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vip
Activity: 490
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October 24, 2011, 01:13:56 PM
#50
If you do not know what you are doing, no don't use it!

even if you do know what you're doing the leverage, Zhou's power to liquidate you, lack of signif reserves, lack of direct continuous co-location to mtgox makes it unviable when volatility strikes.

and b/c Zhou won't directly say he does not need that little plastic Yubikey to trade his accts at mtgox, i must assume he does need it and all your accts depend on it.

Yubikey is not required for API trading. I have said that. Withdrawals require key-secret.

Bitcoinica reserves are significant. Almost 6 digits worth of USD.

Bitcoinica-Mt. Gox latency is within 15ms.

To me, bitcoin is not volatile at all, because my algorithm can handle it. If you can't imagine, it's your problem.

You don't know anything!
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
October 24, 2011, 01:04:06 PM
#49
If you do not know what you are doing, no don't use it!

even if you do know what you're doing the leverage, Zhou's power to liquidate you, lack of signif reserves, lack of direct continuous co-location to mtgox makes it unviable when volatility strikes.

and b/c Zhou won't directly say he does not need that little plastic Yubikey to trade his accts at mtgox, i must assume he does need it and all your accts depend on it.
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October 24, 2011, 12:39:16 PM
#48
You all are clearly n00bs to econ and trading. It is simple math. Don't trade leveraged 5 to 1

How you suggest someone might use bitcoinica? Or you are suggesting to do not use it at all?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
October 24, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
#47
Zhou:  Does mtgox require the use of the Yubikey to trade?
legendary
Activity: 1204
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October 24, 2011, 12:33:20 PM
#46
This is why trading options is better than shorting. With option trading, your loss is limited and you don't get margin calls.

Bitcoin is so volatile that some random spike is likely to wipe out a leveraged short position.  With an option, you only care what the price is when the option matures.

Bitcoin doesn't have options, of course. 
vip
Activity: 490
Merit: 502
October 24, 2011, 12:18:53 PM
#45
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.

I expected a warning because it was nowhere informed that his could be done, only that.

And sorry being being a asshole, I am upset of how you handled stuff, but this does not give me the right to keep annoying you.

when i get into an margin call situation with Fidelity that might be due today for example, i get a telephone call in the morning warning me to settle my acct up on my own by the end of the day, or else they'll do it for me. 

Yes, but they can sue you if you owe money.

What protection does Bitcoinica have?

Greater power comes with greater responsibility. You are in control of your own positions. There are lot of people out there who never got their positions liquidated even when prices move a lot.

We support instant deposits via Mt. Gox, and even if it's funded by Bitcoin and the transaction took some time to deposit and your account got liquidated before confirmations, we will reverse the liquidation for you. What else can you ask for?

You can say 100 things bad about Bitcoinica, but trust me, it's not worth your time.

Our net BTC position is over 5 digits. What short squeeze?! It's just you plain silly assumption.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
October 24, 2011, 12:11:59 PM
#44
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.

I expected a warning because it was nowhere informed that his could be done, only that.

And sorry being being a asshole, I am upset of how you handled stuff, but this does not give me the right to keep annoying you.

when i get into an margin call situation with Fidelity that might be due today for example, i get a telephone call in the morning warning me to settle my acct up on my own by the end of the day, or else they'll do it for me. 
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October 24, 2011, 12:08:50 PM
#43
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.

I expected a warning because it was nowhere informed that his could be done, only that.

And sorry being being a asshole, I am upset of how you handled stuff, but this does not give me the right to keep annoying you.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
October 24, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
#42
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.

BTW, when i trade Bitcoin at mtgox, i need to use my Yubikey to get into my acct to accomplish this; not just for withdrawals.  are you different than this?

API.

does the API require the use of the Yubikey to trade?  it seems it does so for withdrawals.

It doesn't make sense to use Yubikey via API.

please just say no if the answer is no.

but then why wouldn't the withdrawal function be included within the API precluding the need for a Yubikey?
vip
Activity: 490
Merit: 502
October 24, 2011, 12:02:26 PM
#41
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.

