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legendary
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July 01, 2023, 11:13:57 AM

It is like this, I think that one way to recognize that it can be AI is that it plays at a very high speed, one as a human being cannot play at a certain speed and the only suqs can do it are the bots, this is the same as in the trading, there are times when bots are the only ones capable of making certain movements , that is the key for casinos to be able to determine or detect that it is an AI that is interacting, this is very basic, it is obvious that they will also optimize those speeds based on what They seem like a human , but I think that for that there is Still a long way to go.

Scammers will guess to reduce the speed of interaction of the Chatgpt Bot with gambling platforms. And then, in this regard, Bots will be indistinguishable from humans. But there are other factors by which it will be possible to calculate whether a person or a trained Bot is playing: for example, these are button clicks. Also, when a person moves the mouse over a stop, the trajectory of the cursor on the screen is not a straight line. But when the bot clicks, the trajectories follow straight lines. This is how the captcha is checked so often.

Yes, in fact, when things start to improve, I think that the AI bots can be further optimized, I believe that the vision for an AI in the future will be indisputable, there is no doubt that the bots in the future will also They will generate all human movement, because as you say, trajectories in a straight line can be corrected so that it is or what they think is a hyuman, all those interferences that make a robot have, will be corrected without a doubt, the systems of casinos will have multiple AI detectors.

When they realize that you are no longer an AI and you start to win thinking you are a human, then how can a casino detect you? Because there is no way, and it will be so, the AI robots will act as if they were a human integrated into them, this can be a very serious problem in casinos.

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Many gamblers are now relying on AIs because of the hype but there are still no consistent winning testimonies that exist regarding their experiences. AIs have an edge when it comes to advanced technology services but they can't still surpass human intelligence.
However, we can't disregard the fact that if they would be more developed in the future, they could still be used successfully and effectively in gambling but in case that happens, I'm sure that casinos won't allow it and they will put restrictions on any proven gambling activities involving AIs for they will not allow anything that will beat the house edge.
You've put forward a critical point: "No consistent winning testimonies with AI exist in gambling." Indeed, current testimonies are inconsistent and few... But isn't this the case with most technologies at their nascent stage? AI's edge isn't just about advanced technology services. It's about machine learning, the ability to evolve and adapt, and thus to potentially outsmart human intelligence over time. As you rightly noted, should AI systems become more developed, they could be effectively used in gambling. However, "casinos won't allow anything that will beat the house edge," you say. This is probably true. Yet, consider the growing online gambling market. There, the AI question will be much more challenging. Regulations, while necessary, will be hard to enforce in a vast and anonymous online world.

We, as good players, have to take into consideration that things when it comes to AI are quite ambiguous, some say that they do well with AI, others say no, I am one of those who think that when playing using AI what is going to do or achieve is that the money goes completely, there is no way that an AI can decipher the casino systems and can make them win.

Maybe in the future an AI can be competitive to decipher casino systems, but for now I doubt it, it's something extreme to think that a casino can do things with AI so that players lose, players lose on their own, because of their mistakes, emotions and other things.
legendary
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July 01, 2023, 03:33:31 AM
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Many gamblers are now relying on AIs because of the hype but there are still no consistent winning testimonies that exist regarding their experiences. AIs have an edge when it comes to advanced technology services but they can't still surpass human intelligence.
However, we can't disregard the fact that if they would be more developed in the future, they could still be used successfully and effectively in gambling but in case that happens, I'm sure that casinos won't allow it and they will put restrictions on any proven gambling activities involving AIs for they will not allow anything that will beat the house edge.
You've put forward a critical point: "No consistent winning testimonies with AI exist in gambling." Indeed, current testimonies are inconsistent and few... But isn't this the case with most technologies at their nascent stage? AI's edge isn't just about advanced technology services. It's about machine learning, the ability to evolve and adapt, and thus to potentially outsmart human intelligence over time. As you rightly noted, should AI systems become more developed, they could be effectively used in gambling. However, "casinos won't allow anything that will beat the house edge," you say. This is probably true. Yet, consider the growing online gambling market. There, the AI question will be much more challenging. Regulations, while necessary, will be hard to enforce in a vast and anonymous online world.
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June 30, 2023, 02:03:33 PM

