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' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.
For the last couple of years , people keep talking and questioning about KYC in Online gambling specially in Crypto world when the truth is  KYC must be Mandatory if they don't want to have bigger problem in the future.
imagine when you need to withdraw above the limit of the site when you need to go through providing your legitimacy as winner ,
why not provide this earlier?
and the problem also in some site that they are not implementing KYC in account creation and in depositing ,but they will implement when there is withdrawal ,showing that they are only trapping gamblers and take the advantage or possibilities that the said withdrawal will not go through because of questionable players.
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So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

First of all, I would like to point out that if the casino service I will use doesn't have a good reputation I definitely don't prefer this service for gambling because a business that doesn't have a reputation usually contributes significantly to the emergence of various problems. Additionally, verification of customers' identity information is generally mandated by the government in online and physical casinos. For this reason, sharing identity and private information after choosing a non-reputable gambling service is abused due to this obligation.

The only suggestion I can make about such a situation is to do research on the casino service to be used before starting to gamble and if it is a reputable business choose to gamble there. In this way, if identity verification is requested after a potential high win the identity verification process can be completed without any suspicion and the winnings withdrawal can be completed successfully.
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This is where their license will come in. Whatever country has jurisdiction over the said gambling site could provide some help to the gamblers who are scammed, the gambler can sue them for not giving out the rewards that are supposed to be his. Most scammy gambling sites don't have a license to operate and we must also look into that first before we pass our KYC.
Without it, we will just get ourselves in more trouble with both anti-money laundering cases and maybe tax evasion.
For the example you said, if ever there comes a victim of a scam gambling site who is still avoiding all the passed information by the gambler, there is nothing we can do to chase everything that they took.
KYC is for those with legitimate business because they don't want trouble from their government and I think it's also a good thing for higher security. Other gambling sites only do this so they can sell our information in the black market and that's when we will receive some phishing emails or identity theft.

Thanks for sharing this and I have often wondered, how do I know which license is the right one and which is not? I am referring to the potential recourse you can take based on the specific license obtained by a casino. When I read these certificate numbers and letters, it is mostly hieroglyphs to me. How can I find out whether a specific license can help me with any action I may want to take against a casino in case of required arbitration or litigation? Sure, if there is no license at all, we don't even need to bother about KYC and let alone any money we won on that platform. But if they have a license, is there a place on the Internet I can go to and that tells me about the options I have in case of a dispute?
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With that amount, that's already a lot of money honestly and the majority of us wouldn't mind going on with the procedure of providing for the KYC. I know that we all value our privacy but with that win and money, do you think that you can just ignore that? If you're rich like Drake or any other gamblers then for sure it won't matter to you but I think even, they won't just let it pass to ignore that money.

It is a lot of money to ignore and if you ever have that stand that you are totally valuing your privacy, you probably also have provided KYC in some exchanges so it doesn't make sense if in a casino where you've won a lot and they're asking you for verification will not be noticed. In exchanges, we do it so we can trade whilst in this scenario there's money on the line and it's hard to pass over that.

Aside from that, if you really like the casino that you're gambling with and they ask you to do that. That's something that will take away your joy when you like them so much and you enjoy having fun there.

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' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.

That's the wrong approach. I should beforehand consider whether I would be willing to provide full KYC to the known or unknown operators of a casino. If the answer to myself is that I won't provide KYC, wouldn't it be totally wrong to start playing on that website? At least if I have to deposit money and am not playing with either free bets or free spins, I should make sure what to do when the unlikely event happens that I crack a jackpot. Unless I would be playing with free money where in the end it doesn't matter whether I can withdraw (although it could still be painful, but I don't lose any), I would not play on a website that I don't trust.
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' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.
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But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

Of course, even though a lottery outlet will also ask for personal data information from the person who won, it can't be without KYC to show. Of course, that's for identification, to prove that you really are the person who won on their platform. Don't give it to just one person, because then many people will pretend to be it.

Especially with his kind of value, it is normal to ask you for documents because it is not a small amount of value to release the money on the gambling platform where you won a large value.
It will depend on whether we think about doing KYC or will skip it even though our winnings are big. Many people may do KYC if it's a lot of money because they think that with that much money, they can enjoy it and change their lives for the better. But some people don't care about those big wins because they must do KYC before withdrawing the winnings.

And that is a natural thing for many people because they have their own considerations before they do something. However, some people will borrow someone else's identity to do KYC because they think that their identity is optional to do KYC at the casino.
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But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

Of course, even though a lottery outlet will also ask for personal data information from the person who won, it can't be without KYC to show. Of course, that's for identification, to prove that you really are the person who won on their platform. Don't give it to just one person, because then many people will pretend to be it.

Especially with his kind of value, it is normal to ask you for documents because it is not a small amount of value to release the money on the gambling platform where you won a large value.
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Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
This is hard but are you going to let your won money be forfeited? $70k is a huge amount, it can change your life for the better. Therefore, if that's the only solution then I'll go with it and take a risk.

