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sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
July 22, 2022, 04:10:04 AM
No one knows something that others don't especially in the Bitcoin price which cannot be manipulated that easy as someone can EUR or USD money.That is one of the strongest points of Bitcoin as the new form of money,having decentralization as its key point.I don't think we care much what Elon Musk does or does not since that eventful May 2021 which he caused a massive crash to Bitcoin because everyone was amazed as to what he was doing with Bitcoin and how he was embracing it before such a turn off event.For the moment the price of Bitcoin and Ethereum are still holding where they were even with such 75% of Musk sale of Bitcoin so I don't think we should worry that much.

This means that people with a lot of money are very careful, how many times I heard sheeps and trolls saying the rich never sells any, they keep the coins, so it means that, people who hoards like saylor and others even sakamoto himself will sell when their price target is met, need to be very careful in the wild west.
legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
July 22, 2022, 02:31:35 AM
It was just reported today that Elon Musk sold 75% of his btc, I guess he knows something we don't ehhe

Who knows? Maybe he hired people to do an investigation after the Luna collapse. And his advisors told him to sell because due Luna and UST going to 0 pretty much it'll set off a huge liquidation cascade which is pretty much what happened afterwards.

He did state that he might rebuy in the future and he also didn't sell his entire position so he might not be out of crypto completely. Or is was a decision by his board that he needs to protect Tesla's cash incase there is a big recession coming up.

No one knows something that others don't especially in the Bitcoin price which cannot be manipulated that easy as someone can EUR or USD money.That is one of the strongest points of Bitcoin as the new form of money,having decentralization as its key point.I don't think we care much what Elon Musk does or does not since that eventful May 2021 which he caused a massive crash to Bitcoin because everyone was amazed as to what he was doing with Bitcoin and how he was embracing it before such a turn off event.For the moment the price of Bitcoin and Ethereum are still holding where they were even with such 75% of Musk sale of Bitcoin so I don't think we should worry that much.
legendary
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July 21, 2022, 11:50:51 PM
It was just reported today that Elon Musk sold 75% of his btc, I guess he knows something we don't ehhe

Who knows? Maybe he hired people to do an investigation after the Luna collapse. And his advisors told him to sell because due Luna and UST going to 0 pretty much it'll set off a huge liquidation cascade which is pretty much what happened afterwards.

He did state that he might rebuy in the future and he also didn't sell his entire position so he might not be out of crypto completely. Or is was a decision by his board that he needs to protect Tesla's cash incase there is a big recession coming up.
legendary
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July 21, 2022, 01:49:35 AM
It was just reported today that Elon Musk sold 75% of his btc, I guess he knows something we don't ehhe

Or perhaps couldn’t have the position remain at loss. I heard something about the balance sheet too. Tesla did take a nice loss from that though..

I remember in 2015 being so bored with mining that I decided to mod all my Bitcoin ASICs at the time. Back then there was little profit in GPUs most people just mined BTC with ASICs.

I had Antminer S3 that I made very quiet, enough to keep in an office.
A loud Antminer S4 where I modded the voltage and made it as efficient as an Antminer S5.
An S5 which I spend probably $50 on some very expensive (forgot the brand) high flow/quiet case fans to make it bareable to sleep in the same room.

Another s5 where I took an actual car muffler and tried to make it quiet. It was quieter however was just too bulky.

Those were the fun days.

Cheesy
sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
July 21, 2022, 01:46:21 AM
It was just reported today that Elon Musk sold 75% of his btc, I guess he knows something we don't ehhe
legendary
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Merit: 1708
July 20, 2022, 11:59:09 PM
I remember in 2015 being so bored with mining that I decided to mod all my Bitcoin ASICs at the time. Back then there was little profit in GPUs most people just mined BTC with ASICs.

I had Antminer S3 that I made very quiet, enough to keep in an office.
A loud Antminer S4 where I modded the voltage and made it as efficient as an Antminer S5.
An S5 which I spend probably $50 on some very expensive (forgot the brand) high flow/quiet case fans to make it bareable to sleep in the same room.

Another s5 where I took an actual car muffler and tried to make it quiet. It was quieter however was just too bulky.

Those were the fun days.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
July 20, 2022, 10:11:48 PM
Down the road into a bear market what can a new miner except from a 500MH mining farm? How incredibly bad can this get? 5$? 8$? Asking those who are here before in 2018 so I can know what's awaiting me.

Lol if you are asking if crypto can straight slap ypu in the face it can ha!  Seriously there is no telling how bad prices and/or profitability of mining will get.  In 2015 it was straight brutal but those who stuck it out got paid nicely, same with other cycles.  Will this one be the same...maybe?  Honest answer is don't expect profits and just be gladly surprised if you do profit.  Have fun with it and be part of history.  Who knows..

