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Topic: HoboNickels - HBN - High Fast Stake - Version 2.0! More Secure, Less Intensive - page 163. (Read 478852 times)

legendary
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May the force bit with you.
Morning all . Looks like smartmining.net has stopped their HBN pool. Woke up this morning after using this pool for 8 months to this msg...

We're closing this pool. Please withdraw before Dec 12 2014.

Just an FYI to anyone using them...time for me to find a new pool Sad

Thanks for the heads up I will update the OPs.
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Morning all . Looks like smartmining.net has stopped their HBN pool. Woke up this morning after using this pool for 8 months to this msg...

We're closing this pool. Please withdraw before Dec 12 2014.

Just an FYI to anyone using them...time for me to find a new pool Sad
legendary
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Blockchain Developer
Site should be up and running soon, I am working with Tranz to get it transferred to him.  We both thought that the transfer would be much easier and quicker.
legendary
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May the force bit with you.
sr. member
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Ya i'm loving it. Someone has been selling into anything I seem to put up.
hero member
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Mine Silent, Mine Deep
HBN Black Friday Sale is now on! :)

legendary
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legendary
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May the force bit with you.
It seems the Hobonickels.info site is down:

This Domain Name Has Expired - Renewal Instructions.

I'd be happy to contribute if that's what it takes to get it back up again. Among other things I particularly like too examine the charts now and then

Thanks. I am actually in the process of taking it over. PressTab had run it in the past, but I will be going forward. It maybe down for a bit while everything gets changed over.

Is your sig a donation address?

It can be, sure. Absolutely not necessary though.
sr. member
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It seems the Hobonickels.info site is down:

This Domain Name Has Expired - Renewal Instructions.

I'd be happy to contribute if that's what it takes to get it back up again. Among other things I particularly like too examine the charts now and then

Thanks. I am actually in the process of taking it over. PressTab had run it in the past, but I will be going forward. It maybe down for a bit while everything gets changed over.

Is your sig a donation address?
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1060
May the force bit with you.
It seems the Hobonickels.info site is down:

This Domain Name Has Expired - Renewal Instructions.

I'd be happy to contribute if that's what it takes to get it back up again. Among other things I particularly like too examine the charts now and then

Thanks. I am actually in the process of taking it over. PressTab had run it in the past, but I will be going forward. It maybe down for a bit while everything gets changed over.
full member
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It seems the Hobonickels.info site is down:

This Domain Name Has Expired - Renewal Instructions.

I'd be happy to contribute if that's what it takes to get it back up again. Among other things I particularly like too examine the charts now and then
hero member
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could I be pointed to the merchants that accept HBN

http://www.hobonickels.info/accepts.php

and if you are looking for more, why not vote for HoboNickels to be included on Coinpayments:

https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

The vote ends on December 5, 2014 at 12:00:00pm EST ... and HoboNickels are listed!

Why limit it to merchants? HoboNickels could be an excellent medium of barter between two people, just as the original Hobo Nickels were. Early days! I wonder what next year will bring?  Smiley


The rules for coinpayments.net are rather odd, however if there is a way to do a cross vote deal, ie: you promise to provide 3 votes to EMC2 and I will promise to provide 3 votes to HBN, would you agree?  

This would be a strategic partnership to advance the mutual goals of non-associated coins, let me know if you agree with the premise so that we could then examine the details.

Coinpayments are strict on one vote per person. I must make it clear that I have voted for another coin and it was only in doing that, that I saw HoboNickels listed with no votes. My personal view is that any votes should come directly from the community as an expression of strength from each individual member. Being listed on Coinpayments would concentrate the mind on use and I do have some ideas in that direction. If the strength of feeling is there to muster the 25-35 votes that should ensure being taken on board, then that would be a good sign. If it isn't there, then I would rather wait for a more appropriate time when it is.

By the way, if anyone is interested in voting, each vote costs 0.001 BTC. Besides Bitcoin,  you can use Litecoin (0.10326 LTC) and Dogecoin (1483.411677 Doge). The cost of a vote is equivalent to 37 cents (US$0.37), 0.30 Euros, or 23 pence (£0.23). Each token amount is donated to charity.

For anyone voting, make sure that you confirm your vote by clicking on the authorisation link which will be sent to you via email, otherwise it won't be registered. Allow for any transaction fee in sending a deposit to Coinpayments.

To vote:
https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

To check the progress of the vote:
https://www.coinpayments.net/vote-thanks


The one vote pers person, is understandable per coin; but if the rule is one vote per person period, that would be foolish.  There is no one in the alt community that has allegiance to only one coin; and highly unlikely that they are only associated with only a single coin, or only invested in a single coin.   But I'm not here to push "the spirit of the rule" only to make life better for everyone through cooperation.   Sorry it could not work out this time.

