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bwuahahaha, too classic

OP you're in the same boat as we are now!  Roll Eyes

He'll make a deal and rat us out! We must stop him!

Quick, find me a hitman that accepts Geist Gelds ! ! ! Cheesy

That was before you were forced to admit that you had premined 7.7 million coins for your money laundering operation. Once I found out about that I wiped the usb key containing GG and chucked it in a river.

The idea that a Belorussian could authoritatively hold forth on the US legal system is completely laughable. It would be like an American trying to give a Belorussian legal advice about what is and is not legal in Belarus. Here is the deal, I could care less if you scam these fanbois out of their btcs. Really. There is a sucker born every minute and there is an extremely high amount of suckers in this community, all trying to get rich quick on the next big thing. I really don't care if you take all their money. But there is the very real danger that your money laundering op can get people put in prison who have done nothing more than mine your chains. The fallout from that isn't just going to effect your pet chains either, but all of them, including Bitcoin. Because when they crack down, they are not going to differentiate between 27 different flavors of blockchain based cryptocurrencies. Everybody suffers.

Hmmmm, perhaps this is how you plan to take down Bitcoin. Maybe you are CH in disguise.
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bwuahahaha, too classic

OP you're in the same boat as we are now!  Roll Eyes

He'll make a deal and rat us out! We must stop him!

Quick, find me a hitman that accepts Geist Gelds ! ! ! Cheesy
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OP you're in the same boat as we are now!  Roll Eyes
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Lupus_Yonderboy, did you get your law degree by watching Judging Amy reruns? I mean, man... huh, congratulations must be in order. Smiley Good boy, job well done!
But you know what, passing your bar exam in you basement, while jerking of to a Sears catalogue, will most definitely qualify you for some rants in obscure forums like this particular one.

Do you have a 900 number? I really like to have you on a retainer. You newer know, when one needs some hot air blown up ones ass.
Keep up the good job, boy!

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But how do you dry it without wrinkling it.
With Bounty, of course  Grin
For the benefit of the readers who never visited the USA:

Bounty is the market-leading brand of the clothes-dryer sheets.

Cute joke, but somewhat inside-ry.



Ah thanks.

Now it is indeed funny.
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But how do you dry it without wrinkling it.
With Bounty, of course  Grin
For the benefit of the readers who never visited the USA:

Bounty is the market-leading brand of the clothes-dryer sheets.

Cute joke, but somewhat inside-ry.

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Belo-russian, pretty puhleez.

And so far, your argument boils down to "it will be so because I say so". I think that's a fairly poor argument.

And yours boils down to "It will be ok because I say so...look a squirrel!". I think that is a fairly poor rebuttal.

No, my argument does not include a rebuttal.

My argument boils down to pointing out over and over and over that your statements are just opinions of some anonymous dude who hypothetically might be American.

Also, I occasionally point out that very straightforward laundering schemes exist with other digital "sortakinda notreally moneysez" and so far resulted in 0 convictions.
OH WAIT A SECOND! Now that I think of it, the latter is actually an empirical rebuttal of your entire argument.

Game over, man. Game over.

 


Again it is painfully obvious you have no grasp of the US legal system or how it works.

Again its painfully obvious that you just make trite assertions Cheesy

 I encourage any Americans reading this thread to consult a legal professional, even if it is an informal friend of a friend type of deal and discuss 'Conspiracy' laws. Anyone who has any regular dealings with the Federal courts in the US will know about them. You are right, they shouldn't trust me, and they damn sure shouldn't trust you.

Consulting a lawyer never hurts, that I could get behind (lol agreement in intertube argument, even if a minor one..APOCALYPSE COMETH!  Cheesy).

Srsly, Americans, always consult lawyers.

A Belorussian on the internet and an attorney at lol are telling you, in unison Smiley

Actually it is, as well as other skillz. The phrasing was intentional. Your response to it says a lot. BTW, I notice President Lukashenko got 79% of the vote in the last election. He must be a really a great guy to get that much support from his people.  Grin

He pre-mined votes via so-called "thugs" trick Cheesy


No, but there are people doing time for money laundering with another digital currency, E-gold

E-gold had guaranteed equivalence to USD and a central issuer.

Game-gold and exotic abstract "units" spawned by eldritch mathematications do not have any guaranteed value  and of those two the abstract cryptothingies lack even a formal issuer.




You might want to read that article and take some notes. It is far more analgous to LolCoins than WoW or Lindens.

Yeah, so I can be guaranteed that a legal entity will recognize my TBX or something as a form of USD equivalent ? Puh-leeez, they have no guaranteed equivalence to anything, much like baseball cards, exotic postage stamps and other shenanigans like that (all of which can be stupidly expensive in some markets, btw)

In fact, unlike egold (or even lindens) them crypto-thingies don't have a formal issuer, which kinda disqualifies them from being "real monies" (or at least, makes them "less money than WoW gold")

But I am convinced you are Belorussian, an American would not have corrected me so many times. As I said above, it was intentional.

