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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

I guessed correctly the fake tile, the model is not reliable, because first, we have to manage enough back space for the drawer and manually create the system so the other people won't know about it right the fewer people know the better. Secondly, the model is not efficient because the water can get inside as it's in the Bathroom and what if all the pipes around the drawer got leakage and you have to call a plumber and what if at the same time, the water got earthed and it short circuit the water and that water gets into the drawer, will the items in it be safe or not?

A proper and safe place must be preferred to store such valuable items. We can simply store our seed phrases in our home safe locks and just encrypt them with any encryption method so others won't understand a thing if somehow they get their hands on it.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on October 30, 2024, 03:58:03 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 29, 2024, 04:45:33 PM

Thanks for sharing Pmalek, these are clever ways of hiding our seed phrases. My eyes aren't good at finding those secret compartments but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom.

You won't take the remote and add a customer tag to it that says this is what it's for or even keep it close to the position where it controls.

Walking into modern houses these days, you will see a lot of remotes that you can't explain what they control unless you ask the owner of the place. Aside from that, an extra security measure can also be taken by hiding the remote far from what it controls.

I think most of the intruders are smart enough to identify things and if they've got some target areas when they do rob a house. Well, in case that if the owner of the house is too vulgar and talks a lot that their house has sort of compartment with some remote controls and stuff, that would give them an idea. But being far from the actual safe where it's placed won't be suspicious.

Quote from: Nwada001 on October 30, 2024, 03:58:03 PM

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And I think someone who's an expert in tile setting might be able to find something odd if there are grouts that haven't been cleaned properly if this is going to be done DIY by a non-expert.

It's all depends on the location and how perfect the work is being done. If an electrician can perfectly install a hidden box inside a working socket without it being noticed, a good tiler can do the work perfectly in a way that another tiler can't identify.

If the owner of house is an electrician or a tile setter, that's better. But having this and letting someone to work for it, I don't think that it's a good idea. They're attracting some inside job with that.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 29, 2024, 04:45:33 PM

Thanks for sharing Pmalek, these are clever ways of hiding our seed phrases. My eyes aren't good at finding those secret compartments but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom.

You won't take the remote and add a customer tag to it that says this is what it's for or even keep it close to the position where it controls.

Walking into modern houses these days, you will see a lot of remotes that you can't explain what they control unless you ask the owner of the place. Aside from that, an extra security measure can also be taken by hiding the remote far from what it controls.

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And I think someone who's an expert in tile setting might be able to find something odd if there are grouts that haven't been cleaned properly if this is going to be done DIY by a non-expert.

It's all depends on the location and how perfect the work is being done. If an electrician can perfectly install a hidden box inside a working socket without it being noticed, a good tiler can do the work perfectly in a way that another tiler can't identify.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 30, 2024, 03:55:29 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 29, 2024, 04:45:33 PM

...but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom.

No, not necessarily. Remote controls can be used for all kind of things. Your building could have an underground garage where the remote control opens the door to the garage. Many gates are remotely controlled, not to mention numerous home appliances and devices.

Hmmm, you're right. As long as it's not specifically placed wherever these compartments are placed or near to it then the intruder won't have an idea that it's a remote for it.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 29, 2024, 04:45:33 PM

...but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom.

No, not necessarily. Remote controls can be used for all kind of things. Your building could have an underground garage where the remote control opens the door to the garage. Many gates are remotely controlled, not to mention numerous home appliances and devices.

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Thanks for sharing Pmalek, these are clever ways of hiding our seed phrases. My eyes aren't good at finding those secret compartments but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom. And I think someone who's an expert in tile setting might be able to find something odd if there are grouts that haven't been cleaned properly if this is going to be done DIY by a non-expert.

Quote from: Pmalek on October 23, 2024, 06:03:51 AM

There are many ways in which you can do this. A user in our Croatian local forum recently shared a video of a guy who drilled a hole at the top of a door in his home. He put a tube inside of the hole in which you can hide certain items, including seed phrases, for example. You can check it out here. It's quite a neat trick and good hiding place if you do it right.

Now, another idea. Shocked

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

From the video, this Looks genius they way the skilled man concealed the whole stuff in the bathroom wall tiles, though I have seen several other videos and ways that people have also device to try to conceal their valuables so people don't easily get access to the information to what they're trying to hide.

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I was able to tell from the image which tile could be the fake tile without watching the video.
The edges of tile which had the white sealing was not like the other ones and a difference could be seen.
It's a good technique to store valuables. I have even seen this in movies too where people hide their valuables in the walls and bathroom.
May be someone just did it for real but to be honest, I am not sure how long it would be sustainable.

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It's a creative ideal on how we can secretly secure our seed phrase because it'd always be unimaginable by anyone that such action is ever possible to existence there in a bathroom using this strategy.
But meanwhile, according that there're several means of how we can always be creative in hiding our values or seed phrases, let's not forget to consider possible disasters that can feasibly occur within the regions where we spotted to hide our seed phrases.

Using this remotely wall strategy, I think there should be manual alternative by which we can extract our values from the wall in case the electronic device fails when we're hasty for safety especially during an approach of disaster.

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Quote from: Cricktor on October 24, 2024, 02:47:05 PM

Not bad but in my opinion a bit overengineered. Maybe if you own the house, know how some walls are built and where enough space and width is available. I would place the drawer less central and somewhere where you won't likely look at it even when it's well concealed or where the spot won't draw your attention simply by placement, more in edge areas and at unconveniently low heights, so it's a bit off view.

Yeah that's quite true this method of seed storage would be more viable if you own the house plus it should be I a place that hardly gets much attention or renovation like the sitting room or kitchen that we mostly mod using DIY stuff. Another thing to also be very cautious of is that literally only you knows about it and if you have kids in the house it's better to do this kind of tweak when they are away.