To be honest the sound of AI scares me, besides if you aren't playing then we're is the fun in this...Huh
I believe that someday a successful (profitable) AI made for gambling will be created. However, it won't last long. For sure gambling platforms will ban them as soon as they can. This could be one of the reasons for the casino to hold the players' fund. Not sure yet how can it be proven, but I think we'll come to that.
If profitable gambling is eventually created, many casinos will end up losing big and this is going to make casinos to started blocking and locking accounts. This is going to make a lot of people to make money from gambling but it wouldn't last.

Artificial intelligence is trending and might get to a time where casinos will need to upgrade there system or else they are going to end up in big loses because programers will start creating bots that can over rule the system and make profits for the user.

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If it become popular, expect the end of it. On the other hand,, if only a few people are aware of its existence, they can leverage it to generate profits from gambling.
As we are seeing the AI trend, it might get to a time when artificial intelligence will become sophisticated doing to complicated task that will surprise casinos, allowing gamblers to make crazy profits from gambling.
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June 30, 2023, 01:34:45 PM

Casinos are out for business and would never allow all gamblers to win the house edge using AI. The moment the casino noticed this,they will also get an AI that will counter the gamblers game to make sure that they still stay profitable as usual. It is human that generates AI,so it will also be easy for casinos to get their own AI which will favor the house edge. A gambler can never be smarter than the casino,that is why we find it difficult to have 5 straight wins. Casinos are into business and will never allow a gambler to kick them out of business.
The thing is that, despite all the hype that has surrounded the development of AI it has not still been proven its success in gambling and how possible have their AI involvement been able to aid players' success in games.

There is no doubt the truth that casinos are out for business so, at that, there will have a system in place that will help them to overcome such attacks as AI involvement.
One reason why don't really give much attention to hype, stuffs are always in their fake version when their hype is on, that is, everything, or almost everything is always not as it seems or as it is said to be, it is when the hype dies down that we get to now what exactly is in the hood..

You are about casinos being out here for business, it is the same thing I've always said that Ai can not take online gambling casinos out of business, there is always room left for improvements and advancement, if at any point in time, casinos discover they could unjustly lose money in a game due to Ai participation in the game, they will sure know the right thing to do to make sure the game remain fair to them and to the players.

Many gamblers are now relying on AIs because of the hype but there are still no consistent winning testimonies that exist regarding their experiences. AIs have an edge when it comes to advanced technology services but they can't still surpass human intelligence.
However, we can't disregard the fact that if they would be more developed in the future, they could still be used successfully and effectively in gambling but in case that happens, I'm sure that casinos won't allow it and they will put restrictions on any proven gambling activities involving AIs for they will not allow anything that will beat the house edge.
legendary
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June 30, 2023, 12:51:30 PM

Casinos are out for business and would never allow all gamblers to win the house edge using AI. The moment the casino noticed this,they will also get an AI that will counter the gamblers game to make sure that they still stay profitable as usual. It is human that generates AI,so it will also be easy for casinos to get their own AI which will favor the house edge. A gambler can never be smarter than the casino,that is why we find it difficult to have 5 straight wins. Casinos are into business and will never allow a gambler to kick them out of business.
The thing is that, despite all the hype that has surrounded the development of AI it has not still been proven its success in gambling and how possible have their AI involvement been able to aid players' success in games.

There is no doubt the truth that casinos are out for business so, at that, there will have a system in place that will help them to overcome such attacks as AI involvement.
One reason why don't really give much attention to hype, stuffs are always in their fake version when their hype is on, that is, everything, or almost everything is always not as it seems or as it is said to be, it is when the hype dies down that we get to now what exactly is in the hood..