Well, at least that is settled
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Belo-russian, pretty puhleez.

And so far, your argument boils down to "it will be so because I say so". I think that's a fairly poor argument.

And yours boils down to "It will be ok because I say so...look a squirrel!". I think that is a fairly poor rebuttal.
Since it has been your stated intention from the beginning to launder money, you do not need to get caught 'irl'. Nor do you need to actually launder any money now. You have formed a conspiracy to break the law at some point in the future using GeistGeld and/or Tenebrix, and anyone who helps further either of those projects (by mining, hosting a pool, or an exchange, etc.) is part of that conspiracy and just as guilty under US law.

According to an anonymous intenet attorney-at-lol  Roll Eyes

Who can only repeat his statements over and over with no coherent argument. Everybody run and scream, an attorney at lol is on the case!

Again it is painfully obvious you have no grasp of the US legal system or how it works. Your ignorance is not a defense for you or anyone else. I encourage any Americans reading this thread to consult a legal professional, even if it is an informal friend of a friend type of deal and discuss 'Conspiracy' laws. Anyone who has any regular dealings with the Federal courts in the US will know about them. You are right, they shouldn't trust me, and they damn sure shouldn't trust you.

Really though, it is pointless for me to argue the intricacies of US law with a Russian money launderer.

Belorussian.

I understand Geography is not part of your DaVinci skillstet, amrite ?

Actually it is, as well as other skillz. The phrasing was intentional. Your response to it says a lot. BTW, I notice President Lukashenko got 79% of the vote in the last election. He must be a really a great guy to get that much support from his people.  Grin
Everybody who ever breaks the law has a reason, whether base or noble, for doing so. Making you rich should not be the reason anyone goes to prison.

How many people are in prison for laundering USD through WoW gold or those linden-dollar things ?  Roll Eyes

IIRC, 0

So go play someplace else and come back after at least one of those fairly straightforward schemes results in a conviction.

No, but there are people doing time for money laundering with another digital currency, E-gold. The funny part is that the guys running E-gold got the time, even though they weren't the ones doing the laundering. Damn conspiracy laws. Link: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/148720/internet_currency_firm_pleads_guilty_to_money_laundering.html

You might want to read that article and take some notes. It is far more analgous to LolCoins than WoW or Lindens.

No, although I can see where that can be misread. Your command and grasp of American English and the idioms and slang are absolutely amazing for a non-American. Makes one wonder if you are who you say you are. Russian money laundering is a bit of stereotype, and if you scammed everyone and disappeared...well that is to be expected when dealing with shady characters from Eastern Europe, right 'comrade'?

Not all are short term optimizers, comrade Smiley

Also, once again, Republic Belarus is (regrettably as a matter of fact) not Russia.
In fact, I can't seem to find where you have been posting in any other language except English. Hmmmm....

A нaвoштa мнe пicaць нa iншыx мoвax?

Кoжны мoжa выкapыcтoўвaць Google Translate, тaвapыш Wink

But I am convinced you are Belorussian, an American would not have corrected me so many times. As I said above, it was intentional.
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Cryptocurrencies are   abstractions formed by exotic math and more akin to distributed database service than anything else.
That argument (and a large bribe) might work in your court system. It most assuredly will not fly the US Federal Courts.

I assume you expect everyone to take an anonymous attorney-at-lol's word for it ?  Roll Eyes

They should trust a Russian money launderer instead? Admittedly it is in your best interest to obfuscate and distract from the topic at hand.

Belo-russian, pretty puhleez.

And so far, your argument boils down to "it will be so because I say so". I think that's a fairly poor argument.

Since it has been your stated intention from the beginning to launder money, you do not need to get caught 'irl'. Nor do you need to actually launder any money now. You have formed a conspiracy to break the law at some point in the future using GeistGeld and/or Tenebrix, and anyone who helps further either of those projects (by mining, hosting a pool, or an exchange, etc.) is part of that conspiracy and just as guilty under US law.

According to an anonymous intenet attorney-at-lol  Roll Eyes

Who can only repeat his statements over and over with no coherent argument. Everybody run and scream, an attorney at lol is on the case!

Really though, it is pointless for me to argue the intricacies of US law with a Russian money launderer.

Belorussian.

I understand Geography is not part of your DaVinci skillset, amrite ?


Everybody who ever breaks the law has a reason, whether base or noble, for doing so. Making you rich should not be the reason anyone goes to prison.

