...but for someone who takes the key everywhere they go, all they have to do is run for their lives, and their money follows.
You make it sound so easy. Just start running for your life and nothing bad will happen to you. In reality, people get robbed, shot, killed, and die from accidents every day. There is a famous video of a man walking his dog when a cat suddenly falls from a building on his head and leaves him unconscious. Instead of a cat, it could have been a flower pot, a bottle, or anything else that kills you on the spot. Often, it doesn't matter how fast you are or how much stamina or strength you posses. 
Topic: How to hide your seed in the wall - page 2. (Read 639 times)
I think there should be a debate about carrying your seedphrase with you everywhere you go or keeping them in a safe at home,
It's a terrible ideati carry your seedphrase with you everywhere you go. It exposes you to so much risk, increasing the chances of you losing it or it being stolen from you. You also have to constantly switch it from one bag or jeans to another making it so much more obvious to anyone around you.quote author=Outhue link=topic=5513715.msg64659058#msg64659058 date=1729588204]
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Just get a hardware wallet which you carry around and then have a secure backup somewhere. This exposes you to some risk, but is preferable to carrying your backups around.
I particularly like this idea cause it's something anyone can install themselves using a couple of work tools. I immediately write off any idea to secure financial assets that requires getting a third party to install cause that opens up more possibilities of getting involved in a $5 wrench attack.
There are many other secured ways to keep your stuffs private. I'll also be wary of using an electronically activated system, in this case if it goes wrong one can always break up the tiles
There are many other secured ways to keep your stuffs private. I'll also be wary of using an electronically activated system, in this case if it goes wrong one can always break up the tiles
Whereas, though this may look like a best approach to hiding your Bitcoin wallet seed phrase or other valuables from third party, it won't still be enough security measure if that seed phrase is not written on materials that are fire and water proof.
Natural disasters like floods of fires will make it almost impossible to recover your wallet even with the seedphrase written on materials that are resistant. Better option will be to have your back up in multiple locations.I think there should be a debate about carrying your seedphrase with you everywhere you go or keeping them in a safe at home, I think none is safe, it is a risk keeping your seed at home or carrying it with you, the only way to limit risk is knowing your country very well, we don't have natural disaster here so no need to prepare for any of that, but fire can break out, before you even remember that you keep your hardware wallet in a safe it can be too late already, but for someone who takes the key everywhere they go, all they have to do is run for their lives, and their money follows.
Anyways, I will just say it is better to be ready for anything, having your keys safe in more than one place is not completely safe either, it is a risk we all gotta take anyway, even been alive as a human is risky too.
I prefer to use a paper and pen or pencil instead and be stored somewhere unnoticed.
I wouldn't rely too much on graphite pencils for long-term storage. They aren't as reliable as pens with ink. The writing made with ink pens lasts longer than an ordinary pencil whose marks you can sometimes blur with your fingers.But instead of hiding such inside the bathroom, why doesn't someone have such a concept on a tiled dining room that is well organized and arranged rather than a bathroom that will be wet all the time, and have a lot of moisture which can damage/affect the remote gadget functionality and the written paper that contains the seed phrase words.
It's just an idea. The bathroom and kitchen are the usual rooms people have tiles in. Of course, nothing is stopping you from creating something like this anywhere else in your home and disguise it in different ways. 
Just don't forget the place where you hidden seed words and your other valuable things.
I remember many cases of people finding old worthless paper money hidden in secret places and discovered many years later.
This is not visible with naked eye but simple knock with a finger would find secret stash., and I wouldn't hide anything valuable in toilet
I remember many cases of people finding old worthless paper money hidden in secret places and discovered many years later.
This is not visible with naked eye but simple knock with a finger would find secret stash., and I wouldn't hide anything valuable in toilet
Wonderful concepts; it will be hard for anyone to decode that someone has his or her valuable like seed phrase hidden in the tiles of their bathroom. But instead of hiding such inside the bathroom, why doesn't someone have such a concept on a tiled dining room that is well organized and arranged rather than a bathroom that will be wet all the time, and have a lot of moisture which can damage/affect the remote gadget functionality and the written paper that contains the seed phrase words. However BitMaxz is well correct about it
That's the reason why, most people likes keeping their valuable things away from cold environs because that attracts moisture that can affect the durability of the things they have
I do not think it is a good idea to store a hardware wallet in a hidden secret drawer because bathrooms are always wet and produce more moisture, which I believe can damage the hardware if stored there for an extended period of time.
The same goes for a paper wallet, so I believe the best option for storing seed backups in a hidden drawer is a backup seed made of steel, such as a Crypyosteel Capsule or a Keystone tablet.