You are about casinos being out here for business, it is the same thing I've always said that Ai can not take online gambling casinos out of business, there is always room left for improvements and advancement, if at any point in time, casinos discover they could unjustly lose money in a game due to Ai participation in the game, they will sure know the right thing to do to make sure the game remain fair to them and to the players.
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June 30, 2023, 12:29:35 PM

Casinos are out for business and would never allow all gamblers to win the house edge using AI. The moment the casino noticed this,they will also get an AI that will counter the gamblers game to make sure that they still stay profitable as usual. It is human that generates AI,so it will also be easy for casinos to get their own AI which will favor the house edge. A gambler can never be smarter than the casino,that is why we find it difficult to have 5 straight wins. Casinos are into business and will never allow a gambler to kick them out of business.
The thing is that, despite all the hype that has surrounded the development of AI it has not still been proven its success in gambling and how possible have their AI involvement been able to aid players' success in games.

There is no doubt the truth that casinos are out for business so, at that, there will have a system in place that will help them to overcome such attacks as AI involvement.
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June 30, 2023, 11:53:30 AM
I think that gambling services will have to come up with some solutions to weed out those players who use AI in bad faith. Because the situation may develop as well as with giveaways and multi-account farms.
When the meaning of the giveaways is already lost and the participants compete in the capacity of farms and attempts to cheat the system. It's good that they have been restricted now.
Now we need to develop mechanisms that limit AI in gambling, otherwise there will be trouble.
It seems that the gambling party is smarter than the customer and I am very sure without us knowing that the gambling party has prepared a system that can prevent gamblers from using AI to beat gambling.
But I don't know if AI has been developed, does AI still have the chance to be smarter than the system that the casino has.
What is more certain is that casinos or gambling always have power over what they have and can always do anything that can prevent losses in gambling.
They would obviously not just sit and watch their businesses go down like that only because gamblers are using a technology to beat them, if gamblers can get their hands on a system that can increase their chances of winning in gambling, then gambling business can obviously find a way to counter that with the same technology and they will obviously hire the best developers to get that done and we all know it's possible.

Casinos are businesses that run only because gamblers lose more than they win, and they in no way will let that get changed and let gamblers win more than they lose, there will be multiple preventive practices going on in the background if something like that actually happens in the future.
Your answer is very easy to understand and for me the answer to all these problems outside the head or without thinking seriously about this problem.
Gambling will always be a winner in every problem that exists in gambling and AI is one of the threats for gambling to immediately seek a decision to implement an anti-AI system and we are definitely a little worried whether gambling will be defeated using AI but for me it won't be that easy because even gambling might work with the best reliable team of developers to solve every problem that threatens gambling.
Until whenever AI is developed in any way it will still not be able to beat gambling.

It's not that simple.
There are a lot of people on the forum who dishonestly use ChatGPT in order to automatically write posts here on the forum. And there is still no absolute way to find out whether the author is a person or a bot. It would be fine if there was a service with recognition, but they are not all accurate. Our forum is a serious place, and there is money here, which means it should be protected, but the problem with bots has not yet been solved. This means that casinos can hardly distinguish at the moment between people who are dishonest  in gambling on casino sites.
Actually all that is very simple but you yourself are complicating your thinking.
You can't tell the difference between the AI used in gambling and the ChatGPT AI used in this forum is very much different.
If you know how the AI model used in gambling works, you won't say this because you forget something that gambling always works with system experts who are experienced in detecting anything suspicious or detrimental to casinos or even gambling, also working with white hackers who can detect AI that can threaten the casino into a loss.
No one has been able to detect the AI used to write on this forum because the AI model used is text unlike the AI used in gambling.
I think so far you understand what I'm saying.
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June 30, 2023, 10:48:33 AM
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We can always drive to the principle that house always have the edge against the gamblers, if both side will utilize the use of AI then surely it's the house will win in the long run, might possible that a big whales will invest to maximize the use of the system, but house will counter that and all those small-time gamblers will be affected of such adjustments.