How many people are in prison for laundering USD through WoW gold or those linden-dollar things ?  Roll Eyes

IIRC, 0

So go play someplace else and come back after at least one of those fairly straightforward schemes results in a conviction.


No, although I can see where that can be misread. Your command and grasp of American English and the idioms and slang are absolutely amazing for a non-American. Makes one wonder if you are who you say you are. Russian money laundering is a bit of stereotype, and if you scammed everyone and disappeared...well that is to be expected when dealing with shady characters from Eastern Europe, right 'comrade'?

Not all are short term optimizers, comrade Smiley

Also, once again, Republic Belarus is (regrettably as a matter of fact) not Russia.
In fact, I can't seem to find where you have been posting in any other language except English. Hmmmm....

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Cryptocurrencies are   abstractions formed by exotic math and more akin to distributed database service than anything else.
That argument (and a large bribe) might work in your court system. It most assuredly will not fly the US Federal Courts.

I assume you expect everyone to take an anonymous attorney-at-lol's word for it ?  Roll Eyes

They should trust a Russian money launderer instead? Admittedly it is in your best interest to obfuscate and distract from the topic at hand.

What tweet? What are you on about?

Here-here



Ha ha ha haha.

Boy, this is absolutely hillarious. Could you please post this to Twitter or something ? (I can't pwomise a bounty, tho :-P )

No bounty, thx. I don't want to install a client and help further your continuing criminal enterprise. Thx, tho.
 


Which sort of strongly implies that you will tweet your e-lawyering fo' free Cheesy

No, although I can see where that can be misread. Your command and grasp of American English and the idioms and slang are absolutely amazing for a non-American. Makes one wonder if you are who you say you are. Russian money laundering is a bit of stereotype, and if you scammed everyone and disappeared...well that is to be expected when dealing with shady characters from Eastern Europe, right 'comrade'?

In fact, I can't seem to find where you have been posting in any other language except English. Hmmmm....
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Cryptocurrencies are   abstractions formed by exotic math and more akin to distributed database service than anything else.
That argument (and a large bribe) might work in your court system. It most assuredly will not fly the US Federal Courts.

I assume you expect everyone to take an anonymous attorney-at-lol's word for it ?  Roll Eyes

While this might cause the Courts to legally recognize blockchain based cryptocurrencies as currencies, the downsides to that recognition far outweigh any upsides.

I like that "might" of yours, and an interesting "what if?" scenario (in the same way that "younderboy might be a lawyer since no laws of physics prohibit such a weird circumstance" is an interesting hypothetical Wink )

The US has a host of laws dealing with money, and a case such as this would be a very good excuse for them to get cryptocurrencies regulated without actually passing any new laws.

Again, I assume you expect everyone to take an anonymous attorney-at-lol's word for it ?  Roll Eyes

Also, exactly same (lack of) logic that you seem to apply to Cryptocoins applies to WoW gold, and WoW gold "laundry" would be easier to prosecute.

So do give me a PM when they get arrests, or better yet, convictions in the US for cases of "world of warcraft" not-really-money laundering.


If you cannot launder 50 or 100 bitcoins worth of currency from yourself to yourself, you a bad money launderer indeed.

Oh, I am indeed broken by your astute and in-depth assessment of relative merits of sneaking out an unspecified amount of coins from an addy everyone knows about without getting NOTICED (as opposed to "caught irl")

I see you are not only a powerful e-lawyer, but also a computer crime e-xpert.

You are DaVinci of our times, dude Smiley
What tweet? What are you on about?

Here-here



Ha ha ha haha.

Boy, this is absolutely hillarious. Could you please post this to Twitter or something ? (I can't pwomise a bounty, tho :-P )

No bounty, thx. I don't want to install a client and help further your continuing criminal enterprise. Thx, tho.
 


Which sort of strongly implies that you will tweet your e-lawyering fo' free Cheesy
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Cryptocurrencies are   abstractions formed by exotic math and more akin to distributed database service than anything else.
That argument (and a large bribe) might work in your court system. It most assuredly will not fly the US Federal Courts. While this might cause the Courts to legally recognize blockchain based cryptocurrencies as currencies, the downsides to that recognition far outweigh any upsides. The US has a host of laws dealing with money, and a case such as this would be a very good excuse for them to get cryptocurrencies regulated without actually passing any new laws.

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Last time I checked, block explorers do not have a capacity to "forget x coins here and there".

If you cannot launder 50 or 100 bitcoins worth of currency from yourself to yourself, you a bad money launderer indeed.

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Please show me the tweet link, mister e-lawyer Smiley

What tweet? What are you on about?
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Having said that, how did those year-and-something old WoW-gold money laundering cases go, any arrests so far ;-P ? (do note that WoW gold has more in common with "proper money" than Tenebrix or Bitcoin or any other "cryptocurrency" of this general type)

WoW gold != proper money or else we wouldn't need blockchain based cryptocurencies at all.