BTW, when i trade Bitcoin at mtgox, i need to use my Yubikey to get into my acct to accomplish this; not just for withdrawals.  are you different than this?

API.

does the API require the use of the Yubikey to trade?  it seems it does so for withdrawals.

It doesn't make sense to use Yubikey via API.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
October 24, 2011, 12:00:58 PM
#40
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.

BTW, when i trade Bitcoin at mtgox, i need to use my Yubikey to get into my acct to accomplish this; not just for withdrawals.  are you different than this?

API.

does the API require the use of the Yubikey to trade?  it seems it does so for withdrawals.
vip
Activity: 490
Merit: 502
October 24, 2011, 11:58:39 AM
#39
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.

BTW, when i trade Bitcoin at mtgox, i need to use my Yubikey to get into my acct to accomplish this; not just for withdrawals.  are you different than this?

API.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
October 24, 2011, 11:49:14 AM
#38
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.

BTW, when i trade Bitcoin at mtgox, i need to use my Yubikey to get into my acct to accomplish this; not just for withdrawals.  are you different than this?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
October 24, 2011, 11:30:29 AM
#37
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

well technically the correct phrasing should be "i got a massive ZHOUTONG" but who cares?
hero member
Activity: 994
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October 24, 2011, 10:03:39 AM
#36
Right now I am not really complaining, only replying the original question...

The 1000+ USD debt was made getting regular zhoutonged anyway...

I guess I am a very crap trader (at least when shorting... when daytrading in mtgox when I had patience for that, I usually got 20% profits monthly, in BTC that is, it is easy to claim 20% profit in USD when BTC USD price rose 20%...)
vip
Activity: 490
Merit: 502
October 24, 2011, 10:00:12 AM
#35
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

If you just leave your BTC deposit like that everything will be fine. When you owed Bitcoinica over $1,000 and your BTC deposit is dropping in value, why would you expect a warning.

I have already apologized for the logging problem. (The ledger was not designed in our system yet.) If remembered correctly, your deposits were liquidated at the price higher than $3. You should buy now instead of complaining.

It may not be a good price, but what were you doing when there was a good price?

Bitcoinica is not the place for you to owe USD and hold BTC indefinitely. It may be wrong to you, but the market is always correct.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
October 24, 2011, 09:55:49 AM
#34
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad

Screenshot?
hero member
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October 24, 2011, 09:54:48 AM
#33
I got a MASSIVE Zhoutonged...

I mean: I got my BTC deposit liquidated (not a normal position, be it short or long).

Without warning, and it does not show on the logs.

300+ BTC Sad
vip
Activity: 490
Merit: 502
October 24, 2011, 09:50:01 AM
#32
i'll ask again; has anyone heard from Zhou since Friday?  i wonder if he's in trouble with this latest ramp in the price?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.566153

when a leveraged entity needs to depend on such a small electric device to get your money on quick notice you know you're in trouble.

Please do not stereotype.

Only a few people were shorting at that time, less than 10% of Bitcoinica's BTC holdings.

Your posts don't have any evidence to back your claim, and I didn't have time to care about them.

Dang this 17yr old just styled on you Wink

BTW, I do like the term 'You got Zhoutonged!"

Well, I was just surprised that there's really a guy so cared about Bitcoinica.

Bitcoinica is not as large as he thought. Short squeeze on Bitcoinica is non-existent. Most traders on Bitcoinica know more about what they are doing than cypherdoc.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
October 24, 2011, 09:43:49 AM
#31
i'll ask again; has anyone heard from Zhou since Friday?  i wonder if he's in trouble with this latest ramp in the price?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.566153

when a leveraged entity needs to depend on such a small electric device to get your money on quick notice you know you're in trouble.

Please do not stereotype.

Only a few people were shorting at that time, less than 10% of Bitcoinica's BTC holdings.

Your posts don't have any evidence to back your claim, and I didn't have time to care about them.

Dang this 17yr old just styled on you Wink

BTW, I do like the term 'You got Zhoutonged!"
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