Casino owners will find ways to continue business and not to be something like a cash atm of every gambler who will use AI
to take that edge and keep withdrawing from the house.
And it looks like the house still has a chance of winning even if gamblers use AI to gamble. The house will also use AI, but it may be different from what gamblers use. Whatever it is, the casino will maintain its business and tighten its security or system so that gamblers cannot win unless they have high luck.

This is all the more interesting because later on, each developer working for gamblers and casinos will issue updates that they can claim will give a win. Casinos will also claim that system updates have strengthened their system so they can keep their business well.
Casinos are out for business and would never allow all gamblers to win the house edge using AI. The moment the casino noticed this,they will also get an AI that will counter the gamblers game to make sure that they still stay profitable as usual. It is human that generates AI,so it will also be easy for casinos to get their own AI which will favor the house edge. A gambler can never be smarter than the casino,that is why we find it difficult to have a 5 straight wins. Casinos are into business and will never allow a gambler to kick them out of business.
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June 30, 2023, 08:26:31 AM
Gamblers are using this technology to predict the outcome. Generating an outcome on a luck game is not possible. Wherein you could ask an AI to predict the outcome of a particular sport. To an extent, a user of an AI platform needs to be knowledgeable as to how to use the AI. And should have the knowledge to the sports followed.

This is to show the level of how selfish we are that we will want an artificial intelligence device or system to help us in doing the task we are meant to carry out on our own, have we also consider of we are one of the operators of this gambling platforms, how are we going to feel or react towards a system that works against us from making profits, if gamblers could reason like this they wouldn't have much reason to insist onnthe ise of AI on areas not necessarily needed while gambling.

I haven't seen anyone being able to do it except a few. A lot of AI predictions are not based on stats and analysis as the user does not have an understanding of how to ask a question to an AI. I still believe it is worth the effort to do your own analysis and whenever you are confused ask the AI.

What the AI present to them isn't the accurate result of the real situation involved, they also brought out their own idea and opinion on the subject matter asked for, it's earlier the better that we realized what is ahead of us than depending on AI in making decisions for us.
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June 30, 2023, 07:52:04 AM
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We can always drive to the principle that house always have the edge against the gamblers, if both side will utilize the use of AI then surely it's the house will win in the long run, might possible that a big whales will invest to maximize the use of the system, but house will counter that and all those small-time gamblers will be affected of such adjustments.

Casino owners will find ways to continue business and not to be something like a cash atm of every gambler who will use AI
to take that edge and keep withdrawing from the house.
And it looks like the house still has a chance of winning even if gamblers use AI to gamble. The house will also use AI, but it may be different from what gamblers use. Whatever it is, the casino will maintain its business and tighten its security or system so that gamblers cannot win unless they have high luck.

This is all the more interesting because later on, each developer working for gamblers and casinos will issue updates that they can claim will give a win. Casinos will also claim that system updates have strengthened their system so they can keep their business well.
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June 30, 2023, 06:57:04 AM
A bot is codded by a programmer to follow his/her commands and it will do whatever the developer coded into it. For example if a programmer need to automate a task like betting then he/she already has a working strategy that they have tested for many times, now they just create a code using a programming language, and give this bot access to their account. The bot will only bet if the requirements of the strategy are met otherwise it won't bet at all. This type of approach basically work to automate the tasks, but it could cause huge losses if anything goes wrong.

On the other hand, an AI is a type of software that works by learning a strategy and getting good at it over time. For example a programmer is well aware of a working strategy that has a win rate of 50%, and the programmer doesn't have enough time to improve their strategy, in such case a programmer makes an AI software that will test the strategy by betting many times, and with each success the AI will get a reward, and with each failure the AI will get a punishment. This type of learning is known as Reinforcement learning, and it could really be useful when AI is trained for more than 10000's of bets, and still it won't be 100% accurate because the casino can change their Algorithm anytime, and the AI has to go through the same training process once again.
So AI can learn for itself from what they are facing that AI can know the approximate steps to be taken by its opponent. At least, that's what I thought so far, but given the current state of affairs, AI hasn't reached that level yet and still needs further development. And besides that, the developers are still trying to test the progress of each update so they can see how far the AI can work. And if that becomes a reality, the competition between AI and the casinos will get tougher, and we'll see whose AI wins more often. But the casino's AI will be the winner because the casino is the owner and doesn't want to lose much money to gamblers. Quite the contrary, casinos want to take as much money from gamblers as possible.

