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Quote from: dimox on November 19, 2018, 09:54:28 PM

much money and bitcoin.
but, i think the best way to move bitcoin price is, try make offer price above if you want to rise, and low if you want to make it cheap. but, must be many people contribute this one. better if you gather people than you try hard to collect much money than change it

Sadly, i don't think anyone of us here can come up with such amounts to influence the price even a bit. We're probably talking about millions of dollars here. And regular people like us can only do so collectively though a lot of times, we're also driven by the actions of whales.

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I need bitcoin to raise prices to be able to earn less money. I have invested in bitcoins for quite a while but their prices are falling sharply. Everything was too bad for me. My only joy at this moment is sending bitcoin.

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I think that one person will not be able to influence the market in such a way that it grew as last year. This requires the actions of a group of people who have most of the coins in their hands or have enough money to buy a large number of coins. But I believe that the talk about market manipulation is not empty and it is worth to work on the analysis of this situation.

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I don't why but I always think that you need to have millions to be able to influence the price. It will never be a small number.

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much money and bitcoin.
but, i think the best way to move bitcoin price is, try make offer price above if you want to rise, and low if you want to make it cheap. but, must be many people contribute this one. better if you gather people than you try hard to collect much money than change it

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I have observed that if there is pump and dump movements in the whole market within a day then its already involved Billions of dollars. So i guess the average minimum figure to move the market of each coin will be atleast $1 Billion. https://www.ccn.com/14-billion-wiped-out-of-crypto-market-as-all-major-assets-plunge-in-value/.

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Since the crypto market is not united, the price manipulation is a comparatively less difficult task but still, it would require a comparatively high amount of money and I believe that the price rally took place in the last quarter of the last year was the result of the involvement of big whales and institutional investors which also caused the panic buying wave at the same time. However, such practices will reduce over the period of time.

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Quote from: PlusOne88 on November 19, 2018, 10:10:17 AM

This would be very big I guess, only whales can probably do this in an instant. One good example of dumping that change the value was that of MT. Gox where the value was quite big to really create a change in price and cause a stir among investors that results in further more dumping of coins. I think collectively if people would have choosen the same option of holding or dumping the coin then it is also quite possible but this couldn't happen so easily.

You don't need to guess it, with every market can be manipulated, the bigger share of the market you have the easier for you will be to manipulate with that market. Take the total worth of the market and with 50% of the market in your pocket you can do what ever you want, you can control distribution and supply, you can control and demand if you know how.
When you don't have a big share of the market but you want to manipulate with the market you need to know how to use media's in that purpose and how to rise panic or fever among people, doing one or other you can affect the masses to do what you want and like that to change supply and demand in your advantage.

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This would be very big I guess, only whales can probably do this in an instant. One good example of dumping that change the value was that of MT. Gox where the value was quite big to really create a change in price and cause a stir among investors that results in further more dumping of coins. I think collectively if people would have choosen the same option of holding or dumping the coin then it is also quite possible but this couldn't happen so easily.

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100000 dollars, in that kind of capital we can say that we can manipulate the market. That is why whales are the manipulators of the market because even they want it or not, they pull the market based from they will do. If we can raise that kind of money in this industry, I think we can make profit easily. People are driven by price, therefore if there is a manipulation, they will follow also.

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very much of course, currently the price of bitcoin is falling. and one of them is because one of the companies from the BCH manager sells more than 2k bitcoin at low prices. so the price of bitcoin becomes a dump.

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Quote from: Soneo on June 18, 2018, 12:52:17 PM

I think maybe it could be up to $ 1 million to be able to affect the price in the market

There is no exact amount of money that could help you influence the price of bitcoin. If so, I don't think that $1 million is enough. It must be more.