Care to actually support that argument ?

What is "proper" money and how is it different from improper ?

I can store value in WoW gold, convert them to other forms of value storage, barter and trade with them... looks like monies to me.
You can also do the same with baseball cards, Magic the Gathering cards, postage stamps, etc. Does not make them 'proper' money.

Antique postage stamps would make decent money, very deflationary too, and quite a chore to counterfeit. And they have a proper formal issuer (usually, at least)

In fact, antique stamps are a huge market

Also, I doubt any form of 'proper' money is controlled by a single private corporation

Ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha

US Fed reserve is not a governmental organization proper, IIRC.

Try again.

You brought the 'proper money' argument in and how WoW gold is more like it than LolCoins. By your subsequent arguments cryptocurrencies are just as much 'proper money' as WoW gold is, since I can store value in them, exchange them for other forms of storage, barter and trade with them, etc. So which is it?

Per definition I use, "proper" money must have a formal issuer, which is true for WoW gold but not for cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrencies are   abstractions formed by exotic math and more akin to distributed database service than anything else. The BTC specifically is also a bit like antique postage stamps (finite amount, incounterfeitable, amount is bound to decrease)

But REALLY be "proper money", something has to be recognized as legal tender and have a "guaranteed" value (which e-gold did) at least in some country, however shitty and remote it might be.

Money laundering X-coins is thus at most, a metaphor, since they are not legal tender and have neither a formal issuer nor any guaranteed value, and are best described as an exotic "mathematical memorabilia" built upon a complicated distributed database service.


Not at once. You can't cash out 77,000 btc at MtGox right now even if you wanted to, let alone exchange all your Lolcoins for btc. 50 or 100 btc worth here and there will never be noticed though, and is still enough for you live comfortably in your Eastern European paradise.

Last time I checked, block explorers do not have a capacity to "forget x coins here and there".

It is called the United States Code. The law of my land. Truth > willful misunderstanding. Most people don't get that until the gavel falls at the end of their day in court.

I see you are still waxing poetic.

Please show me the tweet link, mister e-lawyer Smiley
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Having said that, how did those year-and-something old WoW-gold money laundering cases go, any arrests so far ;-P ? (do note that WoW gold has more in common with "proper money" than Tenebrix or Bitcoin or any other "cryptocurrency" of this general type)

WoW gold != proper money or else we wouldn't need blockchain based cryptocurencies at all.

Care to actually support that argument ?

What is "proper" money and how is it different from improper ?

I can store value in WoW gold, convert them to other forms of value storage, barter and trade with them... looks like monies to me.
You can also do the same with baseball cards, Magic the Gathering cards, postage stamps, etc. Does not make them 'proper' money. Also, I doubt any form of 'proper' money is controlled by a single private corporation. You brought the 'proper money' argument in and how WoW gold is more like it than LolCoins. By your subsequent arguments cryptocurrencies are just as much 'proper money' as WoW gold is, since I can store value in them, exchange them for other forms of storage, barter and trade with them, etc. So which is it?

Scary, really scary... What was the name of that  religion you are preaching again?

It is called the United States Code. The law of my land. Truth > willful misunderstanding. Most people don't get that until the gavel falls at the end of their day in court.
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What I have is the truth.




Scary, really scary... What was the name of that  religion you are preaching again?

He seems to be an attorney at lol.

Attorney at lol is not a religion per se, but it might be considered a spiritual state akin to meditation Smiley
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Scary, really scary... What was the name of that  religion you are preaching again?
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P.S.:
Having said that, how did those year-and-something old WoW-gold money laundering cases go, any arrests so far ;-P ? (do note that WoW gold has more in common with "proper money" than Tenebrix or Bitcoin or any other "cryptocurrency" of this general type)

WoW gold != proper money or else we wouldn't need blockchain based cryptocurencies at all.

Care to actually support that argument ?

What is "proper" money and how is it different from improper ?

I can store value in WoW gold, convert them to other forms of value storage, barter and trade with them... looks like monies to me.


If it were so superior you would be laundering money with it instead of Lolcoins.

I would if I could, but I'm Belorussian and WoW is a mite problematic from here, besides, there already are sophisticated WoW-centric money laundries, and competition would be tough.

Nice scam with your chains btw, if either one goes to .01 btc your net worth would be about 77,000 btc. I imagine one could live nicely for quite some time in Belarus for that. Hell, one could live nicely in America for that much.

Quite frankly, bullshit since I won't be able to sell them off.

Of course, if their value goes to 0.01 btc AND actual governments start accepting Tenebrix as legal tender (lol), things will change  Roll Eyes

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Where is the link to your tweet ? Sad
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