We can always drive to the principle that house always have the edge against the gamblers, if both side will utilize the use of AI then surely it's the house will win in the long run, might possible that a big whales will invest to maximize the use of the system, but house will counter that and all those small-time gamblers will be affected of such adjustments.

Casino owners will find ways to continue business and not to be something like a cash atm of every gambler who will use AI
to take that edge and keep withdrawing from the house.

Maybe someday AI are one of the best buddy of every gambler in the world of gambling. But for me The casino owner will allow AI only for betting Not for everything because we are all know the  capability of an Ai once they the programmer already know how to control the online casino outcome then that is the advantages of an AI but for the casino owner will don't let that happen because it will make the casino down.
legendary
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June 30, 2023, 05:40:40 AM
A bot is codded by a programmer to follow his/her commands and it will do whatever the developer coded into it. For example if a programmer need to automate a task like betting then he/she already has a working strategy that they have tested for many times, now they just create a code using a programming language, and give this bot access to their account. The bot will only bet if the requirements of the strategy are met otherwise it won't bet at all. This type of approach basically work to automate the tasks, but it could cause huge losses if anything goes wrong.

On the other hand, an AI is a type of software that works by learning a strategy and getting good at it over time. For example a programmer is well aware of a working strategy that has a win rate of 50%, and the programmer doesn't have enough time to improve their strategy, in such case a programmer makes an AI software that will test the strategy by betting many times, and with each success the AI will get a reward, and with each failure the AI will get a punishment. This type of learning is known as Reinforcement learning, and it could really be useful when AI is trained for more than 10000's of bets, and still it won't be 100% accurate because the casino can change their Algorithm anytime, and the AI has to go through the same training process once again.
So AI can learn for itself from what they are facing that AI can know the approximate steps to be taken by its opponent. At least, that's what I thought so far, but given the current state of affairs, AI hasn't reached that level yet and still needs further development. And besides that, the developers are still trying to test the progress of each update so they can see how far the AI can work. And if that becomes a reality, the competition between AI and the casinos will get tougher, and we'll see whose AI wins more often. But the casino's AI will be the winner because the casino is the owner and doesn't want to lose much money to gamblers. Quite the contrary, casinos want to take as much money from gamblers as possible.

We can always drive to the principle that house always have the edge against the gamblers, if both side will utilize the use of AI then surely it's the house will win in the long run, might possible that a big whales will invest to maximize the use of the system, but house will counter that and all those small-time gamblers will be affected of such adjustments.

Casino owners will find ways to continue business and not to be something like a cash atm of every gambler who will use AI
to take that edge and keep withdrawing from the house.
legendary
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June 29, 2023, 03:38:19 PM
Betting with AI in these times does not make sense, firstly because they are in very beta mode, and secondly because they have not yet been programmed with the precision that is needed, I could not say if in 5 years the prediction capacity of the robot will be almost perfect , but I think it will get closer because there are so many events that can be seen having an AI that I am sure will give the most optimal response, and as a result these things can happen, but when it is more advanced, then for now making bets with AI is losing easy, but in the near future it will be the card to success.

Intelligence can't be the probability of winning so the reality is they may have more data, knowledge, analysis and possible outcomes but if the bet is fair then the results will be unknown until it happens so AI can never beat the basics but it can kill the entire casino systems cause what if everyone opts to choose AI for betting and they just let it decide then human civilization will move away from gambling which has been a part of it since the beginning.
We are in the beginning 9f AI and w have not even seen it all. I know.with time, sophisticated artificial intelligence will be produced and people would have not option than to opt in and to it because it is will be the order of the day. As people get into AI to build and do different thing with AI, very soon man power jobs will be limited because AI would be available to do them and make life easier for us even in betting and other forms. Very soon casinos would limit the use of AI in betting to reduce the risk it could pose to other users that are not AI freak. We are only at the beginning of the revolution for artificial intelligence dominance.