We will do a strategic partnership deal in the future.



 
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could I be pointed to the merchants that accept HBN

http://www.hobonickels.info/accepts.php

and if you are looking for more, why not vote for HoboNickels to be included on Coinpayments:

https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

The vote ends on December 5, 2014 at 12:00:00pm EST ... and HoboNickels are listed!

Why limit it to merchants? HoboNickels could be an excellent medium of barter between two people, just as the original Hobo Nickels were. Early days! I wonder what next year will bring?  Smiley


The rules for coinpayments.net are rather odd, however if there is a way to do a cross vote deal, ie: you promise to provide 3 votes to EMC2 and I will promise to provide 3 votes to HBN, would you agree?  

This would be a strategic partnership to advance the mutual goals of non-associated coins, let me know if you agree with the premise so that we could then examine the details.

Coinpayments are strict on one vote per person. I must make it clear that I have voted for another coin and it was only in doing that, that I saw HoboNickels listed with no votes. My personal view is that any votes should come directly from the community as an expression of strength from each individual member. Being listed on Coinpayments would concentrate the mind on use and I do have some ideas in that direction. If the strength of feeling is there to muster the 25-35 votes that should ensure being taken on board, then that would be a good sign. If it isn't there, then I would rather wait for a more appropriate time when it is.

By the way, if anyone is interested in voting, each vote costs 0.001 BTC. Besides Bitcoin,  you can use Litecoin (0.10326 LTC) and Dogecoin (1483.411677 Doge). The cost of a vote is equivalent to 37 cents (US$0.37), 0.30 Euros, or 23 pence (£0.23). Each token amount is donated to charity.

For anyone voting, make sure that you confirm your vote by clicking on the authorisation link which will be sent to you via email, otherwise it won't be registered. Allow for any transaction fee in sending a deposit to Coinpayments.

To vote:
https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

To check the progress of the vote:
https://www.coinpayments.net/vote-thanks
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 501
could I be pointed to the merchants that accept HBN

http://www.hobonickels.info/accepts.php

and if you are looking for more, why not vote for HoboNickels to be included on Coinpayments:

https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

The vote ends on December 5, 2014 at 12:00:00pm EST ... and HoboNickels are listed!

Why limit it to merchants? HoboNickels could be an excellent medium of barter between two people, just as the original Hobo Nickels were. Early days! I wonder what next year will bring?  Smiley


The rules for coinpayments.net are rather odd, however if there is a way to do a cross vote deal, ie: you promise to provide 3 votes to EMC2 and I will promise to provide 3 votes to HBN, would you agree?  

This would be a strategic partnership to advance the mutual goals of non-associated coins, let me know if you agree with the premise so that we could then examine the details.
full member
Activity: 163
Merit: 100
could I be pointed to the merchants that accept HBN

http://www.hobonickels.info/accepts.php

and if you are looking for more, why not vote for HoboNickels to be included on Coinpayments:

https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

The vote ends on December 5, 2014 at 12:00:00pm EST ... and HoboNickels are listed!

Why limit it to merchants? HoboNickels could be an excellent medium of barter between two people, just as the original Hobo Nickels were. Early days! I wonder what next year will bring?  Smiley
hero member
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could I be pointed to the merchants that accept HBN
full member
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Thanks! I am hanging on in there. I do have an old net-book that I could use eventually, when I get around to it. At the moment, I am quite happy running HoboNickels on a couple of spare, desktop computers. The net-book idea is a is a good one. A net-book could also function as a mobile wallet while an Android version is being developed. I see an Android wallet as the next, big leap forward.

HoboNickels is gradually becoming a coin easier to use, rather than simply holding onto to accumulate. I suppose this is part of the plan.  As I mentioned before, I like the HoboNickels concept. It has fired my imagination!
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I suppose what I am really trying to get at here is that I am sold on HoboNickels as a concept, but have some reservations. I would welcome stake-splitting with far higher parameters, if not phased out entirely, and the raising of the maximum optimum stake level to a much higher value, if not abolished altogether. I do not want to have to run my computers for long, extended periods in order to generate Proof of Stake. Certainly not 24/7. It doesn't fit in with my lifestyle. I prefer POS to be more like interest - there and easily accessible as of right - as opposed to being like the laborious, Proof of Work with a questionable break-even conciliation. That is too much like mining. I have better things to do!   Wink


The way I understand it, the splitting plays an important role in securing the network, to raise the level too much could compromise it. Having no stake limit has the same effect. Another important issue would be inflation. The more small blocks there are, the lower the inflation will be, meaning your newly staked coins have some value and are more likely to keep that value too.

