Topic: How Do You Convince Someone On Something That Will Not Work (Read 239 times)
Well I just convinced him to slow down after experiencing losses in the early rounds and showing the many articles that martingale would not work, he gave his bonus to his and just allocated a small portion to gamble and promised that he would not spend a lot of times to gamble, I don't know if he can keep his promises but he can do research on his own and decides if he wants to pursue gambling, locking this thread now.
There are people that don't have a strong mental construct to deal with situation of financial joy specially the one that occurred spontaneously with gamble he never expected but out of a first time trial it just happened. Before you know it they get absorbed by the delusion that by increasing their wagering they are going to get a bigger chance of winning big amount.
When we having a conversation with people for the first time or people that it has been long we last saw, we shouldn't introduce gambling in the discussion no matter how interesting the conversation gets, as we don't know what circumstance and situation that person has been facing and probably have been cracking his head to think of something to fetch him money, and now you have brought one up, gambling, and behind you he gave it a test and it was in his favour and you expect him to listen to any advise you have to say to talk him down from continuing.... Hell no.
It would have been better you never chip in the discuss when you both first met.
When we having a conversation with people for the first time or people that it has been long we last saw, we shouldn't introduce gambling in the discussion no matter how interesting the conversation gets, as we don't know what circumstance and situation that person has been facing and probably have been cracking his head to think of something to fetch him money, and now you have brought one up, gambling, and behind you he gave it a test and it was in his favour and you expect him to listen to any advise you have to say to talk him down from continuing.... Hell no.
It would have been better you never chip in the discuss when you both first met.
This is a case of getting addicted to winning because of beginner's luck, your friend is just too excited for a chance to make money from an old trick that kept victimizing newbies, I don't think even a good explanation will discourage him from going with his plan, so just guide him and monitor him and let him find out about the truth in gambling, it will hurt but he will learn the facts and the facts will guide him on his next moves if he wants to proceed or give up.
We all have an episode like this, it is just unfortunate that your friend will find it out in the early days of his gambling days.
We all have an episode like this, it is just unfortunate that your friend will find it out in the early days of his gambling days.
While strolling in a park I bumped into an old friend with whom I had a conversation about online gambling we had a long conversation some three weeks ago, actually the original topic was about Bitcoin but for some reason I mentioned online gambling using Bitcoin, and that what opened about a lengthy conversation about online gambling using Cryptocurrency.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
It's not bad to give him a reminder; as long as you just tell him that the risk and method you mentioned, if any, are not really effective, that's all. Now, if he continues what he's doing, let him go.
At least you gave him a warning, and he can't blame you in the end if he loses a lot of money in the martingale. Maybe that friend of yours is a rich person. Because you know that the martingale requires you to have a lot of funds to win really big in gambling, and this is often done in dice games, and I don't know in other games, maybe in slots.
At some points, an outdated methodological system of an experienced gambler has the gamble some reliable tendencies to take winning in the gamble.
In gambling, plus and minus in a calculative logic is a good one.
First you should consider is if it has been favouring him because I don't see any form of our gone logics in gambling unless the organization or system is entirely dissolve or there are some probabilities of gambling skills and and prediction processes that are changed entirely in the system.
But if you found out your that of your friend is totally at the wrong side and obvious to you, you can talk to him about him not like one of arguement but a discussion.
You you want to take it indirectly personal to convince him, you can have yourself and some other person's for instance whom had been doomed at the cost of taking such measures of his because if he losts, your conscience should have you to be blamed but after your endivoirs to air your feeling's towards him out and he still fails you are conscience free.
Friends indeed are friends in need. Always do your best as you can.
In gambling, plus and minus in a calculative logic is a good one.
First you should consider is if it has been favouring him because I don't see any form of our gone logics in gambling unless the organization or system is entirely dissolve or there are some probabilities of gambling skills and and prediction processes that are changed entirely in the system.
But if you found out your that of your friend is totally at the wrong side and obvious to you, you can talk to him about him not like one of arguement but a discussion.
You you want to take it indirectly personal to convince him, you can have yourself and some other person's for instance whom had been doomed at the cost of taking such measures of his because if he losts, your conscience should have you to be blamed but after your endivoirs to air your feeling's towards him out and he still fails you are conscience free.
Friends indeed are friends in need. Always do your best as you can.
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You can advise him not to bet with big money because it will give him a bigger risk too. If he loses at gambling, he will definitely lose a large amount of money that he may not be able to deal with, especially if the money is for his vacation. He will probably lose the money to pay for his vacation because he has lost from gambling.
Yes, we should not discuss gambling when we are talking to other people, especially if they are old friends whom we rarely see. We don't know what developments they are getting so we have to be careful not to discuss gambling issues with just anyone.
Yes, we should not discuss gambling when we are talking to other people, especially if they are old friends whom we rarely see. We don't know what developments they are getting so we have to be careful not to discuss gambling issues with just anyone.
the best experience is simply feeling one's own mistakes.