By right, technology devices, and papers are not meant to be kept in a cold environment to avoid losing them because water alone can affects the durability of gadgets and what is written on a paper to fade away over time.The same goes for a paper wallet, so I believe the best option for storing seed backups in a hidden drawer is a backup seed made of steel, such as a Crypyosteel Capsule or a Keystone tablet.
That's the reason why, most people likes keeping their valuable things away from cold environs because that attracts moisture that can affect the durability of the things they have
When you say legally, do you mean handing it over to a lawyer in the form of a will? I wouldn't sleep well at night if i did that, i would have nightmares of my lawyer going off-grid and enjoying my money in some off shore country.
I don't think bitcoin was designed to be kept with a lawyer, not your keys, not your coins. I'd find a way to pass my assets down without compromising its security with a third party.
Provided if the lawyer did not killed you before sleeping I don't think bitcoin was designed to be kept with a lawyer, not your keys, not your coins. I'd find a way to pass my assets down without compromising its security with a third party.
Yes, that is true. Bitcoin is not design to be in that way. It is created in a way you do not have to trust anyone. I see no reason you have anything to do with a lawyer unless it is multisig and involve more people.
If the seed phase is engraved on the wet wall with brick sand cement, then at some point due to humidity, the engraved part on the wet wall will be destroyed. Moreover, if the paper is written on the wall and stuck with glue, then the paper will be destroyed while taking a bath in the bathroom and the writing will not be clearly understood.
Good point. But you can get yourself a titanium or steel sheet for the seed phrase backup. I prefer to use a paper and pen or pencil instead and be stored somewhere unnoticed. 
The drawer in the video is quite large, perhaps even unnecessarily large. If you only wanted to hide a seed and/or a hardware wallet, you wouldn't need such depth.
that's my first concern especially when you're considering that it's installed in a bathroom. If failure accure and then for a long time you don't pay attention to it and it dragged some waters into the the drawer, it could get your phrase all soaked and wash off the content.Placing your seed phrase and other valuable in the same location is not also the best approach for me, I would rather make use of this same method on a tiny spot and then put the phrase in another container before placing it in the drawer for further protection. This is a nice concept and as far as securing your phrase by yourself at home is concerned, this might just be the best hack to consider.
If the seed phase is engraved on the wet wall with brick sand cement, then at some point due to humidity, the engraved part on the wet wall will be destroyed. Moreover, if the paper is written on the wall and stuck with glue, then the paper will be destroyed while taking a bath in the bathroom and the writing will not be clearly understood.
That will only happen if you are not using something much stronger like metals for example where you will engrave your seed phrase and store it in the hidden drawer even if it's in a bathroom. If it's paper then storing it with just glue or something like that then it won't last very long but if the paper is laminated by plastic then it will last for a long time. The paper where you write your seed phase is just stored as it is then I don't think it will last due to the humidity in the bathroom. 
A wet bathroom is a bad place to store paper or electronics. A remote control means your storage needs power. A good storage doesn't add risks.
If the seed phase is engraved on the wet wall with brick sand cement, then at some point due to humidity, the engraved part on the wet wall will be destroyed. Moreover, if the paper is written on the wall and stuck with glue, then the paper will be destroyed while taking a bath in the bathroom and the writing will not be clearly understood. 
I have noticed that most people find it very had to keep their seeds phrase safe, and I still prefer keeping it safe legally to make it claimable when the person is no more.
When you say legally, do you mean handing it over to a lawyer in the form of a will? I wouldn't sleep well at night if i did that, i would have nightmares of my lawyer going off-grid and enjoying my money in some off shore country.I don't think bitcoin was designed to be kept with a lawyer, not your keys, not your coins. I'd find a way to pass my assets down without compromising its security with a third party.
A wet bathroom is a bad place to store paper or electronics. A remote control means your storage needs power. A good storage doesn't add risks.
The place does not look bad because if it is well protected then I don't think water should be a problem because their are some part that water can not get to so it's not really a big deal but I think I have a problem with that but what if their was a disaster or even when you want someone to find out about your the funds how will they know exactly were it is located I hope it does not waste away.
It's not a bad idea but if anyone is following the same step then they should tell someone about it, any family trusted member or even a wife but we all know how crazy a woman can be that they might even disappear with your funds theirs nothing we have not seen when it comes to women, anything that has an advantage also has an disadvantage.
I have noticed that most people find it very had to keep their seeds phrase safe, and I still prefer keeping it safe legally to make it claimable when the person is no more.
I managed to detect where the hiding place is, because it can be seen that every time the box is pulled out, it "destroys" the joint and if everything is not done perfectly again (new joint and perfect washing of the wall after that), whoever knew that there is something like that in the house, it would certainly attract attention.
