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Topic: How about a merit faucet / puzzle? (Read 840 times)

qwk
donator
Activity: 3542
Merit: 3413
Shitcoin Minimalist
January 12, 2020, 07:41:46 AM
#45
This is called freedom of speech.
Invoking "freedom of speech" on an online forum is kind of the new Godwin's Law Roll Eyes

Maybe we should call it "Munroe's Law": "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of someone invoking free speech approaches 1".

https://xkcd.com/1357/
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18711
January 12, 2020, 05:17:07 AM
#44
Forum can be useful more , generate army of promoters and push for adoption.
Maybe tasks on Facebook and social to promote ideas for Bitcoin for merit?
And essentially turn the forum in to one big bounty campaign while we're at it? No thanks.

We want people to understand how bitcoin works and why it is better than fiat. We don't want uneducated shills mindlessly repeating things they don't understand; there are 2000+ other coins you can choose from if that's your game plan.

regardless of their capability to communicate using the English language
I have never withheld merit from a user because I thought their English wasn't good enough, with the only caveat being it needs to be good enough that I can understand what they are trying to say. Merit should be for the ideas being communicated, not how well someone can spell or construct sentences. Although there are certainly plenty of users who could do with improving their English, again unfortunately there seems be little desire for improvement based on the uptake of JC's Fit to Talk project.

I've had users suggest I take a look at their bounty reports and merit them if I like them.
Genuine lol.

legendary
Activity: 2814
Merit: 2472
https://JetCash.com
January 12, 2020, 04:03:51 AM
#43

This one may be too difficult to understand.Always start test first for small effort. Later in their education if interested learn sha 512 encryption advantages?

SHA256 is one of the fundamentals of Bitcoin, and one should have an appreciation of it in my opinion. Most members here will have a more advanced knowledge about cryptography than I have, but I believe that I understand its purpose in Bitcoin, even though I don't have a deep knowledge of its nuances. If you don't know why Bitcoin incorporates SHA256, then you don't understand Bitcoin. This is why i thought it would be a good discussion topic for the beginners board. This is especially true with all the talk about Quantum computers, and their effect on Bitcoin.

Maybe discussions about links in signatures is more important for the current direction of Bitcoin Talk.

Maybe it is time to introduce a beginners' tech board, and moderate it to keep out the sig spamming.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
January 12, 2020, 03:53:27 AM
#42
I have a thread where I award Newbies and Jr. Members with Merits for quality posts. Do you know when the last post was made by a Newbie asking me to review some of his posts? August 31, 2019. I have bumped the thread a few times but it is slowly dying.

The thread taught me two things:

1. Those Newbies who know something about Bitcoin and crypto or have the ability to research and understand, will get merited sooner or later.
2. Many don't want to learn anything. All they want is a merit to be a Jr. Member and be able to take part in bounties. They can't even understand what a normal looking post should look like. I've had users suggest I take a look at their bounty reports and merit them if I like them.   
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 364
In Code We Trust
January 12, 2020, 03:35:06 AM
#41
The most important idea here IMO are the thoughts that each member has, regardless of their capability to communicate using the English language, that is why we have local boards to help these members share their knowledge without ease and away from criticism of their way of speaking. If they really want to engage with international boards, there are extensions they could use to do so, Grammarly is one of these grammar correcting software we could incorporate to our browser to help us further enhance our way of organizing our thoughts.
sr. member
Activity: 2030
Merit: 356
January 12, 2020, 01:45:39 AM
#40
Well that thread was a waste of time - it's been moved into technical, and no beginners will be visiting there. I don't know why I bother to try to stimulate research by beginners here.

This one may be too difficult to understand. Do you believe it is best for each member to understand deep cryptography first. One small team of experts required only not many. Forum can be useful more , generate army of promoters and push for adoption. Young at school can influence greatly. We maybe shall increase knowledge of the benefits of decentralized governance, and much more fair system, than fiat system? Make all members experts of technical deep topics may be difficult and not needed for the best result of this forum.? How about this idea? If make nice and easy then they can stay on beginners and not moved to expert section? Maybe tasks on Facebook and social to promote ideas for Bitcoin for merit? What about this one? Explain for friends on face book their personal experience with Bitcoin also bitcoin talk forums this build up members on this forum? Always start test first for small effort. Later in their education if interested learn sha 512 encryption advantages?

Everyone has the right to give ideas and there is nothing bad about it. Some people will like the ideas and others won't. Even if this idea is not to be implemented, some other idea may popup from this and the room for improvement is always there.

This is called freedom of speech.
jr. member
Activity: 35
Merit: 5
January 11, 2020, 03:41:40 PM
#39
Well that thread was a waste of time - it's been moved into technical, and no beginners will be visiting there. I don't know why I bother to try to stimulate research by beginners here.

