Why not first try to search on the topic or issue on which you need help, rather then directly creating the a new thread about it ?
Newbies will probably have some difficulty using the search system, but I do agree that it should be used more often. If we establish a smoother transition to board members onto the use of search over thread creation then perhaps you'll see a better cultural shift. I do think, though, that sometimes the threads that are being made are just spam threads. You do often see those typical generic vague question threads in Bitcoin Discussion, Trading Discussion, Economics, etc. 
Topic: How about restricting low rank people from opening new topics (Read 751 times)
I guess if newbies and few other low rank members will be restricted to get approval on their topic, we may somehow solve the hassles of frequent removal of topics.
Even not across all boards of this forum, restrictions of few discussion boards may help many active posters here.
The forum could not really do that. Restricting lower members to start new topic is a bad move to do for a forum. It is not actually a kind way to moderate the posts here. If it is implemented, it will be a bad image for the forum.
And there are actually new users that are asking and creating topics because they do have some business to discuss.
Restricting will not work.
I agree with you as a new member, I don't like the idea of not allowing new users to create threads. A lot of people like me come here to ask questions occasionally on things they're stuck on. It doesn't really make sense to deny that.
Why not first try to search on the topic or issue on which you need help, rather then directly creating the a new thread about it ?
If you have a habit of searching, you can find a lot of information and you do not need to create a new thread for the things which are already discussed number of times.
I guess if newbies and few other low rank members will be restricted to get approval on their topic, we may somehow solve the hassles of frequent removal of topics.
Even not across all boards of this forum, restrictions of few discussion boards may help many active posters here.
The forum could not really do that. Restricting lower members to start new topic is a bad move to do for a forum. It is not actually a kind way to moderate the posts here. If it is implemented, it will be a bad image for the forum.
And there are actually new users that are asking and creating topics because they do have some business to discuss.
Restricting will not work.
I agree with you as a new member, I don't like the idea of not allowing new users to create threads. A lot of people like me come here to ask questions occasionally on things they're stuck on. It doesn't really make sense to deny that.
I guess if newbies and few other low rank members will be restricted to get approval on their topic, we may somehow solve the hassles of frequent removal of topics.
Even not across all boards of this forum, restrictions of few discussion boards may help many active posters here.
The forum could not really do that. Restricting lower members to start new topic is a bad move to do for a forum. It is not actually a kind way to moderate the posts here. If it is implemented, it will be a bad image for the forum.
And there are actually new users that are asking and creating topics because they do have some business to discuss.
Restricting will not work.
I extremely disagree with restricting newbies to open new topics, they had a right to ask, and WE higher rank will help them as much we can do.
If they posted a topic in a wrong board/section WE can correct them, if they will not abide by the rules in the forum without knowing them, WE can advise them. If they posted that against forum rules and spamming thread just like what happened yesterday there's a bunch of newbies posted with their scam ref links, WE can report them and moderators will do the rest.
This how our bitcoin community group will works, helping each other in a legal way. But we don't tolerate bad habits that maybe will harm the forum someday. Newbies are welcome to our community because that's the reason why satoshi made this community and we are all here starting with a scratch as a newbie.
If they posted a topic in a wrong board/section WE can correct them, if they will not abide by the rules in the forum without knowing them, WE can advise them. If they posted that against forum rules and spamming thread just like what happened yesterday there's a bunch of newbies posted with their scam ref links, WE can report them and moderators will do the rest.
This how our bitcoin community group will works, helping each other in a legal way. But we don't tolerate bad habits that maybe will harm the forum someday. Newbies are welcome to our community because that's the reason why satoshi made this community and we are all here starting with a scratch as a newbie.
Newbies have to start somewhere right? If several of their posts gets deleted frequently they themselves will know what the problem is and they can either as other members here in the forum or find out for themselves why their posts are getting deleted most of the time. They'll try to improve of themselves by having this kind of mistakes and will try to do better next time so their topics that they are really interested in won't be deleted. Simply restricting them for posting more topics won't let them learn anything from it since it doesn't guarantee anything about the improvement of their post.
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But with regards to newbies who came here just to join bounties and do nothing except posting social media reports everyday? Nah I barely agree with that. I am not against to them or the bounty itself because I understand that advertising works that way, but honestly I find such act unhealthy. I can't help but to feel annoyed every time I bump into someone's history and see nothing but twitter and fb links tsk. What seems right now is that those members are like robots who just came here to work and not to learn. Sad but true
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That's the most disturbing, and in fact, bounty hunters will almost never create new topics.But with regards to newbies who came here just to join bounties and do nothing except posting social media reports everyday? Nah I barely agree with that. I am not against to them or the bounty itself because I understand that advertising works that way, but honestly I find such act unhealthy. I can't help but to feel annoyed every time I bump into someone's history and see nothing but twitter and fb links tsk. What seems right now is that those members are like robots who just came here to work and not to learn. Sad but true
.I have a different point of view about "low rank".
