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Quote from: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 04:57:03 AM

Nope - not for refactored BSV

It doesn't matter how you refer to BSV. It's still just a chain that's not actually being used. BSV's "use" at this point is a few weather and price fetching applications creating a lot of transactions non-stop. Is this the use you envisioned BSV to have?

Also, your master CSW absolutely hates USDT and exchanges, yet it's that exact stablecoin being used to pump the price of BSV on shady exchanges such as OKEx and Huobi.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-sv/markets/reported/

Compared to a large variety of altcoins BSV is slow, more centralized, not even the cheapest, not suited for complex applications, etc. How is the enterprise world going to use that chain with plenty of more suitable alternatives available. I'm not even talking about how toxic the backers of BSV are, which in itself is already a huge no go for serious businesses.

I fully agree that Bitcoin is all about real world use. - That would recommend wide compliance, stability and capacity and low price / efforts for risk assessments and transacting (needed for proper secure setups in industry use).

Trading / spec is not that much important - except of providing liquidity

We have no regulated exchange yet trading Bitcoin - but some are 'moving' - I bet complinace is the only reason that Bitcoin needs - I see that promoted only by BSV - so I support this - no matter who else does as well.

All the rest comes with industrial adoption

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Quote from: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 04:57:03 AM

Nope - not for refactored BSV

It doesn't matter how you refer to BSV. It's still just a chain that's not actually being used. BSV's "use" at this point is a few weather and price fetching applications creating a lot of transactions non-stop. Is this the use you envisioned BSV to have?

Also, your master CSW absolutely hates USDT and exchanges, yet it's that exact stablecoin being used to pump the price of BSV on shady exchanges such as OKEx and Huobi.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-sv/markets/reported/

Compared to a large variety of altcoins BSV is slow, more centralized, not even the cheapest, not suited for complex applications, etc. How is the enterprise world going to use that chain with plenty of more suitable alternatives available. I'm not even talking about how toxic the backers of BSV are, which in itself is already a huge no go for serious businesses.

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Quote from: MufasaR on January 31, 2020, 04:06:19 AM

Personally am surprised!

Thought at most we could have roughly about 10 types of bitcoin, which is the original Bitcoin(BTC) and ~ 9 bitcoin altcoins. I guess this explains why bitcoin has failed to break a new all time high because even when bitcoin demand is there people are duped into buying the wrong cryptocurrency and price increment is at snail speed.

I too, perhaps, has been surprised, knowing that the forks of bitcoin are just the bitcoin cash, SV and bitcoin gold, well, by seeing all these line up in the market, we could probably conclude that it is really the battle of the fittest that will remain on top of the others, we could see bitcoin cash and sv getting the most support and demand as the top rank in bitcoin forks, this means that people do really believe that forks serve as an upgrade to bitcoin protocol that needs to be considered if we want to make our transaction faster than the actual bitcoin. But what's good about it, is when we, could possibly have the chance to improve bitcoin itself without these forks so we could have more demand to help us deliver the best crypto to people.

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In my opinion, it makes no sense when the original currency has a huge amount of different shitcoins that are useless. It is better when there is one currency with a large number of different purposes for which it can be used.
In addition, I almost never heard of half the forks on this list.

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Quote from: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 04:57:03 AM

Nope - not for refactored BSV

well the code from the official BSV repository here: https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/blob/88ee5b7012e03eb99ccaf695eab0b2f0fff7cb5c/src/script/interpreter.cpp#L1813-L1894 says otherwise.
apart from using a forkid is exactly the same as how SegWit transactions are being serialized and hashed before signing.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/3e1bf71064ccb98d0684753e844c80d6da421287/src/script/interpreter.cpp#L1234-L1279

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Quote from: pooya87 on January 31, 2020, 03:47:51 AM

Quote from: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 03:20:38 AM

So you will be able to run old 0.1 clients - that's the thing - nothing changed after the refactoring

no you won't because old clients use the original signature verification algorithm but BSV for all transactions (unlike bitcoin) is enforcing a new algorithm that is outlined in BIP-143 known as Transaction Signature Verification for Version 0 Witness Program, that is a part of SegWit soft fork.
https://github.com/bitcoin-sv-specs/protocol/blob/master/updates/uahf-technical-spec.md#req-6-3-use-adapted-bip143-hash-algorithm-for-protected-transactions

ps. that is the absurdity of both bcash and bcashsv. they both bashed SegWit a lot and they both adopted most of it. heck bcash addresses are even bech32 addresses (new format that is used only by SegWit addresses)!!!