Anyway, if you don't want to put in such situation, be careful on where you're going to gamble. Choose a reputable casinos so you're certain that they will not going to scam you. Moreover, better to comply on KYC before playing so it's not a problem incase you win a huge amount. Avoid playing in new casinos unless their platform is proven by gamblers as trustworthy based on their experience playing on the casino.
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But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

I myself have said before that platforms should ask for KYC if they plan to do so before anyone can deposit money and not only ask for KYC once someone won something. But then again I wonder if someone is dealing with a platform that also intends to scam, what does it help when KYC is provided and approved beforehand? Does it even make a difference? If a platform approves KYC and there is a big win, firstly they could still say that their security department found that there is something missing or wrong with the documentation provided, and secondly they could just scam someone and come up with all kinds of reasons that are hard to counter, like some suspicious playing behavior and then they don't provide proof themselves, we know how they do it.
This is where their license will come in. Whatever country has jurisdiction over the said gambling site could provide some help to the gamblers who are scammed, the gambler can sue them for not giving out the rewards that are supposed to be his. Most scammy gambling sites don't have a license to operate and we must also look into that first before we pass our KYC.
Without it, we will just get ourselves in more trouble with both anti-money laundering cases and maybe tax evasion.
For the example you said, if ever there comes a victim of a scam gambling site who is still avoiding all the passed information by the gambler, there is nothing we can do to chase everything that they took.
KYC is for those with legitimate business because they don't want trouble from their government and I think it's also a good thing for higher security. Other gambling sites only do this so they can sell our information in the black market and that's when we will receive some phishing emails or identity theft.
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So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.


First mate , I don't want to just jump in casino that not ask KYC for creating account and deposit/play instantly instead I will Dig their TOC and check the possibilities of being asked KYC when withdrawal needs.

Second I already saw so many issues about that same problem , in which the site will suddenly asked for all types of KYC( hoping that you fail and won't get your money for some violation) isn't obvious that they wanted to trap us?

better to forget about KYC in gambling and admit that yo have more safer gambling games is to deal with KYC upfront ( of course not all casino that ask KYC are legit)
but for other reason try not to deal with so New gambling site.
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First of all no scam site will ever let you win a big amount. And if you transfer a huge amount like $70k from a site and it gets added to your balance. and if they demand Kyc from you to withdraw it then I don't think anyone will feel shy to do kyc at that time. as for me I always use reputable casinos and if I win a big amount there I never hesitate to kyc there. And one who is worried about kyc should not gamble. Because if you want to gamble regularly on a site you have to do kyc and those who don't gamble regularly can't win a big amount.

You can play and actually win big in a scam casino. The problem lies in the withdrawal of your winnings. You would have your account blocked and likely be accused of cheating the system with no proof or specific reason.
If you’ve chosen to be a regular on a particular online casino, then it’s best you should complete KYC from the start. Most people do KYC whenever they’ve got their winning stuck on the casino and you are now required to do it before your winnings are released. To avoid all of this, it’s better to do it from the start.
Your point about people who don’t gamble regularly can’t win a substantial amount is not entirely accurate. I believe it’s possible to win a big sum on your very first bet.
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Thorough research about the casino will prevent us from all the problems that could arise later. We don't need to worry about choosing the wrong casino because we can get the one that suits us. By making sure the casino is the casino we are looking for, we can feel comfortable when gambling, and even though we will be asked to do KYC by the casino, we won't mind. We already know that the casino can protect the data we provide and provide us with privacy so that we don't have to worry about anything.

And finding a suitable casino can make us comfortable when gambling. By always doing thorough research on the casinos, we can provide a list of casinos that are suitable for us so that we don't just have one casino but several casinos that are really suitable for us when gambling.
Yes, doing research about casino beforehand can help you find a suitable place to gamble. Paying attention to factors such as reputation, privacy policy, game variety, bonuses, and ease of payment processing can help you determine the casino that suits your preferences and needs.

By having several suitable casino options, you can access a diverse gambling experience that suits your wishes. By identifying casinos that offer a comfortable and safe environment, you can ensure that your gambling experience is smooth and enjoyable, stay be careful and do thorough research to find the casino that best suits your gambling preferences and style.
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Privacy is much concerned, but when it comes to money and there is a need to reveal our identity I'll go with it. Life changing moments won't happen all the time, and opportunity missed is missed forever. I don't want to lose it and struggle for the rest of my life. Many people prefer gambling with cryptocurrencies to keep their gambling activities hidden from the outer world. Gambling is all about luck and why should we avoid the luck. Also there is no assurance that you'll get lucky to win same as this in the future. To avoid such confusions the better choice is to prefer the trusted platform for gambling, so that there is nothing to worry.

It is better just to go with a reliable platform, even if you need to reveal your personal information once to that platform.
Also, nowadays I would dare to say that using cryptocurrency does not guarantee anonymity these days, with the software and technology related to Blockchain analysis and also regulation.
There is a good reason why there not many popular casinos which like to give support to Monero, which is a truly decentralized and 100% anonymous alternative cryptocurrency. If some big casino started to accept Monero or other privacy focused coins, then regulators would intervene, obviously.