And I would think many times to restrict low ranks or new users to create topics if possible like them : 1,2, 3, 4
It would be better to make a few limits on them: 1, 2, 3
I am not capable of identifying a bullshit topic but I do believe mods are.
New users should not be restricted from joining the forum or asking questions, and creating their own topics. Bitcoin is for everyone and the forum where Bitcoin is discussed should be available to whoever wants to join. Try to be careful where you post to avoid getting your posts deleted if the thread gets trashed. Avoid threads that add nothing new to the discussion and topics that have been discussed over and over again. If most posts have derailed far off-topic from the original OP, and nobody is discussing the OP anymore, that's a topic to avoid.
How about those newbies who are conducting bounty programs? those who have a question regarding to the forum or crypto? Don`t make it a whole. We have different purposes why we are here.
I want to emphasize something but no offense dude, this is just my opinion 
. There's no problem with those newbies who make thread to ask questions as long as it is not generic to the highest level (e.g. "what is bitcoin?", "who is satodhi?" etc.). But with regards to newbies who came here just to join bounties and do nothing except posting social media reports everyday? Nah I barely agree with that. I am not against to them or the bounty itself because I understand that advertising works that way, but honestly I find such act unhealthy. I can't help but to feel annoyed every time I bump into someone's history and see nothing but twitter and fb links tsk. What seems right now is that those members are like robots who just came here to work and not to learn. Sad but true
. Nevertheless, I am still against on prohibiting newbies on creating topics because it compromises the freedom of speech. I guess the least we can do to maintain the cleanliness of our forum not only depends on our mods since we can also do something. Let's be more active on reporting useless posts.
there are an awful lot of newbie restrictions, and I don't want the forum to be unwelcoming to good newbies.
Restrictions of newbies from participating here is against the rules of this forum as theymos is not in support of it. Some newbies are good questionnaires and beneficial quality posters, so will would really miss out on this if they're restricted. But if you're incapable of posting anything worthwhile, then you will never rank up, and you shouldn't: this isn't the forum for you.
Everyone needs to rank up here, the only way to do so is to be a quality poster, contribute positively for the betterment of the forum, failure to exhibit such results to inability to rank up AMD shouldn't be ranked up at all. 
How about those newbies who are conducting bounty programs? those who have a question regarding to the forum or crypto? Don`t make it a whole. We have different purposes why we are here. And if there will become a restriction from posting or opening a new topic, it may have a discrimination in rank in this forum. We are all free here to post, but we must have all the responsibility to put a non copy pasted and repeated post.
Not all newbies I have seen are spamming the post by their repetitive question which is answerable. There are some who are putting much effort in their post. Therefore, do not make it as a whole.
Not all newbies I have seen are spamming the post by their repetitive question which is answerable. There are some who are putting much effort in their post. Therefore, do not make it as a whole.
First of all why someone have to post on such threads?
Here's one reason:http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5469/54692723.html
http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5469/54692565.html
http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5469/54692560.html
http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5469/54692556.html
I've suggested this in the past. I don't think it would be a bad thing if all new users are essentially shadowbanned until a mod has approved their post or account. It would at least get rid of bots pretty effectively.
You will lose them if it takes days to approve the post. In addition with spam replies, moderating posts and approving topic will be a huge pain for the moderators...Why would we lose them? Waiting for a publishing approval is far the best option to get rid of newbie's repetitive/duplicated and/or trash posting. I've also saw recently that there are a lot of newbie topic makers in which is too cliche to ask, most likely on the Bitcoin Discussion board, Meta, and Beginner's and Help (pretty understandable). And if they are really skillful and motivated enough, why wouldn't they wait?
Maybe if a newbie post approval isn't acceptable by other users and the administration, I think it would be better if their post were limited by 500 characters. This isn't a hard thing to do especially if they really are browsing and trying to gain knowledge in the forum. In that case, they will be forced to make their post lengthy and with length comes ofcourse numerous ideas to be built. Though it's kinda harsh to the new comers, it would somehow strengthen the quality of the forum.
First of all why someone have to post on such threads? Even if you are giving valid replies it will be deleted when it gets reluctant.
Newbies should not be restricted from creating threads because literally newbies are the one who needs to ask any queries, if we stop them then who is going to ask queries for legendaries to answer them?