That era will come, only because now it is beginning, it is beginning and for now AI dominance may be low, but according to what we currently have, it is obvious that there is still a lot to develop and apart from all that I could say that there must be a lot of programmers working hard just to get an AI trained enough to achieve at least 90+% betting efficiency, I find it easier to predict results in sports than to beat a casino system. Therefore, for now, the wish of many, which is to beat a casino and get rich, will not come true for now.

Browsing the internet and different social networks, I have come across many courses, certifications that have to do with AI, apparently the interest in AI is great, but learning and programming? there are many people who have never programmed and AI programming for newbies may seem very complicated, however they are taking it to be able to have more knowledge and not be left behind.


The programmers wants to prove that they can make an perfect AI for betting. Maybe they can make that things happen because we all know how technology work these days. And by the help of our knowledgeable programmer they can make things possible. And also it will help us to bet fast and accurate. But if that's happen the owner of the casino will not let that happen so that they can not loss a lot of money.

What happened is that when you talk and have to confront things with the AI, we can influence many things, each programmer can integrate many things into the AI, what happens is that we can intuit that the algorithms are necessarily good and that they can be very functional and efficient, but so far the AI can give errors, of course, for me it is still in a Beta stage, it can give erroneous results, but nevertheless we have to take into account that this is advancing a lot and the AI learns in a very fast and dizzying way.

All the developments in AI can be integrated into a single thing, then with the other developments I think that the AI will be getting better, so when we think that the AI will be everything in the future, well we have to start thinking that if it can being that way and in casino games can help a lot to win.

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June 29, 2023, 02:18:44 PM
I think that gambling services will have to come up with some solutions to weed out those players who use AI in bad faith. Because the situation may develop as well as with giveaways and multi-account farms.
When the meaning of the giveaways is already lost and the participants compete in the capacity of farms and attempts to cheat the system. It's good that they have been restricted now.
Now we need to develop mechanisms that limit AI in gambling, otherwise there will be trouble.
It seems that the gambling party is smarter than the customer and I am very sure without us knowing that the gambling party has prepared a system that can prevent gamblers from using AI to beat gambling.
But I don't know if AI has been developed, does AI still have the chance to be smarter than the system that the casino has.
What is more certain is that casinos or gambling always have power over what they have and can always do anything that can prevent losses in gambling.
They would obviously not just sit and watch their businesses go down like that only because gamblers are using a technology to beat them, if gamblers can get their hands on a system that can increase their chances of winning in gambling, then gambling business can obviously find a way to counter that with the same technology and they will obviously hire the best developers to get that done and we all know it's possible.

Casinos are businesses that run only because gamblers lose more than they win, and they in no way will let that get changed and let gamblers win more than they lose, there will be multiple preventive practices going on in the background if something like that actually happens in the future.
Your answer is very easy to understand and for me the answer to all these problems outside the head or without thinking seriously about this problem.
Gambling will always be a winner in every problem that exists in gambling and AI is one of the threats for gambling to immediately seek a decision to implement an anti-AI system and we are definitely a little worried whether gambling will be defeated using AI but for me it won't be that easy because even gambling might work with the best reliable team of developers to solve every problem that threatens gambling.
Until whenever AI is developed in any way it will still not be able to beat gambling.

It's not that simple.
There are a lot of people on the forum who dishonestly use ChatGPT in order to automatically write posts here on the forum. And there is still no absolute way to find out whether the author is a person or a bot. It would be fine if there was a service with recognition, but they are not all accurate. Our forum is a serious place, and there is money here, which means it should be protected, but the problem with bots has not yet been solved. This means that casinos can hardly distinguish at the moment between people who are dishonest  in gambling on casino sites.
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June 29, 2023, 12:46:27 PM

To be honest the sound of AI scares me, besides if you aren't playing then we're is the fun in this...Huh
I believe that someday a successful (profitable) AI made for gambling will be created. However, it won't last long. For sure gambling platforms will ban them as soon as they can. This could be one of the reasons for the casino to hold the players' fund. Not sure yet how can it be proven, but I think we'll come to that.

