How obnoxious are moderators who modify posts just because they can?

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 20, 2024, 05:50:49 AM

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on September 19, 2024, 06:03:27 PM

Click here to see an example of posts being edited by moderators.

What did frodocooper actually do to those members' posts?

This was shortly after I started scraping unedited posts, so it looks like he only removed 2 pointless "Enters". Searing has a weird writing style: I think he hits Enter (twice) when he reaches the side of his browser window (this looks especially weird when my browser window is smaller than his). No damage was done in editing this (but it wasn't needed either).

Quote from: _BlackStar on September 20, 2024, 06:59:28 AM

Source: https://ninjastic.space/post/52162302

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Here is a link to someone who got an Apple II Computer from 'ancient' times to mine Bitcoin! (or a futile attempt at shoveling all the sand in the world from 1 side to the other in difficulty)

Now this is interesting: how did those 2 Enters not show up in Ninjastic's archive? It doesn't show an edit history, and he got those old posts from me.

Quote from: PX-Z on September 20, 2024, 10:16:22 AM

Ninjastic.space archive starts late 2020, the post you mentioned posted earlier, year 2019. Any earlier posts before the bot creation will be saved as it is.

It could be he re-scraped them. @TryNinja?

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There's no point in creating a thread like this, we all know that moderators of this forum are doing their duty very well and i sometimes they delete a post then there's a valid reason behind it. The moderators often avoid deleting even spamming posts because they don't want to misuse their powers, however when it's needed to delete a post then they delete it.

Sometimes a user posts consecutively and replying to each member in form of separate post then in those cases moderator give their time to merge those posts into one to avoid unnecessary extra posts. Some users, mostly newbies do such kind of consecutive posting.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 07:09:27 PM

Separate responses to different people should not be merged into one post unless the poster wants to do that.

I've been posting on bitcointalk for more than ten years under various usernames, and most interference by moderators is not about improving anything.

The “Horizontal Rule” button is there so you can add some separation between your responses that could be made within the same post. Creating separate, consecutive posts for each reply can be annoying and spammy. I made this mistake when I was new to Bitcointalk and forums in general, but if you’re not a newbie and have been around 10 years you should already know this is frowned upon.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 07:06:22 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Smith on September 20, 2024, 05:09:27 PM

How about learn vocabulary before entering to English board.

^cough^

Yes I agree, the above is absurd & just wrong. It should have been worded, "How about learn to vocabulary before entering English board."

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 07:06:22 PM

The posts that were combined were separate responses to different people.

They should not be merged into one post, but if I had wanted to merge them I would have.

You're going out of your way to not get it, and writing consecutive posts in this thread to prove how far you are willing to go to not get it. The reason the rule exists is to prevent accounts from continually bumping a thread or dominating its discussion. If you don't like it, "stiff," as Craig Wrong would say.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 07:06:22 PM

They should not be merged into one post, but if I had wanted to merge them I would have.

Or, if you had read the rules. You know, the ones pinned at the top of this board:

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Forum rules

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

You can still reply to multiple people in a single post. There's even a link on the reply page to insert a quote from one of the previous responses:

It's very easy to follow the rules around here. Most are simply guidelines for those who don't know what common curtesy is.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 07:09:27 PM

Quote from: Churchillvv on September 20, 2024, 05:24:34 PM

When you find yourself in a new place what's required of you is first find the rules and regulations guarding the place after that try as much as possible to adhere to the rules hence you wouldn't be complaining of your post getting deleted or merged.

Perhaps if you have some post most likely related it will for sure be merged if mods finds it convincing to merge.

Getting this message that your post has been deleted is just reminder that you should try to post constructively and act according to rules in each thread and anyone can be moderated regardless of the rank once you violate the rules you will get moderated.

Separate responses to different people should not be merged into one post unless the poster wants to do that.

I've been posting on bitcointalk for more than ten years under various usernames, and most interference by moderators is not about improving anything.

you should consider adhering to the pattern which the mods wants every post.

Don't you think? it doesn't make any sense having only you commenting on a post several times? looking at the above response which you can probably make in just a post you prefer making 10 post to 10 different people in one thread.

Personally if I was a mod I will do same because it's against the ethics of the forum.