Newbies should not be restricted from creating threads because literally newbies are the one who needs to ask any queries, if we stop them then who is going to ask queries for legendaries to answer them?
Yeah, I guess newbies ask a lot of question more often than high ranks, most of the time they don't know a lot of things they are going to post here in the forum to get some answers from the other experience which is a good thing and that is how it supposed to work or its the goal of the forum.
I think it's not necessary to restrict them from posting new topics if they broke the rules they are going to be banned for days or even permabanned and its already enough.
Also, we could just report it to moderator if we see that something is wrong.
Newbie jail was a thing in the earlier stages of the forum. Newbies were previously only allowed to post in one specific section and was allowed to post in the other parts of the forum after a specified number of posts. Needless to say, it did help with the spam by limiting it to a section but given that bounties, ICOs and signature programs were not popular back then, the effects wasn't very significant.
By limiting the topics that those with a lower rank can post in, they would probably just spam up the forum with replies until they are allowed to open new topics. I imagine that account trading could also rise due to this.
By limiting the topics that those with a lower rank can post in, they would probably just spam up the forum with replies until they are allowed to open new topics. I imagine that account trading could also rise due to this.
I guess if newbies and few other low rank members will be restricted to get approval on their topic, we may somehow solve the hassles of frequent removal of topics.
Upto which forum members do you consider are low rank except Newbies ? I am a member and i sometimes open thread even in Meta to discuss or ask something which is totally relevant so you consider Newbie, Jr Member and Member low ranked, then i will be denied to this, which is not right.
Secondly, if you say that Newbies should not be allowed to post a thread then we must know that all the Newbies does not come here to post and discuss things. Few of them only make the account to advertise their services and sites. Restricting them will be indirectly denying them to post their services.
First of all why someone have to post on such threads? Even if you are giving valid replies it will be deleted when it gets reluctant.
Newbies should not be restricted from creating threads because literally newbies are the one who needs to ask any queries, if we stop them then who is going to ask queries for legendaries to answer them?
Newbies should not be restricted from creating threads because literally newbies are the one who needs to ask any queries, if we stop them then who is going to ask queries for legendaries to answer them?
Report the thread, not the newbie. As simple as that. Multiple reports coming on the same thread creator will bring in some more restrictions and thus give the mods the warrant to ban/nuke the user.
Restricting someone from creating new threads is against what a forum is. A forum is a place for discussion and keeping aside the fact that this forum has a problem of repetitive topics which is unique to the problems of this forum, it would be a discriminatory practice for the new members who are joining.
There are bots, I agree. But the way to fight them is to report their posts. No need to engage them at all, let mods do their job and we do our part.
Restricting someone from creating new threads is against what a forum is. A forum is a place for discussion and keeping aside the fact that this forum has a problem of repetitive topics which is unique to the problems of this forum, it would be a discriminatory practice for the new members who are joining.
There are bots, I agree. But the way to fight them is to report their posts. No need to engage them at all, let mods do their job and we do our part.
Last 2 weeks, I noticed lost of topics got deleted and then I learned these are most common here as low value/repeated topics/discussions are being removed continuously.
I do choose the topics more carefully still I find my count varies time to time. It is really disappointing to see after writing posts up to the level of feeling pain on my mind.
Any possible solution for this year long existing problem?
I guess if newbies and few other low rank members will be restricted to get approval on their topic, we may somehow solve the hassles of frequent removal of topics.
I do choose the topics more carefully still I find my count varies time to time. It is really disappointing to see after writing posts up to the level of feeling pain on my mind.
Any possible solution for this year long existing problem?
I guess if newbies and few other low rank members will be restricted to get approval on their topic, we may somehow solve the hassles of frequent removal of topics.
And if there's restriction, do you think newbies that are willing to contribute to the forum will want to stay?
Like you have said, repeated or low value post are the ones getting deleted here, if you notice reduction in your post count, then it's due to one of the reasons you stated. Moderators are only doing their part. There are lot of reports they deal with every minute/hour.
Last 2 weeks, I noticed lost of topics got deleted and then I learned these are most common here as low value/repeated topics/discussions are being removed continuously.
I do choose the topics more carefully still I find my count varies time to time. It is really disappointing to see after writing posts up to the level of feeling pain on my mind.
I do choose the topics more carefully still I find my count varies time to time. It is really disappointing to see after writing posts up to the level of feeling pain on my mind.
Why generalize people, in the past I have 6 of my topics and posts deleted and I have no problem with that, if you think that topic and some posts are out of direction you are free to report, moderators already has a lot of works considering the huge number of posts and threads created, just do your share and report bad posts.
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