Topic: How do you feel about this? (Read 1767 times)
The list of companies doing that is uncountable, so as far as they are not forcing people to work for them they aren't doing anything wrong according to me !!
Even if most companies, apple is one of the worst. At these working conditions, it's slavery an nothing else. I heard that there are some factories in Taiwan where they lock the doors so that the employees don't escape. A factory took on fire and they ALL died in there. Stop slavery. Buy local
You are reading this just now. It's been years since it was first reported of the poor condition in the factories that makes Apple products. I've heard they plan to move a lot of it back to US, but they can do that now since they've made so much money, but who knows for sure. You should read more about Foxcoon (company that makes Apple products) that has about 1.2 million workers. It's SEO even once called his workers animals, which sadly wasn't far from truth considering in what conditions they are forced to work.
Claiming it's the worker's own choice is just ridiculous, it's hardly a choice if it's the only working opportunity you're able to get to provide for yourself and possibly a family.
However I'm not surprised by the 'news'. A massive amount of electronic companies use as much cheap labour as they possibly can.
However I'm not surprised by the 'news'. A massive amount of electronic companies use as much cheap labour as they possibly can.
I can't remember who it was who argued that Apple could pay more to these workers and change their lives, for some reason Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind, but I don't think that it was him. But then if it is a drastic difference then it can have effects on the economy in those countries. Would be nice though if Apple took the hit on their profits to make the lives of their workers even just a little more comfortable.
We must also realize what looks as bad conditions in our eyes, may not necessarily be bad conditions in another country. The alternative may be no job, and go starving.
Statutory rape, forced marriages and female circumcision might not be necessarily bad in some countries but that doesn't mean we should condone them. If these are normal practises then it's up to that country to make unfair business practises illegal. If you don't pay your employees a decent wage or provide them with safe conditions and working hours etc then you should get fined or your business shut down, and regardless of that western companies and people should refuse to buy or boycott anything from companies that do not meet certain standards. You can't exploit poverty this way. These companies would soon change their practises if this happened.
I'm not defending any position. I am stating the facts. There are poor people in this world that will do things that we would never think of, and by doing these things, they will improve their own situation. There are obviously a number of things in this world that's not good at all, but things are the way they are, of course many things should and will be changed, but life's quite different, depending on where you come from and where you live.
I'm just trying to put things into context.
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I can't remember who it was who argued that Apple could pay more to these workers and change their lives, for some reason Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind, but I don't think that it was him. But then if it is a drastic difference then it can have effects on the economy in those countries. Would be nice though if Apple took the hit on their profits to make the lives of their workers even just a little more comfortable.
We must also realize what looks as bad conditions in our eyes, may not necessarily be bad conditions in another country. The alternative may be no job, and go starving.
Statutory rape, forced marriages and female circumcision might not be necessarily bad in some countries but that doesn't mean we should condone them. If these are normal practises then it's up to that country to make unfair business practises illegal. If you don't pay your employees a decent wage or provide them with safe conditions and working hours etc then you should get fined or your business shut down, and regardless of that western companies and people should refuse to buy or boycott anything from companies that do not meet certain standards. You can't exploit poverty this way. These companies would soon change their practises if this happened.
I can't remember who it was who argued that Apple could pay more to these workers and change their lives, for some reason Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind, but I don't think that it was him. But then if it is a drastic difference then it can have effects on the economy in those countries. Would be nice though if Apple took the hit on their profits to make the lives of their workers even just a little more comfortable.
We must also realize what looks as bad conditions in our eyes, may not necessarily be bad conditions in another country. The alternative may be no job, and go starving.
True but if that is accepted then thing will never improve on the status quo.
Yeah, and we're just as bad as the people who directly implement the conditions.
I can't remember who it was who argued that Apple could pay more to these workers and change their lives, for some reason Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind, but I don't think that it was him. But then if it is a drastic difference then it can have effects on the economy in those countries. Would be nice though if Apple took the hit on their profits to make the lives of their workers even just a little more comfortable.
We must also realize what looks as bad conditions in our eyes, may not necessarily be bad conditions in another country. The alternative may be no job, and go starving.
True but if that is accepted then thing will never improve on the status quo.
I can't remember who it was who argued that Apple could pay more to these workers and change their lives, for some reason Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind, but I don't think that it was him. But then if it is a drastic difference then it can have effects on the economy in those countries. Would be nice though if Apple took the hit on their profits to make the lives of their workers even just a little more comfortable.
We must also realize what looks as bad conditions in our eyes, may not necessarily be bad conditions in another country. The alternative may be no job, and go starving.
But remember the suicide nets put up outside. Must be pretty bad.
I can't remember who it was who argued that Apple could pay more to these workers and change their lives, for some reason Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind, but I don't think that it was him. But then if it is a drastic difference then it can have effects on the economy in those countries. Would be nice though if Apple took the hit on their profits to make the lives of their workers even just a little more comfortable.
We must also realize what looks as bad conditions in our eyes, may not necessarily be bad conditions in another country. The alternative may be no job, and go starving.
Well, you want cheap devices, do you not. Can you imagine what would happen if all workes had a 50% raise in their wage? Correct, your devices would be more expensive as well.
iPhones and iPads aren't exactly cheap.
True, but the point that he was making is that an increase in their wages would be passed straight on to the customer, such that Apple could maintain their epic profit margins.
They are sitting on a mountain of cash, they could easily pay a lot more to their workers - but they will pay 'market rates'.
They could actually solve a LOT of poverty problems with the profits they have, but it's all about that word profit. And making more of it.