Nope - not for refactored BSV

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Quote from: tranthidung on January 30, 2020, 08:37:13 PM

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Thank you very much for your suggestion and provided information, but I will let the opening post as it actually is because this is not so important for the thread, how much of them are still listed or will be in the future on Coinmarketcap. That changes constantly and can't be relevant for too long. Additionally, the main goals are achieved to share the info and raise awareness about all these copycats.

Quote from: pooya87 on January 31, 2020, 12:20:41 AM

...these coins should be referred to as bitcoin copies instead of bitcoin forks...term fork should only be used when the same project is being upgraded with a new rule or has a rule removed.
so for example bcash is not a bitcoin fork, it is a bitcoin copy.

Of course, I agree with you and that is why I have never mentioned any details about these copycats.

The purpose of this thread was to show: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? of course hard and soft once.

Again, I updated the opening post and added your comment as an additional explanation.

Quote from: pooya87 on January 31, 2020, 12:20:41 AM

...although the explanation is technically correct but it is a terrible one because it is misleading...

In my opinion, is not misleading, as I explained above, of course, you are free to judge by yourself.

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Quote from: MufasaR on January 31, 2020, 04:06:19 AM

Personally am surprised!

Thought at most we could have roughly about 10, which is the original Bitcoin(BTC) and ~ 9 bitcoin altcoins. I guess this explains why bitcoin has failed to break a new all time high because even when bitcoin depend is there people are duped into buying the wrong cryptocurrency.

That might probably happen but i think the possibility that happened is 1:1million because the person who did that are so so newbie with cryptocurrency even they cannot make a difference between bitcoin and the forked coins, because in terms of price it's different and the name is also different and ofcourse the volume is also different. So i think the people who wrong bought are drunk

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Personally am surprised!

Thought at most we could have roughly about 10 types of bitcoin, which is the original Bitcoin(BTC) and ~ 9 bitcoin altcoins. I guess this explains why bitcoin has failed to break a new all time high because even when bitcoin demand is there people are duped into buying the wrong cryptocurrency and price increment is at snail speed.

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Quote from: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 03:20:38 AM

So you will be able to run old 0.1 clients - that's the thing - nothing changed after the refactoring

no you won't because old clients use the original signature verification algorithm but BSV for all transactions (unlike bitcoin) is enforcing a new algorithm that is outlined in BIP-143 known as Transaction Signature Verification for Version 0 Witness Program, that is a part of SegWit soft fork.
https://github.com/bitcoin-sv-specs/protocol/blob/master/updates/uahf-technical-spec.md#req-6-3-use-adapted-bip143-hash-algorithm-for-protected-transactions

ps. that is the absurdity of both bcash and bcashsv. they both bashed SegWit a lot and they both adopted most of it. heck bcash addresses are even bech32 addresses (new format that is used only by SegWit addresses)!!!

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 30, 2020, 02:02:52 PM

I think the fact that 74 of these are still considered active is the biggest surprise here. I would barely even say Bitcoin Gold is still active, I literally don't think most of these are even used anywhere other than for speculative trading... Does anybody here actually use any off the Bitcoin off-shoots outside of the top 100 by mcap? I certainly dont know anybody who does.

In this case, active means someone still mining the coins 24/7 (or stake the coins 24/7 if they use PoS) to create block in order to keep the network running

Quote from: hv_ on January 30, 2020, 01:41:14 PM

BSV is the only relevant chain, cause it is the refactored original protocol that is the legal and stable true BitCoin.

It makes all other chains the alts.

Cheesy

And i don't remember P2PKH, P2SH or OP_RETURN are part of original protocol, which means BSV also alt.

Your statement only true if BSV perform fork from block #97304 which created when Satoshi was around (December 13, 2010, 04:45:41 PM)

So you will be able to run old 0.1 clients - that's the thing - nothing changed after the refactoring

op_codes restored

BTW: Think of tcp/ip - stability and consens may never change ... it was set in stone and Satoshi told us

He left - cause of that

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/senior-adviser-operator-silk-road-website-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court

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although the explanation is technically correct but it is a terrible one because it is misleading.
all of these coins should be referred to as bitcoin copies instead of bitcoin forks. and the term fork should only be used when the same project is being upgraded with a new rule or has a rule removed.
so for example bcash is not a bitcoin fork, it is a bitcoin copy.

Quote from: hv_ on January 30, 2020, 01:41:14 PM

BSV is the only relevant chain, cause it is the refactored original protocol that is the legal and stable true BitCoin.