If it become popular, expect the end of it. On the other hand,, if only a few people are aware of its existence, they can leverage it to generate profits from gambling.
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June 29, 2023, 11:19:40 AM
The fact that AI has no emotions, no insight  of those players that tend to kill a game if fielded for sports betting, won't go against the game plan can be a good and bad thing at the same time....

But we all know AI won't be using some strategy off this planet or anything...it will be applying what's already known to us  for example doubling on every lose and reset to initial bank (martingale)..But you know what they say...winners know when to stop but unfortunately this being a bot will keep playing till your bank is empty and I wouldn't sign up for such knowing it won't break its pattern(Algorithm).

To be honest the sound of AI scares me, besides if you aren't playing then we're is the fun in this...Huh
Well, what makes you think that if an AI model can use an strategy where it can double the bet on a loss and reset it on a win it cannot have a specific target for when to stop? I mean it's an AI, they are intelligence models, you can easily make them understand when they should stop using words and specifying the target that you have in mind. There will be one difference though, it won't be able to stop before that target but still being profitable.

For example, we as humans might have a specific target in our mind that we say we will stop at if we are profitable, but if we start losing after getting some wins before reaching that target, but we haven't lost all our profits, we might decide to simply cut it off and stop right there, an AI model won't be able to do that.
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June 29, 2023, 08:35:33 AM
Well, the prospect of using AI in gambling at a time when programmers will modify it accordingly and optimize it looks pretty ridiculous.  Simply because in the end only one AI will participate in the games, and the person will take the place of an outside observer. 
As a result of AI what? 
Will he play by himself?  Smiley
So what kind of game is this when it simply leads to competition and competition between programmers and algorithmists. 
It seems to me that such a development of AI in general will only spoil everything in general in the gambling industry as a whole and take away such wonderful and interesting entertainment from humanity.

Gamblers are using this technology to predict the outcome. Generating an outcome on a luck game is not possible. Wherein you could ask an AI to predict the outcome of a particular sport. To an extent, a user of an AI platform needs to be knowledgeable as to how to use the AI. And should have the knowledge to the sports followed. I haven't seen anyone being able to do it except a few. A lot of AI predictions are not based on stats and analysis as the user does not have an understanding of how to ask a question to an AI. I still believe it is worth the effort to do your own analysis and whenever you are confused ask the AI.
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June 29, 2023, 08:24:25 AM
A bot is codded by a programmer to follow his/her commands and it will do whatever the developer coded into it. For example if a programmer need to automate a task like betting then he/she already has a working strategy that they have tested for many times, now they just create a code using a programming language, and give this bot access to their account. The bot will only bet if the requirements of the strategy are met otherwise it won't bet at all. This type of approach basically work to automate the tasks, but it could cause huge losses if anything goes wrong.