Yup, they serve shareholders, and their own pockets and future survival. I'm not too clued up with charity work and that, but Bill Gates and his wife, Melinda put a shitload of their own wealth towards good.
I can't remember who it was who argued that Apple could pay more to these workers and change their lives, for some reason Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind, but I don't think that it was him. But then if it is a drastic difference then it can have effects on the economy in those countries. Would be nice though if Apple took the hit on their profits to make the lives of their workers even just a little more comfortable.
Well, you want cheap devices, do you not. Can you imagine what would happen if all workes had a 50% raise in their wage? Correct, your devices would be more expensive as well.
iPhones and iPads aren't exactly cheap.
True, but the point that he was making is that an increase in their wages would be passed straight on to the customer, such that Apple could maintain their epic profit margins.
They are sitting on a mountain of cash, they could easily pay a lot more to their workers - but they will pay 'market rates'.
They could actually solve a LOT of poverty problems with the profits they have, but it's all about that word profit. And making more of it.
Well, you want cheap devices, do you not. Can you imagine what would happen if all workes had a 50% raise in their wage? Correct, your devices would be more expensive as well.
iPhones and iPads aren't exactly cheap.
True, but the point that he was making is that an increase in their wages would be passed straight on to the customer, such that Apple could maintain their epic profit margins.
They are sitting on a mountain of cash, they could easily pay a lot more to their workers - but they will pay 'market rates'.
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I suppose I think of them about as often as they do about me.
I somehow doubt that's true.
I've been reading more and more about the poor working conditions of some of Apple's outsourced manufacturing plants. My question is, what are your thoughts?
I'm writing this from an iPad please bear in mind, so I'm not taking any high ground.
Is it enough for you to think about changing your device in future?
See this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092277/Apple-Poor-working-conditions-inside-Chinese-factories-making-iPads.html
(Yes, it's the daily mail)
I'm writing this from an iPad please bear in mind, so I'm not taking any high ground.
Is it enough for you to think about changing your device in future?
See this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092277/Apple-Poor-working-conditions-inside-Chinese-factories-making-iPads.html
(Yes, it's the daily mail)
Well, you want cheap devices, do you not. Can you imagine what would happen if all workes had a 50% raise in their wage? Correct, your devices would be more expensive as well.
iPhones and iPads aren't exactly cheap.
The whole working system and worker's rights system in china should be revised because it clearly give advantage to all business/factories owners and take away worker's right.
I've been reading more and more about the poor working conditions of some of Apple's outsourced manufacturing plants. My question is, what are your thoughts?
I'm writing this from an iPad please bear in mind, so I'm not taking any high ground.
Is it enough for you to think about changing your device in future?
See this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092277/Apple-Poor-working-conditions-inside-Chinese-factories-making-iPads.html
(Yes, it's the daily mail)
I'm writing this from an iPad please bear in mind, so I'm not taking any high ground.
Is it enough for you to think about changing your device in future?
See this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092277/Apple-Poor-working-conditions-inside-Chinese-factories-making-iPads.html
(Yes, it's the daily mail)
Well, you want cheap devices, do you not. Can you imagine what would happen if all workes had a 50% raise in their wage? Correct, your devices would be more expensive as well.
As for unethical and bad conditions, it's rampant everywhere. A lot of the stuff you use in daily life is either produced by poor workers, or is made by companies who participate in unethical business practices. Once a company reach a certain size, there's always something bad going on inside it.
True, it's really got me thinking about it in everyday life. The laptop I'm writing on now while checking my phone in front of the TV that my son is watching. All made affordable to me by the exploitation of other people
I've been reading more and more about the poor working conditions of some of Apple's outsourced manufacturing plants. My question is, what are your thoughts?
I'm writing this from an iPad please bear in mind, so I'm not taking any high ground.
Is it enough for you to think about changing your device in future?
See this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092277/Apple-Poor-working-conditions-inside-Chinese-factories-making-iPads.html
(Yes, it's the daily mail)
I'm writing this from an iPad please bear in mind, so I'm not taking any high ground.
Is it enough for you to think about changing your device in future?
See this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092277/Apple-Poor-working-conditions-inside-Chinese-factories-making-iPads.html
(Yes, it's the daily mail)
Well, you want cheap devices, do you not. Can you imagine what would happen if all workes had a 50% raise in their wage? Correct, your devices would be more expensive as well.
As for unethical and bad conditions, it's rampant everywhere. A lot of the stuff you use in daily life is either produced by poor workers, or is made by companies who participate in unethical business practices. Once a company reach a certain size, there's always something bad going on inside it.
I dont think the workers making Samsung phones are exactly having a blast either
True. Samsung imposed such poor working conditions in its Brazilian manufacturing facility that the Brazilian government sued them!
Quote from an article I found online:
A US-based NGO, China Labor Watch, has compared the working conditions at Samsung with the situation seen in China at Apple's manufacturer Foxconn. But this is different - Apple had a service contract with Foxconn, who treated its employees poorly despite telling their client that labor regulations would be respected. This is not to say that Apple wasn't also at fault, but the company treated the situation in a transparent manner and Tim Cook made sure that he was seen flying to China to demand changes. Requirements were raised so the bar was set higher across its entire supply chain and the Fair Labor Association got involved in the process.
With Samsung in Brazil, it is a different story. In this case there is no outsourced contractor to blame - we are talking about poor working conditions at their own factories. When questioned about the latest lawsuit, Samsung sent me a one-paragraph statement, which said that it is "committed to providing a workplace that adheres to the highest standards in the industry in relation to safety, health and wellbeing" and that it will fully cooperate with the Brazilian authorities when notified.
I suppose I think of them about as often as they do about me.
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