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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on September 20, 2024, 09:52:31 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 20, 2024, 04:50:49 AM

I'm still confused, though. What did frodocooper actually do to those members' posts? We're not talking about a mod writing stuff that a member didn't write in his post, correct?

frodocooper usually edited badly quoted posts and as far as know, he never edited the content of posts.

And sometimes, the size of images which was complained by notblox1 in the following thread.

OK, all of that would seem to fall within the duties of a moderator. Editing the actual words of someone's post would be bad, bad, bad--and damned if I can recall any mod doing that. If someone had, I think even Theymos might have a problem with that, not to mention the community.

So is there still something to bitch about here?

Quote from: nutildah on September 23, 2024, 09:28:44 PM

That's you in a nutshell.

About 10 people told you why the rule exists and you just powered through it all - with your eyes closed & fingers in your ears - for the sake of continuing to not get it. Its not a matter of personal interpretation here.

Ah, sometimes these heated Meta posts just make me giggle like times of old. I didn't spit my coffee out just now, but it's as close as I've gotten to it in a long-ass time.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 23, 2024, 02:55:37 PM

somebody too fucking stupid to understand why a rule exists

That's you in a nutshell.

About 10 people told you why the rule exists and you just powered through it all - with your eyes closed & fingers in your ears - for the sake of continuing to not get it. Its not a matter of personal interpretation here.

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Quote from: Natalim on September 23, 2024, 09:28:42 AM

Quote from: SamReomo on September 21, 2024, 02:06:52 AM

Sometimes a user posts consecutively and replying to each member in form of separate post then in those cases moderator give their time to merge those posts into one to avoid unnecessary extra posts. Some users, mostly newbies do such kind of consecutive posting.

Looks like the mods are being nice, merging the post when they could've just deleted it since it broke the forum rules.

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32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

I usually respond to different comments from different people by using a separate post, since that is common sense.

In this case the moderator is blindly following 'rules' without understanding the point of the rule, so he or she merges posts.

Obviously the rule about consecutive posts was not meant for different responses to different people on a thread.

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64554551

September 20, 2024, 11:06:22 PM
Last edit: September 21, 2024, 09:43:56 PM by Mr. Big

So the moderator "Mr Big" a) does not understand why there is a rule about consecutive posts, then he breaks the rule about moderating by leaving out the text saying "posts merged by moderator".

Point simply being that somebody too fucking stupid to understand why a rule exists should not be enforcing it.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 19, 2024, 03:21:51 PM

A big part of industrialized melting pots is training people to enjoy intrusiveness by assigning people to have 'authority' in a small area.

This post will probably be deleted by moderators, but I'm curious how many people welcome a moderator changing their posts under whatever pretext.

I've had many posts deleted. Once I reposted a deleted post and the moderator changed the text. Now with this username there have been no outright deletions, but a moderator combines any two posts into one then sends the message

"A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted."

Of course in a melting pot it is important to train young people to be intrusive, otherwise a coercive society could not survive. The coercion/rape impulse is the root of a melting pot.

Some sites like reddit, twitter, youtube etc are famous for becoming successful by overcontrolling members.

Is it good or bad?

If your post got deleted did you asked yourself whether the post is created at the right section with the right meaning to why it's posted over there? I believe there are still rules you are missing which you need to do more reading, I could remembered then many people easily creates topics than reading and there post were either being deleted or moved to the off-topic section and they finds it so annoying to why the deletions just as you did create this topic.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 03:51:33 PM

I've had many posts deleted. Once I reposted a deleted post and the moderator changed the text.

You have an activity slightly above 100, it will not be a tedious job to find that particular post of yours that a moderator outrightly changed the text or context. I challenge you to do so and earn merit for it.

Quote from: Natalim on September 23, 2024, 09:28:42 AM

Looks like the mods are being nice, merging the post when they could've just deleted it since it broke the forum rules.

Moderators are lenient on newbies most times because it is perceived they aren't conversant with the rules yet. It will be a bad moderation to delete an objective and on point post of a newbie instead of merging them.

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Quote from: Natalim on September 23, 2024, 09:28:42 AM

Looks like the mods are being nice, merging the post when they could've just deleted it since it broke the forum rules.

Technically they deleted your second, third etc posts, then edited your first post and add the content from your deleted posts. Except you post the same thing, the moderator will delete it without merge your post.

Quote from: Alpha Marine on September 23, 2024, 12:05:46 AM

A merge post IMO is worse than a deleted post because it means you made more than one post that can easily be one post.

I don't think so, a merged post mean your post quality still qualify the forum's standard, while deleted post mean your post is bad.

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Quote from: SamReomo on September 21, 2024, 02:06:52 AM

Sometimes a user posts consecutively and replying to each member in form of separate post then in those cases moderator give their time to merge those posts into one to avoid unnecessary extra posts. Some users, mostly newbies do such kind of consecutive posting.