Yeah I did okay and not okay and okay and not okay. Can't be sure what is next.
legendary
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July 20, 2022, 07:32:53 PM
Down the road into a bear market what can a new miner except from a 500MH mining farm? How incredibly bad can this get? 5$? 8$? Asking those who are here before in 2018 so I can know what's awaiting me.

Lol if you are asking if crypto can straight slap ypu in the face it can ha!  Seriously there is no telling how bad prices and/or profitability of mining will get.  In 2015 it was straight brutal but those who stuck it out got paid nicely, same with other cycles.  Will this one be the same...maybe?  Honest answer is don't expect profits and just be gladly surprised if you do profit.  Have fun with it and be part of history.  Who knows..
legendary
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July 20, 2022, 10:02:11 AM
There are a lot of video cards in mining, so even manufacturers are postponing the sale of new models, because the secondary market is crowded. For video cards to be in demand, a new coin is needed, and there are no such coins yet. Ethereum mining will end and the price of other coins may fall in a bear market, then mining on video cards will be boring.

Yeah it’ll be 2015 all over again. GPU mining was so boring and unprofitable that i switched to Bitcoin ASICs because there was profits there while with GPUs there wasn’t.

There were more POW coins then, much more than today. However the miner supply and the low market cap made them a waste of time to mine prettt much. Dash was probably #1 POW coin then, however the profits weren’t that great.

Same will happen now most likely.
In 2015, asics did not have a consumption of 3 kilowatts, and they could be used at home. I even remember silent models.
But modern asics consume a lot and are noisy. They are not suitable for most miners.

3kw miner is just about right for 1 20A breaker with 1 outlet..home "minimal" miner will just manage 1 equipment.
Until the neighbors complain about the noise... Smiley

LOL, yeah, fuck them..apartment(large room type) maybe..but for houses that does not share a wall or walls, i think it is good enough.

a storage room or basement will make it quiet enough for a home occupant, unless it is almost as loud as a hammer drill, drilling through cement then yeah it is noisy.
My friend in the village has ASICs in the garage. His plot of land is more than 20 acres, but neighbors hear this noise at night. Asics are very noisy. He does not want to spend money on expensive soundproofing and ventilation. Even 5 ASICs are already a problem in a private house, you yourself will be bothered by the noise.
legendary
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July 15, 2022, 07:35:51 PM
There are a lot of video cards in mining, so even manufacturers are postponing the sale of new models, because the secondary market is crowded. For video cards to be in demand, a new coin is needed, and there are no such coins yet. Ethereum mining will end and the price of other coins may fall in a bear market, then mining on video cards will be boring.

Yeah it’ll be 2015 all over again. GPU mining was so boring and unprofitable that i switched to Bitcoin ASICs because there was profits there while with GPUs there wasn’t.

There were more POW coins then, much more than today. However the miner supply and the low market cap made them a waste of time to mine prettt much. Dash was probably #1 POW coin then, however the profits weren’t that great.

Same will happen now most likely.
In 2015, asics did not have a consumption of 3 kilowatts, and they could be used at home. I even remember silent models.
But modern asics consume a lot and are noisy. They are not suitable for most miners.

3kw miner is just about right for 1 20A breaker with 1 outlet..home "minimal" miner will just manage 1 equipment.
Until the neighbors complain about the noise... Smiley

LOL, yeah, fuck them..apartment(large room type) maybe..but for houses that does not share a wall or walls, i think it is good enough.

a storage room or basement will make it quiet enough for a home occupant, unless it is almost as loud as a hammer drill, drilling through cement then yeah it is noisy.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1026
July 15, 2022, 01:22:52 PM
There are a lot of video cards in mining, so even manufacturers are postponing the sale of new models, because the secondary market is crowded. For video cards to be in demand, a new coin is needed, and there are no such coins yet. Ethereum mining will end and the price of other coins may fall in a bear market, then mining on video cards will be boring.

Yeah it’ll be 2015 all over again. GPU mining was so boring and unprofitable that i switched to Bitcoin ASICs because there was profits there while with GPUs there wasn’t.

There were more POW coins then, much more than today. However the miner supply and the low market cap made them a waste of time to mine prettt much. Dash was probably #1 POW coin then, however the profits weren’t that great.

Same will happen now most likely.
In 2015, asics did not have a consumption of 3 kilowatts, and they could be used at home. I even remember silent models.
But modern asics consume a lot and are noisy. They are not suitable for most miners.

3kw miner is just about right for 1 20A breaker with 1 outlet..home "minimal" miner will just manage 1 equipment.
Until the neighbors complain about the noise... Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3388
Merit: 1059
July 14, 2022, 11:20:24 AM
There are a lot of video cards in mining, so even manufacturers are postponing the sale of new models, because the secondary market is crowded. For video cards to be in demand, a new coin is needed, and there are no such coins yet. Ethereum mining will end and the price of other coins may fall in a bear market, then mining on video cards will be boring.

