Topic: How can we help beginners not to get addicted - page 17. (Read 4088 times)

I totally agree with your explanation, @panjul07. I find it strange for someone to think that addiction can be escaped when one is able to know the math behind winning and losing. 

@murkyz, It's even possible to know the math behind game odds and still lose your bets mercilessly. Most of the time, some people argue that blackjack is a game which requires a good skill of the gamblers as to make more wins, so people suggest that blackjack gives a 50% chance of winning. If you look at it closely, 50% is not even a great chance of winning because the game is still based on a 50/50 chance to lose and a 50% chance to win, so anytime the luck comes to the gamblers, that's when he or she will win the game. 

Addiction starts in the mind, when a gambler has a misconception about gambling, believing that he or she can make money through gambling or that he or she can win jackpots and make an abrupt amount of money over night, which can make them a millionaire overnight. Gambling addiction starts in different ways, and the only way a newbie can overcome it is to first realize themselves and acknowledge the fact that they are either deeply or gradually becoming addicted. 

Yes, educating newbie gamblers is the right option, but the challenging aspect of it is that not all new gamblers are exposed to learning or close to an expert who would guide them on ways to be responsible. I only wonder why they get to learn about chasing loss but fail to see or hear from anybody about gambling responsibly. Despite being written boldly on the casino. From the reaction of players towards losses, it proves the emotional defeat gambling has on the players. We all lose money differently in life, but not everyone cares about getting them back. Reverse is the case in gambling.

An increasing number of players tend to go after their losses involuntary, against their control. Those impulses drags both the newbies and experienced gamblers, alike. Hence, when helping new gamblers avoid dreadful losses, it's crucial the new player works closely with an expert. Education involves reading, and practical approach. Although, some smart people can learn by reading alone, yet in gambling when those self control factors are not practiced. It's as good as not reading at all. In a nutshell, such new players who don't have any experienced player close by, need to stay close to online gambling communities where most relatively confusing experiences of his will be handled and made clear

Obviously, you are right ,I kind of agree with you very much with how you control your habit towards gambling, In general self control is something we shouldn't take for granted in all we do, this way you won't do things that will push towards addiction, Therefore, for newbies to avoid being addicted to gambling they must avoid couple of things like, greed and avoiding risking way much than what they can lose, because risking too much triggers people to start chasing loses when they lose money and this further graduates them into spending much time than what they should spend gambling, and Addiction now becomes the resultant effect.

Even if you know the math behind casino games or probability behind casino games, it wont help you to avoid addiction.
Addiction is more about mindset, emotion, and everything on how you deal with your own gambling habit.
Lets say you do not know the math behind the game, but you are so good in controlling your own gambling habits, you'll be able to avoid addiction.
Of course knowing the probability is good, because it will raise the awareness that our winning chance in gambling is smaller than the losing chance.

Addiction is a tricky thign at times they never know they are addicted until its already too late, just like someone who starts smoking or drinking, at times it could take do long for some to get addicted and others lesser.

The best way to reduce Addiction amongst beginners is to let then know the potential loss that gambling addiction can cause them and teach them how to control themselves, it's wrong to chase losses, but do you know when you are? These are questions that beginners should know and realise that such habits can lead them to incurring losses in gambling. So yeah I vote for education.

I agree with @madnessteat that saying novice must spend a lot of time and effort to have self control because that thing can prevents or avoids novice from the risks of playing gambling. Playing gambling gives risks to all people, including novice but the risks will be bigger for the novice because they will lack of all needed to enjoy the gambling. If novice can learn many things that's needed while playing gambling, they will not have to lose much money and they will also knows when they must stops playing gambling. They will not becomes addicted to gambling because they can avoids that before happens to them. But unfortunately, not many novice realizes this and many of them gets deeper in gambling without seeing that they have a problems that needs to solve.

I thought we were talking in this thread about helping newbies not become gambling addicts. Based on this I conclude that in order to fully learn to control themselves during gambling novice must spend a lot of time and effort. As a result, it turns out that at the initial stage, almost every gambler will lose more than he expected, trying to recoup past losses and make mistakes. And as you know, this can lead to gambling addiction. Does this mean that we can not warn newcomers from gambling addiction at the initial stage?

Oh, I like that approach. One at a time.
Truly, we cannot rush things if we want change but when it comes to addiction, in my experience the best way is to stop in a snap. I did it with my smoking habit. I can finish 10 sticks of cigarettes per day and when I drink alcohol I can finish a pack. One day my brain just keeps on thinking about my kids and I don't want them to smell the secondhand smoke in me. They are also getting sick many times so I stopped. It had been 5 years since my last smoke.
But I think it will be different when it comes to gambling. Some do prefer they can still play in the times when they are bored and I think that's fine as long as we know our limits. Sports betting might be the best way to control gambling habits because you don't have to be in front of the computer the whole day.

The biggest temptation for gamblers is indeed their own greed. they will never be enough with what they have gained, or do not dare to accept defeat.

since I use online gambling, usually handle this kind of thing by looking away for a moment. because if I focus too much, of course I will keep playing. When I look away from the gambling screen, I still have time to think more positively.

Imho beginner will either get a light form of addiction, which is probably just an excitiment for something new in his life and easy way how to earn, but by the time he gambles more and more, he will turn into matured gambler who will realize all the consequences of frequent gambling and will not get addicted in the end. Or he will not get hooked by gambling at all and not even get a light form of addiction.

Imho it is enough to give few tips about addiction in the beginning, and if person is not stupid, he will make conclusions out of that.