This one may be too difficult to understand. Do you believe it is best for each member to understand deep cryptography first. One small team of experts required only not many. Forum can be useful more , generate army of promoters and push for adoption. Young at school can influence greatly. We maybe shall increase knowledge of the benefits of decentralized governance, and much more fair system, than fiat system? Make all members experts of technical deep topics may be difficult and not needed for the best result of this forum.? How about this idea? If make nice and easy then they can stay on beginners and not moved to expert section? Maybe tasks on Facebook and social to promote ideas for Bitcoin for merit? What about this one? Explain for friends on face book their personal experience with Bitcoin also bitcoin talk forums this build up members on this forum? Always start test first for small effort. Later in their education if interested learn sha 512 encryption advantages?
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18711
January 11, 2020, 03:08:25 PM
#38
Yeah, what a shame. We can flood the Beginners' Board with pointless topics like "How to earn merit?" and "I ranked up, aren't I amazing!", but if you try to actually stimulate learning and discussion then the topic is moved. What good is the Beginners' Board if not to help beginners explore more complicated topics and ask questions about topics they don't fully understand in a relatively safe environment? theymos has previously expressed his desire to help newbies learn about bitcoin with his courses idea (Idea: Courses), so it's a real shame this has been moved.

I suppose there's your answer though, qwk. If the mods aren't going to allow it, then the whole discussion is moot.
legendary
Activity: 2814
Merit: 2472
https://JetCash.com
January 11, 2020, 02:26:40 PM
#37
Well that thread was a waste of time - it's been moved into technical, and no beginners will be visiting there. I don't know why I bother to try to stimulate research by beginners here.
full member
Activity: 1134
Merit: 105
January 11, 2020, 10:11:57 AM
#36
Well, here's another crazy idea of mine.

I couldn't help but notice that a lot of zero-merit-newbies seem to struggle with meeting at least minimum capabilities in English writing.
Also, being newbies, they tend to voice "opinions" or whatever they believe to be such, rather than insightful knowledge of even basic facts about Bitcoin.
It's not uncommon for whole threads to read like
"I think Bitcoin will go moon" "I too think Bitcoin go moon, Sir!" "Oh, but what if Bitcoin not go moon?" "Yes, I hear whales make Bitcoin not go moon."
Well, you get the idea, and you probably know what I'm talking about.

Therefore, I'd like to incentivize newbies to actually learn about Bitcoin, rather than spend their time in futile attempts at grasping somebody's attention and maybe pity-meriting them.


The main theme of the forum is to write constructive and good posts which add value to the forum. If someone is not able to write quality posts he has no right to get merits and rank up by other means. Faucets and puzzles to get the merit will only help non-serious poster rank up and keep spamming without improving themselves.
legendary
Activity: 2814
Merit: 2472
https://JetCash.com
January 11, 2020, 04:06:58 AM
#35
I've tried to start discussion threads on the beginner's board, and have had mixed success. It's quite difficult to think of suitable topics though. Here is one that I've just started as an experiment.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/should-sha256-be-replaced-with-sha512-5216645

legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18711
January 11, 2020, 03:29:39 AM
#34
What happens when somebody starts handing out the answers to the legions of broken English spammers that seem to flock to this forum every day?
I think the point is that it won't be easy to answer questions which have answers which can just be handed out or (more likely) bought and sold, but be questions which require some research and thought. Such a system would be no easier to game for merit than buying an answer to any other thread.

There would need to be a huge number of questions and they would need to be randomly assigned in order to make sure the system can't be easily bypassed just like most other online quizzes.
It's not a case of every newbie is presented with a question to answer. They would just be threads like any others. Once the thread had dwindled, it could be locked.

Alternatively, I think it would be a better idea if people could simply flag other users for merit-worthy posts.
Such a thread already exists here: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. It is very under utilized, and unfortunately consists almost exclusively of people suggesting their own posts.

member
Activity: 234
Merit: 36
Let the bad times roll
January 11, 2020, 02:38:10 AM
#33
So here's my idea:
What if there were a thread where "oldies" posted relatively simple "puzzles" about Bitcoin and its history with a clear-cut, easy to research answer?
And the first newbie to post the correct answer would be awarded a merit or two.

E.g. I might ask for a link to the last post of the creator of Bitcoin.
You post "https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29479" and you win one merit.

From what i can read and understand, this might be a superb idea. It might also help for gaining some basic knowledge about might be anything related to bitcoins/cryptocurrencies as well as it might open doors of ranking up for several struggling newbies who have a will to rankup.

It would be a good way for us(newbies) to earn few merits and in this case "we would literally earn merits with our knowledge and it really is a quite innovative concept.