Looks like the mods are being nice, merging the post when they could've just deleted it since it broke the forum rules.

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32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

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When you keep having your post deleted or merged, I suggest you look within, that's the only way to get better. Try to see if it's a "you" problem. Always blaming someone else for everything won't help you, it only shows that you think you're too big to make a mistake or learn.
I have had 4 posts deleted since I joined the forum. 2 of those posts deserved to be deleted by moderators, but I can make a case for the other two. There was no point in me making a fuss out of it because all I needed to do was see how I could make better posts in such a way that they wouldn't get deleted.

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 19, 2024, 03:21:51 PM

Some sites like reddit, twitter, youtube etc are famous for becoming successful by overcontrolling members.

I don't know about YouTube and Facebook, but Reddit is very well moderated and that's the reason it is one of the few social media sites with less garbage. You can still have your opinion and support whatever you want there, but your post shouldn't be a load of rubbish or spam because it will get deleted. That's also why there are not many scammers there as they are on Facebook and Instagram.

So, don't see the deleting to merging of your post as a prejudice against you, see it as an area you can improve on. A merge post IMO is worse than a deleted post because it means you made more than one post that can easily be one post.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 20, 2024, 04:50:49 AM

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on September 19, 2024, 05:03:27 PM

Click here to see an example of posts being edited by moderators.

What did frodocooper actually do to those members' posts?

This was shortly after I started scraping unedited posts, so it looks like he only removed 2 pointless "Enters". Searing has a weird writing style: I think he hits Enter (twice) when he reaches the side of his browser window (this looks especially weird when my browser window is smaller than his). No damage was done in editing this (but it wasn't needed either).

Quote from: _BlackStar on September 20, 2024, 05:59:28 AM

Source: https://ninjastic.space/post/52162302

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Here is a link to someone who got an Apple II Computer from 'ancient' times to mine Bitcoin! (or a futile attempt at shoveling all the sand in the world from 1 side to the other in difficulty)

Now this is interesting: how did those 2 Enters not show up in Ninjastic's archive? It doesn't show an edit history, and he got those old posts from me.

Quote from: PX-Z on September 20, 2024, 09:16:22 AM

Ninjastic.space archive starts late 2020, the post you mentioned posted earlier, year 2019. Any earlier posts before the bot creation will be saved as it is.

It could be he re-scraped them. @TryNinja?

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There's no point in creating a thread like this, we all know that moderators of this forum are doing their duty very well and i sometimes they delete a post then there's a valid reason behind it. The moderators often avoid deleting even spamming posts because they don't want to misuse their powers, however when it's needed to delete a post then they delete it.

Sometimes a user posts consecutively and replying to each member in form of separate post then in those cases moderator give their time to merge those posts into one to avoid unnecessary extra posts. Some users, mostly newbies do such kind of consecutive posting.

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Separate responses to different people should not be merged into one post unless the poster wants to do that.

I've been posting on bitcointalk for more than ten years under various usernames, and most interference by moderators is not about improving anything.

The “Horizontal Rule” button is there so you can add some separation between your responses that could be made within the same post. Creating separate, consecutive posts for each reply can be annoying and spammy. I made this mistake when I was new to Bitcointalk and forums in general, but if you’re not a newbie and have been around 10 years you should already know this is frowned upon.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 06:06:22 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Smith on September 20, 2024, 04:09:27 PM

How about learn vocabulary before entering to English board.

^cough^

Yes I agree, the above is absurd & just wrong. It should have been worded, "How about learn to vocabulary before entering English board."

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 06:06:22 PM

The posts that were combined were separate responses to different people.

They should not be merged into one post, but if I had wanted to merge them I would have.

You're going out of your way to not get it, and writing consecutive posts in this thread to prove how far you are willing to go to not get it. The reason the rule exists is to prevent accounts from continually bumping a thread or dominating its discussion. If you don't like it, "stiff," as Craig Wrong would say.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 06:06:22 PM

They should not be merged into one post, but if I had wanted to merge them I would have.

Or, if you had read the rules. You know, the ones pinned at the top of this board:

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

Forum rules

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

You can still reply to multiple people in a single post. There's even a link on the reply page to insert a quote from one of the previous responses:

It's very easy to follow the rules around here. Most are simply guidelines for those who don't know what common curtesy is.

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Quote from: Churchillvv on September 20, 2024, 04:24:34 PM

When you find yourself in a new place what's required of you is first find the rules and regulations guarding the place after that try as much as possible to adhere to the rules hence you wouldn't be complaining of your post getting deleted or merged.

Perhaps if you have some post most likely related it will for sure be merged if mods finds it convincing to merge.

Getting this message that your post has been deleted is just reminder that you should try to post constructively and act according to rules in each thread and anyone can be moderated regardless of the rank once you violate the rules you will get moderated.