3 bullshits in one sentence.
bcashsv is not relevant and it has not refactored anything and it is considered a shitcoin by literary everyone.

last time i checked bcashsv had BIP-143 (yes that is a SegWit BIP!!!) still implemented, and also since you mentioned "original protocol" it also has BIP62 and at least 2 dozen other BIPs still intact.
a long list of meaningless changes doesn't make it "original protocol".

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Quote from: tranthidung on January 19, 2020, 11:46:29 AM

There are abundant coins with Bitcoin as prefix or suffix in their coin-names. Here is results from Coinmarketcap's Search tool.

The lack of appearance of those forks on coinmarketcap.com means that there are more risks for new investors to get trapped by those shit forked-coins. They are useless and don't have any upgrades to make them better than the true Bitcoin.

One of main reasons those shit coins have not yet listed on coinmarketcap.com is the main purpose of their teams is to scam and get quick & easy money from stupid and naive investors. Their team don't want and don't have intention to spend any fund to list their coins on coinmarketcap.com.

There are people who send Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash and vice versa, as well as missend to wrong chains of Bitcoin-prefixed or Bitcoin-suffixed coins among those coins already listed on coinmarketcap.com. For the others, who lose money for unlisted coins (on coinmarketcap.com), I doubt that they even don't know about our forum (what a pity) but it is their mistakes and their responsibilities to upgrade their knowledge.

OP makes an excellent thread, for people who want to learn and improve their knowledge.
Your thread is helpful for mine: Sending BTC to BCH or whatever coins, vice versa. Don't do this, newbies !

Quote from: tranthidung on January 19, 2020, 11:46:29 AM

How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!! (you can find lots of shit bitcoin-forked coins in that thread)

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Quote from: stompix on January 30, 2020, 06:18:58 PM

...Clams is there right?...

Indeed, I couldn't delete it and that is why I haven't mentioned Clams, only the other two linked altcoins in my previous answer.

Additionally, I wasn't able to find a reliable source of information with all BTC forks until today, so we can assume these numbers still as an estimate.

To be honest, these websites provide the best information on this subject and the main goal was to show: how many BTC forks are there?.

So, if this is 100 or 110 is not so important anymore in my opinion because these numbers are changing constantly and different sources provide different amounts.

I have a lot of experience and always new about a few BTC (hard and soft) forks, which ended with new altcoins, but when I find out that there are so many, I was just overwhelmed and thought it is worth to share.

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Quote from: stompix on January 30, 2020, 02:25:38 PM

...impressive but it's not really accurate, clicked a few of them and found out this:
https://forkdrop.io/xenon This is not a bitcoin and it's not a fork...
https://forkdrop.io/semux Those are not forks, just silly airdrops, just Clam clones, nothing more...

I agree with you and that is why you will not find them in my opening post, so I don't understand why you mentioned them?

Because you mentioned them too

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There are 105 Bitcoin forks (hard and soft) in total. Of those, 74 are considered active projects, the remaining 31 are considered historic and are no longer relevant.

The two I mentioned are falling into this category on that website.
But calling them historic forks it doesn't mean they weren't counted as forks in that 105 number Wink

Also, check the image you posted of the forks.
Clams is there right? Grin

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Quote from: mk4 on January 30, 2020, 06:43:24 AM

Well surprise surprise! There's only going to be more forks from here. I don't know why it's a big deal for you though. All of Bitcoin's forks are pretty much irrelevant anyway. And what do you expect? The code-base is open source. Forks are pretty much inevitable simply due to the fact that Bitcoin is open-source.

Pro-tip for you: just ignore the shitcoins.

I don't expect much to be honest, I just wish the time comes when these forks will not get this much attention and will be ignored by everyone, not just by us who've had a ton of experience in the crypto game.

2013 to 2014 was way more fun. You may be right - maybe it only gets worse from here.

But the point is that these shitty forks, coins and tokens are being continuously created because there's still that frenzy here with airdrops and all that crap. If there were only a few people out here who would give these projects attention, things would change substantially.

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Quote from: stompix on January 30, 2020, 02:25:38 PM

...impressive but it's not really accurate, clicked a few of them and found out this:
https://forkdrop.io/xenon This is not a bitcoin and it's not a fork...
https://forkdrop.io/semux Those are not forks, just silly airdrops, just Clam clones, nothing more...

I agree with you and that is why you will not find them in my opening post, so I don't understand why you mentioned them?

They are not on the screen (or maybe I am blind Cool

), additionally underneath the screen, I have added a full list with known BTC forks.