Let me answer your first question if you ask one in order to earn a merit. Grin
sr. member
Activity: 1106
Merit: 310
January 11, 2020, 02:22:51 AM
#32
Jet Cash has tried to engage Newbies in many topics, but without much result.
The ones who open useless topics are the ones the merit system is supposed to stop from ranking up.
i agree with this , they post a lot things just to reach a certain target post, but the content of the post has nothing , or sometimes a mile a way of the topic
regarding the merit , i would like to suggest to start a topic then, all the newbies will be sharing their thoughts about it and if their statement or answers
or good and helpful i think even other high rank will never hesitate to give them a merit, i really hate spamming since , its just covering the one comment that
has all the thoughts about the topic
jr. member
Activity: 35
Merit: 5
January 10, 2020, 07:34:11 PM
#31
I like the idea of qwk. There could be many educational challenges set with great variety. It would take a large effort to create the challenges and reward deserving. I don't assume merit should be top priority. I like more social small regular group and characters. Meta group and politics are most interesting for me above Bitcoin board right now.

Moist new members may be not be concerned about merits, only interest in accumulation of bitcoins and alt coins. Or perhaps make friends and talk. So merits may not attract people to the challenges, but we can try the small experiment to test? I don't specialize with math or cryptography only recent hear about game theory so merit challenges on these advanced principles will not work for me. Very complex. Some new members can learn these thing deep so worth a try to educate more members on deeper technology. Variations  some other challenges, or discussions on other ideas with advancement of adoption of crypto. A plan how to self perpetually contagion others with crypto interest. Testing and challenges  on board rules and etiquette.
Could be fun to try. No success can stop it. Not dangerous in my opinion to test. What harm? Good suggestion.
sr. member
Activity: 1106
Merit: 310
January 10, 2020, 06:40:28 PM
#30
I think sometimes newbies thought that if you post a lot , just by spamming the threads with nonsense post
they will think they will rank up, but its not true, why because the first thing a newbie will look for is the one
with the highest rank and look at their stats sheet, and think they have lost of post, and they will start, posting
every minute, just to reach a certain post, but since the ranking system already change thats not how it works
What newbies really need to do
1. Post things that can help others ,
2. Share information others don't know
3. Help others problem on something they ask for or seek
4. don't do bad things in others in the community

You see this are simple steps to rank up, when you have this , i assure you those merits will come on raining down
why? because you deserve it, spend more time creating a post, its not how many you post in the forum, its what
the content of the post is it helpful or just a spam,
I hope newbies will be able to read this
legendary
Activity: 2383
Merit: 1551
dogs are cute.
January 10, 2020, 05:17:53 PM
#29
Its not that the idea itself is entirely bad, there is just severe lack on interest on this forum. I tried starting a Q/A thread for people, it worked a little well at start, then I just started getting answers from the same few people, or from newbies who weren't willing to put *noticeable* effort into the posts, so I eventually gave up. Its kinda the same thing you're proposing. It just died, eventually.

I dont think there's a lack of merits, its that people who usually give merit, give it to the regulars, because hunting for newbies has never gone too well. Jet Cash tried so hard, so so hard, and it sucks how it went. I don't think the community has to try this hard for newbies to earn merit. People who like this place will eventually earn merit. Also, people tend to mistake that if someone doesn't have good english, they won't get merit, which is kinda false, cause I am aware of so many users who have moderate English get more merit than posters with better English.
legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 6830
January 10, 2020, 04:51:57 PM
#28
We do that on our local board (Portuguese). Some users from the community make some questions (e.g How does Bitcoin mining work) and if you make a good answer, you get a merit or two). It works because we have quite a small and limited community, so we incentive some activity and learning-seek between us.

This is the thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-perguntas-e-respostas-3336968
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 515
Get'em boys
January 10, 2020, 04:21:34 PM
#27
What happens when somebody starts handing out the answers to the legions of broken English spammers that seem to flock to this forum every day?

At best, it is a flawed plan, at worst, it is dangerous. There would need to be a huge number of questions and they would need to be randomly assigned in order to make sure the system can't be easily bypassed just like most other online quizzes.

Also, this can't just be gamed by illiterate users, because there would be nothing to stop someone creating hundreds of accounts and scoring the minimum amount of merit on them, then using this merit to transfer to their main account etc.

Alternatively, I think it would be a better idea if people could simply flag other users for merit-worthy posts. These could show up in a stream that merit holders and merit sources can view if they're looking particularly generous.
legendary
Activity: 2814
Merit: 2472
https://JetCash.com
January 10, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
#26

Indeed, one of my pet peeves is people "answering" questions incorrectly or with wrong information because they are trying to boost their post count and end up posting about things they don't know.

As a newbie, you don't have to answer questions if you aren't sure of the answer. However, you can always start discussions around some of your ideas, and members can be really helpful. I can remember having fairly long discussions about reducing the block generation interval when I first joined the forum, and I was wrong because I didn't understand the problems resulting from the creation of orphan blocks.

I think that one of the differences in the current forum is that I was chasing knowledge rather than merits then. Somehow we have to put merits behind us, and return to the ambition of self-improvement, and not try to harvest chocolate crypto coins.
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