I mean, maybe you dont need to discourage him by telling him that martingale will make him fail because it seems like your friend is too enthusiastic and is sure that he will use the martingale strategy successfully for gambling and on the other hand, your friend is too excited and is sure that the strategy will be successful in your efforts telling him about the failure of the strategy would only be in vain because he was already influenced by self confidence.
so its better for you to let him do what he wants to do and you just have to look at it. If it works, consider him lucky, but if he fails and loses his money, you can tell him all about the bad effects of the Martingale, which he will listen to well, even in the future.
I mean, maybe you dont need to discourage him by telling him that martingale will make him fail because it seems like your friend is too enthusiastic and is sure that he will use the martingale strategy successfully for gambling and on the other hand, your friend is too excited and is sure that the strategy will be successful in your efforts telling him about the failure of the strategy would only be in vain because he was already influenced by self confidence.
so its better for you to let him do what he wants to do and you just have to look at it. If it works, consider him lucky, but if he fails and loses his money, you can tell him all about the bad effects of the Martingale, which he will listen to well, even in the future.
the best method is to try to explain what are the advantages and risks of such a choice.
perhaps show other people's experiences, basic calculations, in short, clearly show the reality of the situation.
it's really hard to convince anyone.
In such cases, everyone believes they have found the deal of a lifetime even if every logical sign says otherwise! (If something seems to good to be true...)
As a friend, what you need to do is make things clear. Then let others decide. You can't force anyone...
perhaps show other people's experiences, basic calculations, in short, clearly show the reality of the situation.
it's really hard to convince anyone.
In such cases, everyone believes they have found the deal of a lifetime even if every logical sign says otherwise! (If something seems to good to be true...)
As a friend, what you need to do is make things clear. Then let others decide. You can't force anyone...
While strolling in a park I bumped into an old friend with whom I had a conversation about online gambling we had a long conversation some three weeks ago, actually the original topic was about Bitcoin but for some reason I mentioned online gambling using Bitcoin, and that what opened about a lengthy conversation about online gambling using Cryptocurrency.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
Don't try to stop him on what he do since if he is a close minded individual for sure he will not appreciate your advice but instead he feel bad about it and think about you are stopping him to earn a lot of money or worse he will just think about you are just jealous because he know something while you don't know anything.
So try to stay at current rate and just let him what he want to do then once he lost then try to give your words about the mistakes he do since for sure by that time he would provably listen since experience is best teacher and he would provably consider that huge lose and take your words seriously.
This is why we do see different conditions on particular gamblers on which there are ones who do able to control themselves and there are ones who do end up getting wrecked and totally lost up big
time with their money and the winnings that they had gained which it would be given back into the house and you would really be telling int yourself that you should have stopped completely
but well its already too late.
Just like on what others been saying it would be better that you should really be letting him be on what are the actions that he would be making.
You wont really be able to learn up something if you wont really be able to experience it for yourself.
It is really hard for us to tell someone to stop, knowing that some strategy works for them in gambling. If your friend suffers successive loss I think that was the perfect time to discourage him or her that there is no working strategy in gambling that keeps you winning. You just need a timing when doing this because one wrong move could end your friendship if that guy is not having your advice.
While strolling in a park I bumped into an old friend with whom I had a conversation about online gambling we had a long conversation some three weeks ago, actually the original topic was about Bitcoin but for some reason I mentioned online gambling using Bitcoin, and that what opened about a lengthy conversation about online gambling using Cryptocurrency.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
Don't try to stop him on what he do since if he is a close minded individual for sure he will not appreciate your advice but instead he feel bad about it and think about you are stopping him to earn a lot of money or worse he will just think about you are just jealous because he know something while you don't know anything.
So try to stay at current rate and just let him what he want to do then once he lost then try to give your words about the mistakes he do since for sure by that time he would provably listen since experience is best teacher and he would provably consider that huge lose and take your words seriously.
While strolling in a park I bumped into an old friend with whom I had a conversation about online gambling we had a long conversation some three weeks ago, actually the original topic was about Bitcoin but for some reason I mentioned online gambling using Bitcoin, and that what opened about a lengthy conversation about online gambling using Cryptocurrency.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
Don't try to stop him on what he do since if he is a close minded individual for sure he will not appreciate your advice but instead he feel bad about it and think about you are stopping him to earn a lot of money or worse he will just think about you are just jealous because he know something while you don't know anything.
So try to stay at current rate and just let him what he want to do then once he lost then try to give your words about the mistakes he do since for sure by that time he would provably listen since experience is best teacher and he would provably consider that huge lose and take your words seriously.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
There is no need to discourage him, just remind him that not everyday is a sunny day. He might find his luck on his first gameplay but luck may not be of his the next time he play. I believe he is old enough to decide things and weigh the situation and adjust his gameplay. Discouraging him may bring your conversation to an argument so much better to have a light approach by simply reminding the person. If he don't head your reminders then it is all his fault, and he can't blame you because you already told him of the possibilities.