Not as if kids are actually a threat to you seed however let's not dispute the fact that kids can give out important information even as crucial as your seed if they happen to find it due to their inquisitiveness. The fewer the trusted people you have at home the more secrets it should be.

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Quote from: m2017 on October 26, 2024, 03:42:03 AM

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That's one way to mitigate reliance on power via house's electric power support.

Let's overengineer this further: I suggest to place a magnetic inductive charge port behind the tile, so you won't need to open the drawer to recharge the autonomous power source. A nice add-on would be shine-through status LEDs as charge gauge that light up when an inductive charge coil has docked with the tile. Make it compatible with the fenced fallen fruit cult mobile chargers as bonus.

To allow shine-through you might need to carefully drill holes from the backside of the ceramic tile to achieve thin-enough thickness of material.

I'd make shine-through brightness low enough so that it's not visible under normal lighting conditions but only when it's dark in the bathroom.

Oh, btw, are there local therapy groups like Anonymous Overengineers? Grin

I might consider to join...

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Quote from: Cricktor on October 26, 2024, 02:53:23 AM

Now that I looked at the video again, I saw a major flaw of the "design" of presented solution that AFAIR nobody here talked about yet. An electromagnet holds the drawer in retracted position while a simple spring pushes it forward a bit when the electromagnet is disengaged with the remote.

To stay retracted the contraption needs permanent power for the electromagnet. Now imagine a power loss situation or someone messing with the breaker box, intentionally or not. The hidden drawer becomes unintentionally exposed... duh, bummer!

Place an autonomous power supply in the form of a battery or a rechargeable battery in the box structure. This will not take up much space and will not increase the weight of the structure. You will only need to periodically and pre-change the battery (or charge it).

Also, an autonomous power supply eliminates the problem of power outages, which would reveal the location of the box and make it accessible.

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Now that I looked at the video again, I saw a major flaw of the "design" of presented solution that AFAIR nobody here talked about yet. An electromagnet holds the drawer in retracted position while a simple spring pushes it forward a bit when the electromagnet is disengaged with the remote.

To stay retracted the contraption needs permanent power for the electromagnet. Now imagine a power loss situation or someone messing with the breaker box, intentionally or not. The hidden drawer becomes unintentionally exposed... duh, bummer!

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

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I think this is very nice, it's way better than keeping your seed phrases around the house where it can be easily desired by pests or tampered easily if found out by an unrelated person.

However the success of this strategy being achievable depends on the investor and his ability to be confidential with his Bitcoin involvement. If he could keep his mouth shut and not let outsiders know of his holdings, I think he's not going to have much issues since no one would normally think of breaking a wall in search of what he has no information about.

Secondly, this has to be situated in a least accessible bathroom, maybe his personal bathroom for more security and I believe the intention of safeguarding the seed phrase has a high possibility of being achieved

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Not bad but in my opinion a bit overengineered. Maybe if you own the house, know how some walls are built and where enough space and width is available. I would place the drawer less central and somewhere where you won't likely look at it even when it's well concealed or where the spot won't draw your attention simply by placement, more in edge areas and at unconveniently low heights, so it's a bit off view.

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It seems this is one of the unique way to hide your seed well even me I do scatter all of my seed into an unexpected place in my house if I lost one I have backup, also no one seems to make a suspicious act to check the bathroom or else people really bored at the bathroom and makes a check of each tiles like try to knock it down and hit the hidden one because possible it will give a different sound.

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Quote from: satscraper on October 22, 2024, 08:02:01 AM

Regarding SEED, entirely. Instead of placing it behind any provocative tail (which can be attached with magnets, BTW) i would drill the small-diameter-hole somewhere in the wall of my house ^{(not in bathroom)}, shove inside this hole the small medical capsule ^{(commonly used to deliver medicine inside your body)} with the rolled-up piece of paper holding SEED phrase and seal this hole with appropriate stuff so that this place were not be recognizable at any angle.

There are many ways in which you can do this. A user in our Croatian local forum recently shared a video of a guy who drilled a hole at the top of a door in his home. He put a tube inside of the hole in which you can hide certain items, including seed phrases, for example. You can check it out here. It's quite a neat trick and good hiding place if you do it right.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

When I see in the video is a wall but my question here is that the wall of a building is never that thick. And usually the main pillars of the building are thick but they cannot be carved with such width because there is road inside. From what I saw in the video, it seems that the walls of the building are very thick, so a big box is going to be carved inside. I have seen a lot of people looking for a deep place to keep all kinds of important things safe where no one will find them.

When you see the thief entering your home, they always focus on hidden places and try to take different things from there. But if you tell me what you do, I'd say I always look for flexible and easy places to keep my important things. I choose places that are so easy to recapture, & places so difficult that no one would believe that such a thing could exist.

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A nice approach I must say.
It would be best in a Bathroom for personal use
Because if you let some one like me that's fond of knocking on toilet tiles to hear their different sounds
That could lead side ways but what are the odds.

Funny there are no best way to protect keys and still have access to it because anything could happen
Since nothing is ever perfect.

Imagine travelling out and a member of the family had to invite a repairman in case of repairs in the toilet to be specific the Tile
And they definitely ain't aware
Then voila.

Again, Proof that there are creative ways to safekeep valuables.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

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Regarding SEED, entirely. Instead of placing it behind any provocative tail (which can be attached with magnets, BTW) i would drill the small-diameter-hole somewhere in the wall of my house ^{(not in bathroom)}, shove inside this hole the small medical capsule ^{(commonly used to deliver medicine inside your body)} with the rolled-up piece of paper holding SEED phrase and seal this hole with appropriate stuff so that this place were not be recognizable at any angle.

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