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Quote from: Honestbit on April 18, 2016, 10:48:56 PM

If you keep insisting that I'm not being clear, either elaborate on where I could clarity more or you're the troll here.

Logic fail, again. Proving you wrong does not then require that I provide a solution to your problems.

The fact that random anonymous internet users can participate means you cannot operate a truly honest ponzi. Which part of that simple truth confuses you?

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Quote from: Slow death on April 18, 2016, 12:51:17 PM

Quote from: shefchenko17 on April 18, 2016, 11:09:11 AM

Quote from: Themanty on April 18, 2016, 10:42:20 AM

EVERYONE SAVE YOUR COINS IF YOU DONT WANNA LOSE

and don't go outside your house if you don't wanna die Cheesy

kkkkk

outside the home has police and if he dies the person who killed him will be held accountable in court, but if it is stolen your bitcoins no one will blame the thief. kkkk

Save your bitcoins

I find it slightly disturbing that your username is slow death...

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 18, 2016, 07:40:59 AM

I already answered your puerile questions. Either you are intentionally trolling, which makes you dishonest, or you suffer some sort of autistic-spectrum-disorder which prevents you from engaging at the required level of intellectual honesty needed to properly evaluate the argument and accept your defeat. Either way you're still the one being dishonest.

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2016, 04:01:34 AM

As long as there is a chance that the operator will knowingly take money from participants who might not properly understand the system then those who operate the scheme and those who willingly accept a share of the money from this inherently flawed process are doing so dishonestly when they claim it is an 'honest' ponzi.

If you cannot ensure 100% fully-informed participation, which you cannot as already proven, then you cannot claim your ponzi to be an honest system because it may contain funds from people who would otherwise not have sent them, had they actually fully understood what the scheme was.

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2016, 10:57:53 AM

This means that money which would otherwise not have been deposited becomes part of the system and is taken by the operator and those participants who also know that their share could be coming from somebody who would otherwise not consent.

Fully informed consent is the ultimate basis for secular morality, after all, 'Honestbit'. So one cannot claim a system to be 'honest' if it transgresses the boundaries of fully informed consent.

This is your opinion. Dooglus has another one. So, I know that I am trying to make it as easy as possible for all to understand the risks, therefore I am being honest. If you keep insisting that I'm not being clear, either elaborate on where I could clarity more or you're the troll here.

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Quote from: Slow death on April 18, 2016, 12:51:17 PM

Quote from: shefchenko17 on April 18, 2016, 11:09:11 AM

Quote from: Themanty on April 18, 2016, 10:42:20 AM

EVERYONE SAVE YOUR COINS IF YOU DONT WANNA LOSE

and don't go outside your house if you don't wanna die Cheesy

kkkkk

outside the home has police and if he dies the person who killed him will be held accountable in court, but if it is stolen your bitcoins no one will blame the thief. kkkk

Save your bitcoins

You're not right about this. Everyone will blame the guy who stole. But if somebody kills me in a dark street corner...nobody would ever know : ]

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Quote from: shefchenko17 on April 18, 2016, 11:09:11 AM

Quote from: Themanty on April 18, 2016, 10:42:20 AM

EVERYONE SAVE YOUR COINS IF YOU DONT WANNA LOSE

and don't go outside your house if you don't wanna die Cheesy

kkkkk

outside the home has police and if he dies the person who killed him will be held accountable in court, but if it is stolen your bitcoins no one will blame the thief. kkkk

Save your bitcoins

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Quote from: Themanty on April 18, 2016, 10:42:20 AM

EVERYONE SAVE YOUR COINS IF YOU DONT WANNA LOSE

and don't go outside your house if you don't wanna die Cheesy

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Fully informed consent is the ultimate basis for secular morality, after all, 'Honestbit'. So one cannot claim a system to be 'honest' if it transgresses the boundaries of fully informed consent.

The problem is that we have many possibilities and only one word:scam
so if people talk about a possibility they can only put this possibility in "scam" or not talk about.

here you have not many possibilities to write:

1)...you agree with the devil...it's ok
2)...you disagree with the devil...you risk "punishment"

3)...you prefer your peace...and you say nothing...

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I already answered your puerile questions. Either you are intentionally trolling, which makes you dishonest, or you suffer some sort of autistic-spectrum-disorder which prevents you from engaging at the required level of intellectual honesty needed to properly evaluate the argument and accept your defeat. Either way you're still the one being dishonest.

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2016, 04:01:34 AM

As long as there is a chance that the operator will knowingly take money from participants who might not properly understand the system then those who operate the scheme and those who willingly accept a share of the money from this inherently flawed process are doing so dishonestly when they claim it is an 'honest' ponzi.

If you cannot ensure 100% fully-informed participation, which you cannot as already proven, then you cannot claim your ponzi to be an honest system because it may contain funds from people who would otherwise not have sent them, had they actually fully understood what the scheme was.

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2016, 10:57:53 AM

This means that money which would otherwise not have been deposited becomes part of the system and is taken by the operator and those participants who also know that their share could be coming from somebody who would otherwise not consent.

Fully informed consent is the ultimate basis for secular morality, after all, 'Honestbit'. So one cannot claim a system to be 'honest' if it transgresses the boundaries of fully informed consent.

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 18, 2016, 03:21:33 AM

Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Can you provide me with your definition of scam?

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Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

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Quote from: Honestbit on April 17, 2016, 11:48:00 PM

Quote from: NeilLostBitCoin on April 15, 2016, 11:13:29 PM

Hey you attention-seeker, stop "bump"-ing your post. Just go to your mama and take a nap. :3

Thanks for bumping my post! Wink

But also, where is cryptodevil when you need him? I have a few questions for him.