Yeah it’ll be 2015 all over again. GPU mining was so boring and unprofitable that i switched to Bitcoin ASICs because there was profits there while with GPUs there wasn’t.

There were more POW coins then, much more than today. However the miner supply and the low market cap made them a waste of time to mine prettt much. Dash was probably #1 POW coin then, however the profits weren’t that great.

Same will happen now most likely.
In 2015, asics did not have a consumption of 3 kilowatts, and they could be used at home. I even remember silent models.
But modern asics consume a lot and are noisy. They are not suitable for most miners.

3kw miner is just about right for 1 20A breaker with 1 outlet..home "minimal" miner will just manage 1 equipment.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1026
July 14, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
There are a lot of video cards in mining, so even manufacturers are postponing the sale of new models, because the secondary market is crowded. For video cards to be in demand, a new coin is needed, and there are no such coins yet. Ethereum mining will end and the price of other coins may fall in a bear market, then mining on video cards will be boring.

Yeah it’ll be 2015 all over again. GPU mining was so boring and unprofitable that i switched to Bitcoin ASICs because there was profits there while with GPUs there wasn’t.

There were more POW coins then, much more than today. However the miner supply and the low market cap made them a waste of time to mine prettt much. Dash was probably #1 POW coin then, however the profits weren’t that great.

Same will happen now most likely.
In 2015, asics did not have a consumption of 3 kilowatts, and they could be used at home. I even remember silent models.
But modern asics consume a lot and are noisy. They are not suitable for most miners.
full member
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July 14, 2022, 10:12:25 AM
This time it will be much worse, because people are under the impression that they will mine 2-3 years in red and then resurface in the next bull run, that will probably be the case with BTC but not with other coins, maybe one in a thousand.


legendary
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July 13, 2022, 11:26:33 PM
There are a lot of video cards in mining, so even manufacturers are postponing the sale of new models, because the secondary market is crowded. For video cards to be in demand, a new coin is needed, and there are no such coins yet. Ethereum mining will end and the price of other coins may fall in a bear market, then mining on video cards will be boring.

Yeah it’ll be 2015 all over again. GPU mining was so boring and unprofitable that i switched to Bitcoin ASICs because there was profits there while with GPUs there wasn’t.

There were more POW coins then, much more than today. However the miner supply and the low market cap made them a waste of time to mine prettt much. Dash was probably #1 POW coin then, however the profits weren’t that great.

Same will happen now most likely.
sr. member
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July 13, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
GPU mining will never die. ETH might die if the PoS transition fails.
legendary
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July 13, 2022, 02:32:21 PM
There are a lot of video cards in mining, so even manufacturers are postponing the sale of new models, because the secondary market is crowded. For video cards to be in demand, a new coin is needed, and there are no such coins yet. Ethereum mining will end and the price of other coins may fall in a bear market, then mining on video cards will be boring.
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July 13, 2022, 02:18:08 PM
Safer bet would be to invest in BTC after next big dip sub $10K
How is that not a gamble too? At least with video cards, the investment can only lose half of it's value.


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I think Coinfarm ventures meant the investment can only lose half' because the overall cost isn't just the total value of the GPUs and rigs but also from the money made back from ETH mining. I know GPUs now cost half of it in early 2022. Used GPU is usually priced around 50-70% of a new one if it still has the warranty. So anyone invested in early 2022, their investment value right now:  
_ GPUs = 50-70% price of the new GPU now.
_ Around 6 months of profit from ETH mining.
That would easily cover over half of the price of GPUs back in early 2022, if not more.
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July 13, 2022, 12:46:38 PM
Safer bet would be to invest in BTC after next big dip sub $10K
How is that not a gamble too? At least with video cards, the investment can only lose half of it's value.


Maybe I formulated that sentence wrong, I meant to say that if you want to put some money in crypto you can drop same amount of money with lees energy and time if you buy the coin in the first place.


We know how BTC story goes, only 1% of human mankind using it currently, at the same time flow of BTC is lower and lower after every halving, by the end of  this year we should have some new regulating laws across EU that will finally make path for corporate money to go in BTC full speed ahead not only dip in toe finger but completely. That looks as something worth investing from the current perspective, if path stays clear from obstructions from governments.




Video cards can lose only half?
It can lose much more if you buy at the top of mining cycle, and sell in the bear market after new generation goes on the shelf + price of electricity

Keep in mind that you cannot expect same pattern like we had with Nvidia 10xx and AMD 5xx, 4xx in this cycle where people sold old stuff higher then they paid them in 2017-2018.
I hear a lot of noise from youtubers about accumulating cards and sell them on new cycle, that seems like using last cycle pattern that could easily be complete wrong path especially if asic mining prevail completely.




 


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July 13, 2022, 11:59:46 AM
Safer bet would be to invest in BTC after next big dip sub $10K
How is that not a gamble too? At least with video cards, the investment can only lose half of it's value.
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