So in my opinion, these factors are pretty well balanced. It only requires time to stake small blocks or time to recombine manually. I my case I use an old net-book that does the 24*7 staking for me. With the screen switched off, it consumes about 15 watts. This setup requires hardly any effort nor costs much to run. Now and then, I recombine blocks if they get really too small and that's it. I do the same with cap and I can afford another life as well!  Smiley
legendary
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May the force bit with you.

I'm wondering whether HBN's emphasis on encouraging small stake values is contributing to the problems spoken of here. The maximum coin block size to optimise Proof Of Stake is 250 HBN. HoboNickels consistently refers to this reward as a '~2%' stake once a coin block matures and not '~2% interest'. The reason given for this policy is that it will keep people in Stake mode longer - 24/7 for some - and this will help with network security.

That was the original wording of Thundertoe, circa 2013. I never changed it, as I thought it fit pretty well, and was easy to understand. I suppose I could change or remove it.

I suspect that this might not be as effective as might be thought. The average number of active connections on the HBN network isn't that high, and some POS coins without maximum, coin-block, optimum stake sizes perform quite well by comparison in that area. I suspect that the difficulty in staking turns quite a lot of people away, who would otherwise significantly add to the security of the HBN network.

Fair points.  But keeping the inflation rate constant is also a consideration. Staking on HBN network is still pretty easy.

To have stake-splitting combined with predominantly small coin block size values leads to many, many, smaller calculations. Like a chain reaction. I should imagine that is a major contributor to the blockchain expanding. Is not blockchain saturation a security risk and a vulnerability for a form of attack?

PoS and PoW work together to make 30 second block time. If we never had 1 PoS block created, we would still be at 1.4 million blocks.

Recently, I completed a full installation of the new HBN wallet on a 32-bit Windows XP machine with 8 Gb of RAM. It took nearly three days. I suppose that is to be expected for a wallet with a long-established blockchain, and HoboNickels has been around for longer than most. I have a faster i5 64-bit machine. The HBN Windows client is tagged as 32-bit. Will it run on a 64-bit machine with a 64-bit Windows7 operating system just as easily?

Yes 32 will work on either.  A 64 bit client will only work on 64.  My best time to sync from start, in the last few months, was 14 hours.  My worst time was about 3 days as well. And these was from the same network connection and very similar computers. The difference was the peers I was connected to in the former case were feeding me blocks faster, and I didn't have as many wallet transactions to independently verify, although still a few thousand.

I found that the old, about to be phased out, wallet (v4.0.1) performed well. Transactions were fast and it was quick to load, although rather slow to stake. This has been my experience since first coming to HoboNickels in April. I hope that the fast stake v5 will be better. I've split 26,000 HBN into 10 coin-blocks of 500 HBN and the rest in 250 HBN coin-blocks - all with individual addresses to help keep track of staking. The 500 HBN and 250 HBN values were based on previously given advice.

Nothing should change on the usability of the client. Some things that you couldn't do, such as import a private key and still use the gui, are now an option on 1.5 The staking algo has only been slightly changed from 1.4 to 1.5, the split/combine threshold should prevent the blocks from getting split to far down and causing to much CPU usage.

I suppose what I am really trying to get at here is that I am sold on HoboNickels as a concept, but have some reservations. I would welcome stake-splitting with far higher parameters, if not phased out entirely, and the raising of the maximum optimum stake level to a much higher value, if not abolished altogether. I do not want to have to run my computers for long, extended periods in order to generate Proof of Stake. Certainly not 24/7. It doesn't fit in with my lifestyle. I prefer POS to be more like interest - there and easily accessible as of right - as opposed to being like the laborious, Proof of Work with a questionable break-even conciliation. That is too much like mining. I have better things to do!   Wink

Yes stake splitting will be increased in the future as noted. The max reward is likely to stay at 250 for the foreseeable future, if not forever.

I appreciate the feedback.

Thanks!
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In case you have noticed, the PoS difficulty for has increased a bit recently. Sadly this is not due to a natural increase in the number of PoS blocks being generated. It is however, unfortunately due to a client on the network with an incorrect clock. They are creating blocks 1 hour in the future which is causing the difficulty algorithm to misinterpret how many blocks are actually being created in a set amount of time.

Version 1.5 will prevent this type of situation by limiting the time drift from 2 hours to 5 minutes.  As noted this will not take affect until Jan 17. In the meantime I will be sending an alert for people to upgrade to version 1.5. I will also include a note for users to check their clocks.  If the problem continues to persist for a few days. I can issue a "soft" fork of the time drift to begin rejecting these blocks via the checkpoint server. I would rather not do this but I will if necessary.

I'll continue to monitor the issue and advise as necessary.

Thanks.

Your vigilance is much appreciated. Thanks. (Your last post crossed with my previous post, so I am repeating it here so as not to detract from of its importance).
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