You are really an idiot and a fool. Just drop dead already.

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Quote from: NeilLostBitCoin on April 15, 2016, 11:13:29 PM

Hey you attention-seeker, stop "bump"-ing your post. Just go to your mama and take a nap. :3

Thanks for bumping my post! Wink

But also, where is cryptodevil when you need him? I have a few questions for him.

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A scam will be a scam.
It won't sustain in long run, cause they can't make $ for you at all, they don't have any business model or investment plans to make money grows.
All they did is use other people's $ to pay other users, so those who earned $ is just from other victims... in short a vicious cycle.
People KNEW, but they just dump their $ in hoping for a miracle.

ok..."A scam will be a scam."
but a ponzi sheme is not a scam so "A ponzi sheme will NOT be a scam.
ok...a ponzi sheme is risky ...but generally ponzi users know it.

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Quote from: NeilLostBitCoin on April 15, 2016, 11:13:29 PM

Hey you attention-seeker, stop "bump"-ing your post. Just go to your mama and take a nap. :3

I guess is hard to scam or cheat nowadays, so he decides to troll and bs.
If you can't convince, you CONFUSE.
That's what he is trying to do now.
As you can see too, scammers don't dare to sht doubler, (x2) instead they make it lower % rate.
To pray hard suckers believe this is 'investment' and not something too good to be true.
But truth is 99.9% 'investments' are all scam.

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Hey you attention-seeker, stop "bump"-ing your post. Just go to your mama and take a nap. :3

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Has cryptodevil given up on his community action?

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Again, cryptodevil: is the Earth round?

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Quote from: shefchenko17 on April 08, 2016, 06:40:56 AM

hahahahah you talk much, but say nothing. "as long as there is a chance that a participant may not be fully-informed about how it functions" ...I've a question for you are you fully informed? Is there anyway that could be fully informed? The man has explained that it is a ponzi, explained how ponzis work, explained that he would pay the old ones by the new ones' money...What else do you need to be explained? And please don't answer like before "you proved that ... some shit" "you fail by you own bla bla.." EXPLAAAAAAAAAIN us what else do you need?

shefchenko17 have you not yet understood that here it is worthless to explain something...
I have tryied to explain my systems 100 times and it was worthless.
I tried to explain that my NO-ponzi is not a ponzi...
here it is tried to explain that this ponzi is a ponzi...
Same story...(lol)

Quote from: Honestbit on April 08, 2016, 06:50:22 AM

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2016, 04:01:34 AM

Quote from: shefchenko17 on April 08, 2016, 03:26:04 AM

Interesting...could you explain exactly how is his scheme being dishonest?

Seriously? How many ways do I need to explain it?

Actually, no, I take that back shefchenko, thank you! You've just proved to me that even when somebody claims to be fully-informed about a ponzi scheme they *still* can fail to understand it properly.

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2016, 01:43:41 AM

The issue has always been that your scheme cannot be honest as long as there is a chance that a participant may not be fully-informed about how it functions.

Do you see how you fail at this? Your scheme can *never* be 'honest' as long as random internet strangers can be incited to participate.

As long as there is a chance that the operator will knowingly take money from participants who might not properly understand the system then those who operate the scheme and those who willingly accept a share of the money from this inherently flawed process are doing so dishonestly when they claim it is an 'honest' ponzi.

If you cannot ensure 100% fully-informed participation, which you cannot as already proven, then you cannot claim your ponzi to be an honest system because it may contain funds from people who would otherwise not have sent them, had they actually fully understood what the scheme was.

I have a question for you: is the Earth round?

I can answer this question:
the Earth is round.
the earth is a round flat disk floating on water...
and the sun is turning arround the disk...
Fool people try to say us the the Earth is a big orange...
try to walk on a big orange...without falling out when you are under it...

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2016, 04:01:34 AM

Quote from: shefchenko17 on April 08, 2016, 03:26:04 AM

Interesting...could you explain exactly how is his scheme being dishonest?

Seriously? How many ways do I need to explain it?

Actually, no, I take that back shefchenko, thank you! You've just proved to me that even when somebody claims to be fully-informed about a ponzi scheme they *still* can fail to understand it properly.

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2016, 01:43:41 AM

The issue has always been that your scheme cannot be honest as long as there is a chance that a participant may not be fully-informed about how it functions.

Do you see how you fail at this? Your scheme can *never* be 'honest' as long as random internet strangers can be incited to participate.

As long as there is a chance that the operator will knowingly take money from participants who might not properly understand the system then those who operate the scheme and those who willingly accept a share of the money from this inherently flawed process are doing so dishonestly when they claim it is an 'honest' ponzi.

If you cannot ensure 100% fully-informed participation, which you cannot as already proven, then you cannot claim your ponzi to be an honest system because it may contain funds from people who would otherwise not have sent them, had they actually fully understood what the scheme was.

I have a question for cryptodevil: is the Earth round?

shefchenko17

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hahahahah you talk much, but say nothing. "as long as there is a chance that a participant may not be fully-informed about how it functions" ...I've a question for you are you fully informed? Is there anyway that could be fully informed? The man has explained that it is a ponzi, explained how ponzis work, explained that he would pay the old ones by the new ones' money...What else do you need to be explained? And please don't answer like before "you proved that ... some shit" "you fail by you own bla bla.." EXPLAAAAAAAAAIN us what else do you need?

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