I would try to improve the design in such a way that the box has some kind of plastic/rubber joint that sits perfectly in place after each insertion - and in addition, to reduce the sound of the cavity if someone hits the tiles, put at least 10 cm of concrete filling (removable of course) before the box itself. This could be a problem with the automatic opening of the box, but it could be a good protection against accidental discovery and possible moisture penetration into the storage.
I would try to improve the design in such a way that the box has some kind of plastic/rubber joint that sits perfectly in place after each insertion - and in addition, to reduce the sound of the cavity if someone hits the tiles, put at least 10 cm of concrete filling (removable of course) before the box itself. This could be a problem with the automatic opening of the box, but it could be a good protection against accidental discovery and possible moisture penetration into the storage.
A wet bathroom is a bad place to store paper or electronics. A remote control means your storage needs power. A good storage doesn't add risks.
This method has been shared on social media so it's not a secret anymore. Anybody that has seen the video or have heard about it and has the intention to steal your seed phrase will know that it can be hidden behind a tiled wall.
Robbers are usually quick going in and out and looking to grab what they can as fast as possible. They are not going to go knocking on tiles looking for hidden drawers or knocking down walls in search for valuables. You can find lots of videos online showing various hiding places. Thieves would need a checklist if they were to inspect everything. I don't think it's a good idea because there's no security involved in carving or hiding the seed phase of a bitcoin wallet in a wall. Walls can be destroyed at any time due to cyclone, earthquake or natural disaster. Once destroyed, that security phase will never be recoverable.
The same is true if you hide your seed phrase in any other way, shape or form. If an earthquake woke you up in the middle of the night, you would try to run out of there as quickly as possible, taking your family with you in their pajamas. You wouldn't be looking for your seed, your favorite jersey, or that expensive perfume you got for your birthday. 
Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?
I can't spot it, but it might be just a resolution issue. Besides, how can this work on other kinds of walls? This little gadget cannot be practically constructed to suit every wall design there is. It's a cool idea, but pretty niche and impractical.
I do not think it is a good idea to store a hardware wallet in a hidden secret drawer because bathrooms are always wet and produce more moisture, which I believe can damage the hardware if stored there for an extended period of time.
You would probably only store the seed phrase there, preferably in protected paper, so that it lasts, undetectable. I don't think it's a good idea because there's no security involved in carving or hiding the seed phase of a bitcoin wallet in a wall. Walls can be destroyed at any time due to cyclone, earthquake or natural disaster. Once destroyed, that security phase will never be recoverable.
You must understand that where you keep your seed phrase wouldn't matter if you are a victim of an earthquake or a serious natural disaster, staying alive would be the only thing that matters at that point in time. This pattern of storage is a good protection from intruders and people in your home, it is not meant to protect you from a natural disaster, for such protection, keep your backup in separate locations that are far from one another.
I particularly like this idea cause it's something anyone can install themselves using a couple of work tools. I immediately write off any idea to secure financial assets that requires getting a third party to install cause that opens up more possibilities of getting involved in a $5 wrench attack.
There are many other secured ways to keep your stuffs private. I'll also be wary of using an electronically activated system, in this case if it goes wrong one can always break up the tiles
There are many other secured ways to keep your stuffs private. I'll also be wary of using an electronically activated system, in this case if it goes wrong one can always break up the tiles
Whereas, though this may look like a best approach to hiding your Bitcoin wallet seed phrase or other valuables from third party, it won't still be enough security measure if that seed phrase is not written on materials that are fire and water proof.
Natural disasters like floods of fires will make it almost impossible to recover your wallet even with the seedphrase written on materials that are resistant. Better option will be to have your back up in multiple locations. 
Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?
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I haven't watched the video, but judging from the rough edge of the spot which I highlighted with a red marker, I think that's where the inbuilt box might be located, but I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but I will be heading over to go check the video after now to confirm if I was right or wrong. Video Link
Whereas, though this may look like a best approach to hiding your Bitcoin wallet seed phrase or other valuables from third party, it won't still be enough security measure if that seed phrase is not written on materials that are fire and water proof. Moreover, it is a nice initiative.
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The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.
Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?
Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?
Tried severally but couldn't find it and this might just be one of the best ways of hiding things and not just Bitcoin that I have seen. I also know about making the same type of hiding spot but not in the bathroom but on the flood of your room or walls and you'll get the same results. There are some cons to this though because in a scenario when your house collapse or there's a fire outbreak, there wouldn't be enough time for you to try and rescue your hardware wallet and you lose everything to the disaster. Probably having a backup seed phrase elsewhere will be a perfect backup for this hiding method but again where are you going to keep the backups that'll make it a completely safed plan then.
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