A beginner wont get addicted if he learns the math behind betting odds and casino games

Tbh most of people ignore it because the adrenaline rush from gambling is too much

Yes it might work, but I think it's unlikely because after all we can never rule out the many temptations that exist in gambling which are mostly and overall always the initial trigger for gamblers to feel curious until in the end they try again and yes return to the situation of regret. In fact, they already know that most likely the results at the end of the session will definitely be the same as before, namely losing but this is only easy to say and difficult to do, none other than because the temptation in gambling does look very tempting and difficult to miss.

Especially if they are irresponsible gamblers or they are losers who come with the intention and purpose of winning which when losing then usually they will be emotional and unable to accept the situation which is clear that what they will do next is chase defeat to restore something that has been lost, although it is quite impossible but curiosity and emotions based on desperation have a very strong impetus so that in the end there is only one decision that is to realize satisfaction and not think about whatever will happen at the end especially experiencing a much bigger loss.

when someone has gambled once and maybe they are curious to try it again and continue like that, it is possible that they could become addicted to gambling, if they are aware that this can make them addicted to gambling then they will restrain themselves from gambling by diverting their thinking. They are like what you said, when they want to gamble but are aware of the impact, they do other things that keep themselves busy, the aim of which is to eliminate the desire to gamble. but not everyone has this kind of awareness. Usually those who are addicted to gambling will continue to gamble until there is no end to it.

but indeed, if done consistently or with discipline, maybe this can help, by forcing ourselves to avoid gambling activities when we really want to gamble by diverting our thinking about wanting to gamble. and if you still want to gamble, hopefully you can set limits, have your own rules for what you do to prevent losses that could have a big impact on us.

Yes, it is the same with any other behavior, it is one day at a time.

If you want to exercise, just go, one day at a time. If you want to quit alcohol, just do it one day at a time.

It's the same with gambling. If it is a problem, then you can try not gambling, one day at a time.

It is important to do something else that is enjoyable for you instead of gambling. That way your mind will be busy in other things.

If it is a habit already then you’ll have to battle with yourself to do what is right, and sometimes you may not really do the proper thing. But what matters is that you constantly keep trying to follow the disciplined path. If you set a limit, do whatever it will cost to follow that goal. At first it’ll be difficult but over time, it gets easier and you’ll be used to doing what you say you will do.

Yes, the point is like that, because in most cases the main trigger is always a lack of understanding regarding what they actually do or what the field of gambling actually is, because clearly if someone has a straight understanding regarding gambling then I think they don't need to be told to apply limits or controls because they themselves certainly already know what they should do, especially to prevent themselves from undesirable things such as losing large amounts of money in gambling.

By having the correct understanding, they will know that pursuing victory in gambling is the wrong action, or that gambling when they are in an impossible situation such as being tired or in the middle of another activity is a decision that should not be made. But yes, as you said, there are always some people who immediately jump into doing something because of the encouragement from the success achieved by other people, such as other people who managed to get big wins which indirectly makes them jump in without first considering the positive side and The negatives that exist in gambling are ultimately clear such decisions will only lead themselves to many potential disasters. I think one of the reasons why a gambler who is addicted is difficult to overcome is because from the start they came without having a proper understanding of what gambling really is so it is clear that this makes it difficult for them to get out of the addiction zone.

I agree, it is often assumed by those that are not rich, that those that are got there because they were lucky or inherited that money, however the research shows that the majority of those that are rich are responsible for their own success, so even if one day they found themselves to be without any money for some reason, it will be just a matter of time until they became rich again, showing very clearly that the main difference between those that are rich and those that are not strives on the skills and techniques they use to manage their money.

Most of the new gamblers do not understand the risk of gambling. They think that they can make a profit even if they bet. The addiction of this profit gradually leads them to addiction the parents have to play the most responsibility to stop the gambling addiction of the new ones. Measures should be taken for that we have to think from the point of view of moral and Islamic values. It is possible to save from the horrors of gambling through united awareness.

on my mind there is no point in gambling here. financial mindsets and the ability to manage resources effectively play significant roles. The adage 'the rich get richer, and the poor stay poor' can also reflect different attitudes toward risk-taking. For instance, if you take everything away from a wealthy person, they might soon regain their wealth due to their established financial acumen and networks. And If you give a million dollars to someone who has historically struggled financially, it's quite possible that, after a while, they may find themselves without money again. This often occurs due to a lack of experience with managing large sums of money and the necessary financial planning skills to sustain wealth over time.
Ultimately, the outcome depends heavily on one's mindset, understanding of risk, and financial management skills.

Addiction have nothing to do with a skill of handling money or stupidity. It's a chemical process, that some people are more susceptible to. Getting addicted is not a choice, and often happens without our noticing it, like having fun in a warm water, but realizing slowly we are a crab that slowly gets boiled.

History is full of rich people that ended up dead and poor and forgotten because of untreated addiction and other mental disorders. And rich people gettiing addicted to gambling is quite common, because money is something they are familiar with, so, change to win lots of more or lose it raises excitement easily. And their brains just want it more. It's a chemical thing and brain wiring. Not a matter of being responsible or sensible around money. If it's not a casino they are gambling on, it might be day trading or markets in general.

And from my experience, there's a change that these broke ex rich people won't get bailed out by their friends, as they fake not having problems until the end, when everything is either lost or gained back. Poorness is just too shameful for them so they might not even tell their partners or close friends that they have problems.

And something that  happened at least one associate of mine, that he got rejected by his old circle of friends, who avoid him after getting broke. Poorness to rich people is sometimes a reminder it can happen to them as well, so my guess is that they will avoid it like a disease, because they assosiate it to wrong ideology, wrong crowd and weakness. That was sad to watch.