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
There is nothing wrong talking about online gambling to newbies, what is wrong is hyping them to engage in such activities.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
First of all, discuss him about his gambling habits. Ask if he is a frequent gambler or if he gambles purely for entertainment as the answer will depend on the method you will be using. Second, after knowing such information, you can at least recommend him another method of gambling which is less-risky compared to the Martingale strategy. Lastly, if he still wants to use this strategy, then let him be. Convincing someone into changing something that they have been used into doing so will be futile as they are already decided with their strategy.
Though this may be the case, the determining factor here is his goal on why he gambles- does he gamble for profit; or for entertainment?
If he gambles for profit, then I would definitely try my best to suggest to him other methods in order to at least guide him in the process. Whereas if he gambles for entertainment, then let him play whatever strategy he desires.
You said that your friend has been successful with his run with that Martingale strategy which means that even if you try to convince him, you'll probably going to fail because he's got a bias that it's effective to him and that he might argue that he might be an exception to the rule, have you seen it for yourself OP? That your friend is winning a lot of money because if not then there's the possibility that he's lying because if I win something big like tripling my bankroll, I would probably screenshot that to capture the moment right? But that lying part is just a possibility, I don't think that it's your duty to convince that friend to stop them from doing something that's worked for them anyways, I say that let him find out the hard way.
While strolling in a park I bumped into an old friend with whom I had a conversation about online gambling we had a long conversation some three weeks ago, actually the original topic was about Bitcoin but for some reason I mentioned online gambling using Bitcoin, and that what opened about a lengthy conversation about online gambling using Cryptocurrency.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
Warn him. I think that's the best you could do. I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
When your friend entered the world of gambling, I hope he knew the risk that he was taking by doing so. Because there are individuals who heard about one popular casino, and signed up but had no idea what they were doing.
Then the one thing that mostly happens after the sign-up is the trap. He is now living it. It's not beginner's luck but these are baits to make people play more. He will definitely win while he is a non-VIP, I could tell because I've been there, withdrawn a lot of times from my winnings, but now that I am a VIP, I cannot seem to find that same luck that I had before, whatever the strategy I make especially with the casino games and the originals.
"Martingale is for people with deep pockets." That's what I would tell to my friend who is on his way to using that kind of strategy.
out and would really be feeling sorry on the time that he would be experiencing those problems specially with gambling losses on which it is really that common.
While strolling in a park I bumped into an old friend with whom I had a conversation about online gambling we had a long conversation some three weeks ago, actually the original topic was about Bitcoin but for some reason I mentioned online gambling using Bitcoin, and that what opened about a lengthy conversation about online gambling using Cryptocurrency.
I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
Warn him. I think that's the best you could do. I didn't know that he signed up for one popular casino that I mentioned he started to play there and had huge success using one of the oldest but ineffective methods which is Martingale, I was just surprised that he had a successful run using a variation of martingale on Dice even mentioning of doubling or tripling his bankroll.
He is about to deposit a huge amount of money next week because the holiday is very near and he just wants to explore his so-called new-found method, which is not new to us.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
When your friend entered the world of gambling, I hope he knew the risk that he was taking by doing so. Because there are individuals who heard about one popular casino, and signed up but had no idea what they were doing.
Then the one thing that mostly happens after the sign-up is the trap. He is now living it. It's not beginner's luck but these are baits to make people play more. He will definitely win while he is a non-VIP, I could tell because I've been there, withdrawn a lot of times from my winnings, but now that I am a VIP, I cannot seem to find that same luck that I had before, whatever the strategy I make especially with the casino games and the originals.
"Martingale is for people with deep pockets." That's what I would tell to my friend who is on his way to using that kind of strategy.
We all know Martingale will not work in the long run, should I let him find out himself but that will incur a heavy loss in this case.
Or should I discourage him by showing him videos, articles, and testimonials?
Because of this, I will not talk about online gambling to newbie I could put a guy in big trouble.
If I were you, I would not stop him outright but rather just give him a fair warning that again, this is gambling with no certainty of success. There are a lot of factors at play, most of which aren't in his control nor favor. Let him realize that there are no guarantees of him making his money back ever again, without stressing the fact that you're trying to stop him. It's his money anyway, so he can do what he wants with it, but as a friend, we have to give advices sometimes that hopefully sways them the other way.
Either way, you will not be accountable for whatever happens to his money. You just had a conversation about gambling, and he himself pursued the idea and made it a reality, and doubled down on that, even.
Either way, you will not be accountable for whatever happens to his money. You just had a conversation about gambling, and he himself pursued the idea and made it a reality, and doubled down on that, even.
Just give him a warning and that will do and you did your job as a friend for giving him the reminder and warning that he shouldn't go that much because martingale's known for that effect and result.
Regardless of the result and if he's going to listen to you or not, you're done there and you did your part for telling what you know about the potential result of it.
So, whether he ends well then that's good but if he ends badly, you are at no fault with that and you shouldn't feel any regret because it's not you that moved and gambled the money but him.
Regardless of the result and if he's going to listen to you or not, you're done there and you did your part for telling what you know about the potential result of it.
So, whether he ends well then that's good but if he ends badly, you are at no fault with that and you shouldn't feel any regret because it's not you that moved and gambled the money but him.
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