Quote from: wwzsocki on January 30, 2020, 06:11:31 AM

...1. BitcoinX (BCX), 2. ABitcoin (ABTC), 3. Bitcoin Hot (BTH), 4. Super Bitcoin (SBTC), 5. Bitcoin Platinum (BTP), 6. Bitcoin Oil (OBTC), 7. Bitcoin World (BTW), 8. Bitcoin Stake (BTCS), 9. Bitcoin Faith (BTF), 10 Lightning Bitcoin (LBTC, 11 Bitcoin Cash Plus (BCP), 12 Bitcoin Silver (BTCS), 13. Bitcoin Uranium (BUM), 14. Bitcoin Top (BTT), 15. Bitcoin Pizza (BPA), 16. Bitcoin File (BIFI),17 Bitcoin God (GOD), 18 BitEthereum (BITE), 19 Bitcoin Segwit2x, 20 Bitcoin Smart (BCS), 21 Bitcoin Ore (BCO), 22 Bitvote (BTV), 23 Bitcoin Interest (BCI), 24 Bitcoin Rhodium (BTR), 25 Bitcoin Atom (BCA), 26 Bitcoin Private (BTCP), 27 Bitcoin Hush (BTCH), 28 Quantum Bitcoin (QBTC), 29 Bitcoin LITE (BTCL), 30 Bitcoin 2, 31 Big Bitcoin 32 Bitcoin Cloud, 33 Bitcoin Candy, 34 Bitcoin Lambo, 35 ClassicBitcoin, 36 BitcoinClean, 37 Bitcoin Lunar (BCL), 38 Bitcoin Prime: TBA, 39 Anonymous Bitcoin (ANON), 40 Fox BTC, 41 Bitcoin Reference Line, 42 MicroBitcoin, 43 BItcoin Classic, 44 Bitcoin Dao, 45 Bitcoin RM, 46 Bitcoin Air, 47 Bitcoin Post-Quantum, 48 Bithereum, 49 Bitcoin Stash, 50 Bitcoin Core, 51 Bitcoin Dollar, 52 Bitcoin Metal, 53 Hex, 54 Bitcoin All, 55 BitcoinCash Zero...

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Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin.

Yeah, I had the same feeling. Not really a coin, it didn't produce a second chain.

If you will read the thread, then you will notice, that this was already mentioned and answered a couple of times, to be correct, I have changed the opening post already.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on January 30, 2020, 09:36:50 AM

Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin...

That was already mentioned and as you can see we are talking about Bitcoin Forks (hard and soft) to not confuse people too much.

Not from every fork, there was a new altcoin born and that is why I am talking about forks, which means both possibilities.

I already edited my opening post accordingly.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 30, 2020, 02:36:17 PM

OP, this is an awesome summary and I sure as hell wasn't aware that there were this many forks...

Thanks for kind words, I am happy you liked Cheesy

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I wasn't aware either that there were/are so many forks and thought that it would be great info to share because if I wasn't aware of this, then for sure majority of people don't know about this.

You are the best confirmation of this theory Wink

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 30, 2020, 02:36:17 PM

OP, this is an awesome summary and I sure as hell wasn't aware that there were this many forks. I knew about the big ones, of course, but I haven't even heard of most of these--and I only claimed forked coins once, which turned out to be pennies worth of BCH if I remember correctly and then I swore off claiming any of that "free crypto" in the future unless there was a decent amount of it for me to get (which there usually isn't, since I don't own a lot of bitcoin, BCH, or whatever else that got forked).

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on January 30, 2020, 09:36:50 AM

Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin.

Yeah, I had the same feeling. Not really a coin, it didn't produce a second chain.

Ditto. Not that I understand much of the technical aspects of bitcoin, but I know enough that I recognize that Segwit isn't a fork.

Sure, the most evil one. You just don't (want to) notice. It made Bitcoin no longer BitCoin

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OP, this is an awesome summary and I sure as hell wasn't aware that there were this many forks. I knew about the big ones, of course, but I haven't even heard of most of these--and I only claimed forked coins once, which turned out to be pennies worth of BCH if I remember correctly and then I swore off claiming any of that "free crypto" in the future unless there was a decent amount of it for me to get (which there usually isn't, since I don't own a lot of bitcoin, BCH, or whatever else that got forked).

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on January 30, 2020, 09:36:50 AM

Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin.

Yeah, I had the same feeling. Not really a coin, it didn't produce a second chain.

Ditto. Not that I understand much of the technical aspects of bitcoin, but I know enough that I recognize that Segwit isn't a fork.

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