the same house have also lost something big. The gambling house will always use other people's losses to cover up for the win of others. So, on the long run it is the house that always win.