On the other hand, an AI is a type of software that works by learning a strategy and getting good at it over time. For example a programmer is well aware of a working strategy that has a win rate of 50%, and the programmer doesn't have enough time to improve their strategy, in such case a programmer makes an AI software that will test the strategy by betting many times, and with each success the AI will get a reward, and with each failure the AI will get a punishment. This type of learning is known as Reinforcement learning, and it could really be useful when AI is trained for more than 10000's of bets, and still it won't be 100% accurate because the casino can change their Algorithm anytime, and the AI has to go through the same training process once again.
So AI can learn for itself from what they are facing that AI can know the approximate steps to be taken by its opponent. At least, that's what I thought so far, but given the current state of affairs, AI hasn't reached that level yet and still needs further development. And besides that, the developers are still trying to test the progress of each update so they can see how far the AI can work. And if that becomes a reality, the competition between AI and the casinos will get tougher, and we'll see whose AI wins more often. But the casino's AI will be the winner because the casino is the owner and doesn't want to lose much money to gamblers. Quite the contrary, casinos want to take as much money from gamblers as possible.
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June 29, 2023, 06:40:12 AM
I think that gambling services will have to come up with some solutions to weed out those players who use AI in bad faith. Because the situation may develop as well as with giveaways and multi-account farms.
When the meaning of the giveaways is already lost and the participants compete in the capacity of farms and attempts to cheat the system. It's good that they have been restricted now.
Now we need to develop mechanisms that limit AI in gambling, otherwise there will be trouble.
It seems that the gambling party is smarter than the customer and I am very sure without us knowing that the gambling party has prepared a system that can prevent gamblers from using AI to beat gambling.
But I don't know if AI has been developed, does AI still have the chance to be smarter than the system that the casino has.
What is more certain is that casinos or gambling always have power over what they have and can always do anything that can prevent losses in gambling.
They would obviously not just sit and watch their businesses go down like that only because gamblers are using a technology to beat them, if gamblers can get their hands on a system that can increase their chances of winning in gambling, then gambling business can obviously find a way to counter that with the same technology and they will obviously hire the best developers to get that done and we all know it's possible.

Casinos are businesses that run only because gamblers lose more than they win, and they in no way will let that get changed and let gamblers win more than they lose, there will be multiple preventive practices going on in the background if something like that actually happens in the future.
Your answer is very easy to understand and for me the answer to all these problems outside the head or without thinking seriously about this problem.
Gambling will always be a winner in every problem that exists in gambling and AI is one of the threats for gambling to immediately seek a decision to implement an anti-AI system and we are definitely a little worried whether gambling will be defeated using AI but for me it won't be that easy because even gambling might work with the best reliable team of developers to solve every problem that threatens gambling.
Until whenever AI is developed in any way it will still not be able to beat gambling.
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I think that gambling services will have to come up with some solutions to weed out those players who use AI in bad faith. Because the situation may develop as well as with giveaways and multi-account farms.
When the meaning of the giveaways is already lost and the participants compete in the capacity of farms and attempts to cheat the system. It's good that they have been restricted now.
Now we need to develop mechanisms that limit AI in gambling, otherwise there will be trouble.
It seems that the gambling party is smarter than the customer and I am very sure without us knowing that the gambling party has prepared a system that can prevent gamblers from using AI to beat gambling.
But I don't know if AI has been developed, does AI still have the chance to be smarter than the system that the casino has.
What is more certain is that casinos or gambling always have power over what they have and can always do anything that can prevent losses in gambling.

Now the topic of artificial intelligence is being popularized in cryptocurrencies. Due to the fact that cryptocurrencies are entirely on the Internet, then integration with AI is the fastest here. There are a lot of projects that raise money and create coins related to the topic of AI. And as always, many of them are scammers.
Of course, the topic attracts a lot of multiaccounts, fraudsters, and other dishonest guys. Our forum is a lot littered with those who abuse AI, who writes nonsense in posts. And of course, there are a lot of dishonest players in the monetary system of gambling.
There are still no non-repelling organs for the AI sphere. And it's time for this to appear.

AI in games of chance do not have much relevance for the simple fact that they are not effective, everything is in tests, nobody likes tests because that can mean that they lose money, so it is not something healthy, I do not believe that things With the AI they happen for now, what I think is that they can happen in different ways, first the AI can do some things better, like solving simple tasks, where it is 100% effective, where research is needed, maybe, but for casino games , they still need a lot of Development and I think that it could take a couple of Years.


Improvement may take place but developers of those casino games will still have the upper hand, as they can simply adjust to whatever extent AI will learn about the programs, they will find ways to counter and not to allow AI to have the advantage, I see the point where AI will learn and make some good system but beating the entire business, or making a gambler to always win using the system,

it's something that casino owners will not allow to happen, else, we won't see casino site or business will continue to exist.
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