So, it is harder to remain fully anonymous nowadays while gambling, not as I have read on the old days, when Bitcoin was considered actually anonymous.
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There's no wrong with submitting our KYC details as long as we know that the casino is legit and is reputable. Even if it's a new casino, that does not mean that it's not reputable and can't be trusted anymore. Remember that big and successful casinos these days have all started from a scratch. So if you trust that casino, then submit KYC and give all the documents that they need so you can withdraw your big win. What is privacy actually in exchange for a life changing winning amount. I'm sure a lot here would do the same.
Every new casino must be reviewed from all aspects of security and trustworthiness, we need time to assess the reputation of the new casino, reputation must be based on feedback from users and the community. Unless a new casino has been released from a joint project between 2 top casino companies, they are committed to creating a new casino and that casino automatically has the inherent reputation of the previous casino.

So be wise in assessing the reputation of each casino because it affects the KYC documents that you verify, make sure you choose a top casino that already has a trusted reputation and you don't feel worried about the KYC that has been used at the casino.
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But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

If you make use of a casino and supply ball their requirements for KYC is one advantage on itself, but if we choose not to go by having any requests on KYC then we can decide not to use a KYC casino from the selection of our choice, because here we are considering the most important aspect of our personal life which is privacy in gambling, users mostly have issues with using the gambling platforms immediately they discovered that they were unable to supply every required documents for kyc, that's why it's always best going for a no KYC casino before starting.
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Given the situation by @OP,  I will definitely undergo KYC on that platform in order to withdraw the amount.  It is a life changing amount in my country where I can buy my own house, a car and some amount to start-up a business.  What is privacy when I am starving to death.  At least I can exchange my privacy to a life changing amount.  Besides, I am in hope that the platform will take care of my data and won't sell it in the market.  Besides, this is not my first time to undergo full KYC in a platform.  Grin


There's no wrong with submitting our KYC details as long as we know that the casino is legit and is reputable. Even if it's a new casino, that does not mean that it's not reputable and can't be trusted anymore. Remember that big and successful casinos these days have all started from a scratch. So if you trust that casino, then submit KYC and give all the documents that they need so you can withdraw your big win. What is privacy actually in exchange for a life changing winning amount. I'm sure a lot here would do the same.

This is the reason why conducting research before playing on a casino is a must. If you don't want to get scam, then do prior preparations before gambling. But sometimes those we expect that are reputable and legit casinos still fall as scams. In that case, we don't hold the control anymore.
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Privacy is much concerned, but when it comes to money and there is a need to reveal our identity I'll go with it. Life changing moments won't happen all the time, and opportunity missed is missed forever. I don't want to lose it and struggle for the rest of my life. Many people prefer gambling with cryptocurrencies to keep their gambling activities hidden from the outer world. Gambling is all about luck and why should we avoid the luck. Also there is no assurance that you'll get lucky to win same as this in the future. To avoid such confusions the better choice is to prefer the trusted platform for gambling, so that there is nothing to worry.

New gamblers was not ready to accept the kyc verification at the beginning,because they need of extreme privacy.After the gambling sites ask the gambler to do kyc verification for the withdrew of the money,then they will do the kyc for the money.So the money is always ultimate one,the gamblers doing gambling for the money generation for their life.The gambling is based on the luck and the gambler should agreed this point and do the gambling with the game responsibility.The way of accepting the loss in the gambling was the difference between the experienced and the new gamblers in the gambling.
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Privacy is much concerned, but when it comes to money and there is a need to reveal our identity I'll go with it. Life changing moments won't happen all the time, and opportunity missed is missed forever. I don't want to lose it and struggle for the rest of my life. Many people prefer gambling with cryptocurrencies to keep their gambling activities hidden from the outer world. Gambling is all about luck and why should we avoid the luck. Also there is no assurance that you'll get lucky to win same as this in the future. To avoid such confusions the better choice is to prefer the trusted platform for gambling, so that there is nothing to worry.
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Yes thats right, doing thorough research about the casino before getting involved in gambling is a wise moved. Identifying casinos that suit your preferences and needs, including their flexibility in implementing KYC procedures, can help ensure a safe and enjoyable gambling experience. Some casinos do have more flexible KYC rules, which can accommodate your privacy and personal data security preferences.

However, regulatory regulations requiring casinos to request KYC remain in effect, and it is important to comply with applicable regulations in the region. Thus, it is important to find a casino that not only suits your gaming preference, but also complies with the rules and regulation imposed by the competent authorities.
Thorough research about the casino will prevent us from all the problems that could arise later. We don't need to worry about choosing the wrong casino because we can get the one that suits us. By making sure the casino is the casino we are looking for, we can feel comfortable when gambling, and even though we will be asked to do KYC by the casino, we won't mind. We already know that the casino can protect the data we provide and provide us with privacy so that we don't have to worry about anything.

And finding a suitable casino can make us comfortable when gambling. By always doing thorough research on the casinos, we can provide a list of casinos that are suitable for us so that we don't just have one casino but several casinos that are really suitable for us when gambling.
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