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Quote from: Churchillvv on September 20, 2024, 05:24:34 PM

When you find yourself in a new place what's required of you is first find the rules and regulations guarding the place after that try as much as possible to adhere to the rules hence you wouldn't be complaining of your post getting deleted or merged.

Perhaps if you have some post most likely related it will for sure be merged if mods finds it convincing to merge.

Getting this message that your post has been deleted is just reminder that you should try to post constructively and act according to rules in each thread and anyone can be moderated regardless of the rank once you violate the rules you will get moderated.

Separate responses to different people should not be merged into one post unless the poster wants to do that.

I've been posting on bitcointalk for more than ten years under various usernames, and most interference by moderators is not about improving anything.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Smith on September 20, 2024, 05:09:27 PM

How about learn vocabulary before entering to English board.

^cough^

The posts that were combined were separate responses to different people.

They should not be merged into one post, but if I had wanted to merge them I would have.

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When you find yourself in a new place what's required of you is first find the rules and regulations guarding the place after that try as much as possible to adhere to the rules hence you wouldn't be complaining of your post getting deleted or merged.

Perhaps if you have some post most likely related it will for sure be merged if mods finds it convincing to merge.

Getting this message that your post has been deleted is just reminder that you should try to post constructively and act according to rules in each thread and anyone can be moderated regardless of the rank once you violate the rules you will get moderated.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 04:51:33 PM

I had one deleted post that I reposted and the moderator did change the actual text. If I see it I will post a link.

It's just one post right then how about show us what exactly was altered by moderator instead of whining about it.

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 04:51:33 PM

So somebody feels consecutive posts allows them to alter what somebody has posted by merging posts.

Moderator's can merge of two people posts into on, they will only do it when you posted two posts in a row I mean from the same user posting one after one.

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 04:51:33 PM

Why not let moderators correct spelling and grammar? How about correcting flawed opinions?

How about learn vocabulary before entering to English board.

Mods don't delete a post for wrong grammar, or even if you posted wrong information it would be unlikely to be deleted cause bitcointalk still allows freedom of speech.

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Quote from: Coyster on September 19, 2024, 05:21:35 PM

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 19, 2024, 04:21:51 PM

I've had many posts deleted. Once I reposted a deleted post and the moderator changed the text. Now with this username there have been no outright deletions, but a moderator combines any two posts into one then sends the message

Moderators will not edit/change texts written by you, they are only going to merge your posts if you make consecutive posts, which is not allowed in the forum, stop making consecutive posts and moderators wouldn't have to merge your posts again. Then if they trash or delete your posts, then it is because it was off-topic and instead of complaining about moderators, it is better to look at your posts and improve them.

I had one deleted post that I reposted and the moderator did change the actual text. If I see it I will post a link.

So somebody feels consecutive posts allows them to alter what somebody has posted by merging posts.

Why not let moderators correct spelling and grammar? How about correcting flawed opinions?

You are either altering somebody's post or you are not.

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Quote from: nutildah on September 19, 2024, 10:33:05 PM

3 isn't many. Just don't post consecutively in the same thread within 24 hours. If you think of something new to say and your post is the last in a thread, simply edit the post to append your new thoughts to it (if its been less than 24 hours since posting).

It seems he is talking about post(s) deleted from his other account(s) after reading the bolded part.

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 19, 2024, 04:21:51 PM

I've had many posts deleted. Once I reposted a deleted post and the moderator changed the text. Now with this username there have been no outright deletions, but a moderator combines any two posts into one then sends the message

@OP, it just means you broke the rule of no consecutive posts and regarding the post deletion and not from this account doesn't mean these are not breaking the forum rules, it just means yet to be reported.

Anyway I recommend you not to post the deleted posts cause it can lead to ban for plagiarism if you're doing it from different account. If you think your post has been deleted without valid reason then bring attention to why there has been a mistake cause there are few incidents deleted posts were retrieved later once it's proven no violation found.

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The duty of moderators is to maintain the sanity and integrity of the forum, which includes moderating the contents of members. Moderators have every right to edit or delete posts that violate the forum rules. Instead of feeling attacked, maybe you should ask yourself why you are constantly being attacked. Go read the forum rules again and I'm sure you will find the answers you seek.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 20, 2024, 05:50:49 AM

I'm still confused, though. What did frodocooper actually do to those members' posts? We're not talking about a mod writing stuff that a member didn't write in his post, correct?

frodocooper usually edited badly quoted posts and as far as know, he never edited the content of posts. For example, see this post.