Separate responses to different people should not be merged into one post unless the poster wants to do that.

I've been posting on bitcointalk for more than ten years under various usernames, and most interference by moderators is not about improving anything.

you should consider adhering to the pattern which the mods wants every post.

Don't you think? it doesn't make any sense having only you commenting on a post several times? looking at the above response which you can probably make in just a post you prefer making 10 post to 10 different people in one thread.

Personally if I was a mod I will do same because it's against the ethics of the forum.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Smith on September 20, 2024, 04:09:27 PM

How about learn vocabulary before entering to English board.

^cough^

The posts that were combined were separate responses to different people.

They should not be merged into one post, but if I had wanted to merge them I would have.

Quote from: Churchillvv on September 20, 2024, 04:24:34 PM

When you find yourself in a new place what's required of you is first find the rules and regulations guarding the place after that try as much as possible to adhere to the rules hence you wouldn't be complaining of your post getting deleted or merged.

Perhaps if you have some post most likely related it will for sure be merged if mods finds it convincing to merge.

Getting this message that your post has been deleted is just reminder that you should try to post constructively and act according to rules in each thread and anyone can be moderated regardless of the rank once you violate the rules you will get moderated.

Separate responses to different people should not be merged into one post unless the poster wants to do that.

I've been posting on bitcointalk for more than ten years under various usernames, and most interference by moderators is not about improving anything.

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When you find yourself in a new place what's required of you is first find the rules and regulations guarding the place after that try as much as possible to adhere to the rules hence you wouldn't be complaining of your post getting deleted or merged.

Perhaps if you have some post most likely related it will for sure be merged if mods finds it convincing to merge.

Getting this message that your post has been deleted is just reminder that you should try to post constructively and act according to rules in each thread and anyone can be moderated regardless of the rank once you violate the rules you will get moderated.

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Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 03:51:33 PM

I had one deleted post that I reposted and the moderator did change the actual text. If I see it I will post a link.

It's just one post right then how about show us what exactly was altered by moderator instead of whining about it.

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 03:51:33 PM

So somebody feels consecutive posts allows them to alter what somebody has posted by merging posts.

Moderator's can merge of two people posts into on, they will only do it when you posted two posts in a row I mean from the same user posting one after one.

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 20, 2024, 03:51:33 PM

Why not let moderators correct spelling and grammar? How about correcting flawed opinions?

How about learn vocabulary before entering to English board.

Mods don't delete a post for wrong grammar, or even if you posted wrong information it would be unlikely to be deleted cause bitcointalk still allows freedom of speech.

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Quote from: Coyster on September 19, 2024, 04:21:35 PM

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 19, 2024, 03:21:51 PM

I've had many posts deleted. Once I reposted a deleted post and the moderator changed the text. Now with this username there have been no outright deletions, but a moderator combines any two posts into one then sends the message

Moderators will not edit/change texts written by you, they are only going to merge your posts if you make consecutive posts, which is not allowed in the forum, stop making consecutive posts and moderators wouldn't have to merge your posts again. Then if they trash or delete your posts, then it is because it was off-topic and instead of complaining about moderators, it is better to look at your posts and improve them.

I had one deleted post that I reposted and the moderator did change the actual text. If I see it I will post a link.

So somebody feels consecutive posts allows them to alter what somebody has posted by merging posts.

Why not let moderators correct spelling and grammar? How about correcting flawed opinions?

You are either altering somebody's post or you are not.

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Quote from: nutildah on September 19, 2024, 09:33:05 PM

3 isn't many. Just don't post consecutively in the same thread within 24 hours. If you think of something new to say and your post is the last in a thread, simply edit the post to append your new thoughts to it (if its been less than 24 hours since posting).

It seems he is talking about post(s) deleted from his other account(s) after reading the bolded part.

Quote from: PrimeHunter2023 on September 19, 2024, 03:21:51 PM

I've had many posts deleted. Once I reposted a deleted post and the moderator changed the text. Now with this username there have been no outright deletions, but a moderator combines any two posts into one then sends the message

@OP, it just means you broke the rule of no consecutive posts and regarding the post deletion and not from this account doesn't mean these are not breaking the forum rules, it just means yet to be reported.

Anyway I recommend you not to post the deleted posts cause it can lead to ban for plagiarism if you're doing it from different account. If you think your post has been deleted without valid reason then bring attention to why there has been a mistake cause there are few incidents deleted posts were retrieved later once it's proven no violation found.

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The duty of moderators is to maintain the sanity and integrity of the forum, which includes moderating the contents of members. Moderators have every right to edit or delete posts that violate the forum rules. Instead of feeling attacked, maybe you should ask yourself why you are constantly being attacked. Go read the forum rules again and I'm sure you will find the answers you seek.

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