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Quote from: bayu7adi on November 14, 2018, 10:14:17 PM

You must have 50% of the total market cap to really be able to pump or dump,
but not necessarily in that way your money will come back, because the world of cryptocurrency is full of risks that are not expected to diga
or even you can use 1000 USD to pay for some of the top media in releasing false news, that is the most effective way

It actually depends on what you are influencing really. In most cases, if you are trying to influence a market with a small market cap, there is every chance you may not need so much to do that, but you also have to consider the possibilities of actually getting to see market participants when it comes to such coins.

I have seen some coins with trading volume most especially of less than 2BTC, so in such cases, these are markets that can easily be manipulated and moved by any whale after accumulating a lot, but like I said, you will still need to be sure of the market you are trying to move, which in most cases, markets in conditions like this, are usually more of shit coins.

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Maybe not necessary or good idea to put billions from your wallet to manipulate the price of bitcoin, invest a little then hold it a year if thousand people do this im sure it will be big impact on bitcoin price we need unity..

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Quote from: rikybrosh on November 14, 2018, 10:41:18 PM

Only by sell 2500 btc is enough to make big fall in bitcoin market. Many people only have few bitcoin in their wallet and few people who hoarding a lot of bitcoin now. This gap makes the market is playable by those whale. Bitcoin price move too fast last year and give very big chance for those whale to maximize their profit bu sell their bitcoin gradually, until now.

this is feared if they continue to sell it gradually, as if the downward trend will continue to occur gradually as well. it means that it is still long enough to wait for the bullrun to occur, maybe the government is one key to saving it

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Only by sell 2500 btc is enough to make big fall in bitcoin market. Many people only have few bitcoin in their wallet and few people who hoarding a lot of bitcoin now. This gap makes the market is playable by those whale. Bitcoin price move too fast last year and give very big chance for those whale to maximize their profit bu sell their bitcoin gradually, until now.

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dont be greedy

You must have 50% of the total market cap to really be able to pump or dump,
but not necessarily in that way your money will come back, because the world of cryptocurrency is full of risks that are not expected to diga
or even you can use 1000 USD to pay for some of the top media in releasing false news, that is the most effective way

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Quote from: Adhichan on October 26, 2018, 03:32:05 AM

Quote from: margaret22 on October 24, 2018, 04:17:02 AM

It depends on which coin we talk about. To influence Bitcoin's price by your own, you would need a lot of them for sure, which I think not many Bitcoin investor has. And also, as I heard, big whales trade in OTC markets, which does not influence Bitcoin's price.

individual investors could influence to bitcoin price in market.it would need huge money to did it and only big speculators that have several consortium member able to make price move up and down.

To be able to influence the market prices, like Whales do, you need very big share of the market. As long as you do not have enough capital invested, you would not have the ability to bring changes in the market by making shifts in the funds you have.

The people who do so owns as high as but not limited to a range of Bitcoins from 1000 to 30,000. This is no doubt very big amount of coins and one can change the face of the game by using the power.

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To manipulate and influence the price of bitcoin you need a huge amount of money hundred million i think and also a influence people in crypto like jp morgan etc, but for sure bitcoin will recover and will recover if someone manipulate it.

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Quote from: jossiel on June 18, 2018, 07:26:52 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on June 18, 2018, 12:09:05 PM

If the SEC says that the high price increase of last year was manipulation, then they must bring the proof. Let's do our own

informal assessment of the situation and determine what would be needed to cause that kind of a spike in the price. Wink

I'd always believed that the market has been manipulated but you made me shook my head after reading your point about this topic.

$1 billion isn't enough and even $10 Billion will only give small impact to the price of bitcoin which can move for about +$100 to it's price. (IMO)

Can't say on how much money is needed to make the price move and start manipulating it. I'd say if there is, then it can be a big group that has more $50 billion.

This data shock me for that big amount of money needed to influence the bitcoin price. If it's correct then it shows that no single person could manipulate the bitcoin price with the use of his own money. It should be a group of whales that can influence and those bad news that will panic the investors to sell their bitcoin.

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