And sometimes, the size of images which was complained by notblox1 in the following thread.
Moderator frodocooper editing post and reducing image size?

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Quote from: _BlackStar on September 20, 2024, 06:59:28 AM

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n the above case - I also think the same, the moderator does not send a notification to the author of the thread whose post has been edited. The reason for the edit can vary - such as removing a referral link in the thread or other links instead of deleting the thread.

Yeah, it might be, but for referral links, instead of mods editing it, it will be probably deleted.

Quote from: _BlackStar on September 20, 2024, 06:59:28 AM

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I'm not sure what was edited from that post - you can compare it to the archived post by ninjastic. I can't find anything different - both posts are exactly the same with no edit history.

Source: https://ninjastic.space/post/52162302

Ninjastic.space archive starts late 2020, the post you mentioned posted earlier, year 2019. Any earlier posts before the bot creation will be saved as it is.

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Quote from: PX-Z on September 20, 2024, 06:27:39 AM

Quote from: _BlackStar on September 20, 2024, 06:17:54 AM

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Merging posts are okay, as it only "merging" multiple posts in a single post. But the one on the thread mentioned by hosseinimr93 is different, there's no note for merging posts, the mod just edited the post for some reason.

Oh my bad - sorry, now I see what you mean.
In the above case - I also think the same, the moderator does not send a notification to the author of the thread whose post has been edited. The reason for the edit can vary - such as removing a referral link in the thread or other links instead of deleting the thread.

I'm not sure what was edited from that post - you can compare it to the archived post by ninjastic. I can't find anything different - both posts are exactly the same with no edit history.

Source: https://ninjastic.space/post/52162302

Quote from: Searing on August 14, 2019, 03:01:57 PM

Here is a link to someone who got an Apple II Computer from 'ancient' times to mine Bitcoin! (or a futile attempt at shoveling all the sand in the world from 1 side to the other in difficulty)

https://retroconnector.com/mining-bitcoin-on-an-apple-ii-a-highly-impractical-guide/

I found this pretty amusing!

What other links can folk find of 'impractical' devices to mine Bitcoin?

Post them here.

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Regarding moderator changing the content — I don't like it, this has happened to me on other forums, but not here, if it happened here, I'm not aware of it.

I have had post deletions though, which I don't stress over.

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Some sites like reddit, twitter, youtube etc are famous for becoming successful by overcontrolling members.

In my experience, Reddit is much freer, Twitter — I'd rate it lower than Reddit and I'd rate YT worst — YT's stupid AI mod blocks whatever it wants, even if your comment doesn't contain anything worth censoring, gave up lately to even bother to make a comment there.

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Op you have to read more than posting. If you were reading more you would have seen some of those rules from other threads or from rules. Deleting post by moderators is general and not only you. And if I am not mistaking, almost all the people that have made comments here have been gotten a deleted post message from the forum so it is not a new thing. And all what you have to do to avoid such deletion again from the forum moderators, you have to post quality posts and not off topics and spamming. Don't post after your post when another person has not posted. You have to wait for another person to post first before posting again.

And also edit your quoting so that your posting will look neat.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on September 20, 2024, 06:17:54 AM

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I wonder if users get a notification that their posts were edited by a moderator just like a personal message notification when posts were deleted by a mod.

I have reported many posting violations so far from many different users - such as multiple posts in the same thread. In these cases - when moderators deal with it, they always leave a note written in red at the end of the post like "this post has been merged by mod xxx"..

Merging posts are okay, as it only "merging" multiple posts in a single post. But the one on the thread mentioned by hosseinimr93 is different, there's no note for merging posts, the mod just edited the post for some reason.

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Quote from: PX-Z on September 20, 2024, 05:58:59 AM

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on September 19, 2024, 06:03:27 PM

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I wonder if users get a notification that their posts were edited by a moderator just like a personal message notification when posts were deleted by a mod.

I have reported many posting violations so far from many different users - such as multiple posts in the same thread. In these cases - when moderators deal with it, they always leave a note written in red at the end of the post like "this post has been merged by mod xxx".

I don't think mods send notification to the offending user - unless their post is deleted. Just like if one of your thread is moved to another board - mods don't send notifications. Someone from the mod list may be able to clarify that information for you.

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