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legendary
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the first thing is to not reuse addresses. rather, generate a new address every time

Well with a lot (if not all) wallets that you use, the wallet generates a new address each time you receive bitcoins to the previous address... so that's already implemented.

I'm not aware of any that do that. Can you name some? Xapo, Circle, Coinbase, Blockchain.info, MultiBit, Bitcoin QT, Electrum, (I know I'm missing a lot here) definitely don't.
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the first thing is to not reuse addresses. rather, generate a new address every time

Well with a lot (if not all) wallets that you use, the wallet generates a new address each time you receive bitcoins to the previous address... so that's already implemented.
sr. member
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the first thing is to not reuse addresses. rather, generate a new address every time
legendary
Activity: 1988
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I heard many mixer services will make our transactions untraceable by using different bitcoin addresses. very much useful services.
Mixers are centralized third parties. This is not a trustless solution
You can use different mixers and gambling sites to lower the probability of it getting linked together. You could potentially send it to a trustable mixer which delete logs but still it may be possible that they are keeping them.You can also exchange the Bitcoin to Monero using exchange A and send the monero to exchange B to withdraw. Many exchanges do not require verification.

Sounds like a lot of work and on mixer your trusting someone else you have no idea who it is. I still think mining sounds like easiest way.

Mine through a proxy or vpn you know does not keep log and mine directly to bitcoin address you want.  It's a new coin so no real history but from pool sending it.
Again, those providers may just be making a false promise and not actually deleting the logs or worst, giving them to the government. Unless you have any miners that is efficient, it probably won't work and the risk is huge. Renting rigs wouldn't help either, they typically sell their hashpower at more than what you can earn.

I am kinda a pessimist on some things.  I look at it as chances are a mixer has some records.  They need to know what comes in and what goes out ... or how do they know they are making a profit? 

They have wallets somehow connnected to the site.  Can you imagine having a decent hot wallet running a mixer and not logging IP's or other info?  I mean what if they are hacked they need info on where coins are sent... and more info.  I think they as a business have some logs in most cases.   

I don't think they'd log IPs, and just hope nothing happens. About the profit situation, I'd assume they log the number of coins in/out, as that's easy to do just with simple incrementing numbers.
legendary
Activity: 1456
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I heard many mixer services will make our transactions untraceable by using different bitcoin addresses. very much useful services.
Mixers are centralized third parties. This is not a trustless solution
You can use different mixers and gambling sites to lower the probability of it getting linked together. You could potentially send it to a trustable mixer which delete logs but still it may be possible that they are keeping them.You can also exchange the Bitcoin to Monero using exchange A and send the monero to exchange B to withdraw. Many exchanges do not require verification.

Sounds like a lot of work and on mixer your trusting someone else you have no idea who it is. I still think mining sounds like easiest way.

Mine through a proxy or vpn you know does not keep log and mine directly to bitcoin address you want.  It's a new coin so no real history but from pool sending it.
Again, those providers may just be making a false promise and not actually deleting the logs or worst, giving them to the government. Unless you have any miners that is efficient, it probably won't work and the risk is huge. Renting rigs wouldn't help either, they typically sell their hashpower at more than what you can earn.

I am kinda a pessimist on some things.  I look at it as chances are a mixer has some records.  They need to know what comes in and what goes out ... or how do they know they are making a profit?  

They have wallets somehow connnected to the site.  Can you imagine having a decent hot wallet running a mixer and not logging IP's or other info?  I mean what if they are hacked they need info on where coins are sent... and more info.  I think they as a business have some logs in most cases.  
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1007
I heard many mixer services will make our transactions untraceable by using different bitcoin addresses. very much useful services.
Mixers are centralized third parties. This is not a trustless solution
You can use different mixers and gambling sites to lower the probability of it getting linked together. You could potentially send it to a trustable mixer which delete logs but still it may be possible that they are keeping them.You can also exchange the Bitcoin to Monero using exchange A and send the monero to exchange B to withdraw. Many exchanges do not require verification.

Sounds like a lot of work and on mixer your trusting someone else you have no idea who it is. I still think mining sounds like easiest way.

Mine through a proxy or vpn you know does not keep log and mine directly to bitcoin address you want.  It's a new coin so no real history but from pool sending it.
Again, those providers may just be making a false promise and not actually deleting the logs or worst, giving them to the government. Unless you have any miners that is efficient, it probably won't work and the risk is huge. Renting rigs wouldn't help either, they typically sell their hashpower at more than what you can earn.

I think the idea behind renting the rigs is that you keep separated from the coins. And while you lose money, you lose money doing mixers or other things, too.
legendary
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I heard many mixer services will make our transactions untraceable by using different bitcoin addresses. very much useful services.
Mixers are centralized third parties. This is not a trustless solution
You can use different mixers and gambling sites to lower the probability of it getting linked together. You could potentially send it to a trustable mixer which delete logs but still it may be possible that they are keeping them.You can also exchange the Bitcoin to Monero using exchange A and send the monero to exchange B to withdraw. Many exchanges do not require verification.

Sounds like a lot of work and on mixer your trusting someone else you have no idea who it is. I still think mining sounds like easiest way.

Mine through a proxy or vpn you know does not keep log and mine directly to bitcoin address you want.  It's a new coin so no real history but from pool sending it.
Again, those providers may just be making a false promise and not actually deleting the logs or worst, giving them to the government. Unless you have any miners that is efficient, it probably won't work and the risk is huge. Renting rigs wouldn't help either, they typically sell their hashpower at more than what you can earn.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
I heard many mixer services will make our transactions untraceable by using different bitcoin addresses. very much useful services.
Mixers are centralized third parties. This is not a trustless solution
You can use different mixers and gambling sites to lower the probability of it getting linked together. You could potentially send it to a trustable mixer which delete logs but still it may be possible that they are keeping them.You can also exchange the Bitcoin to Monero using exchange A and send the monero to exchange B to withdraw. Many exchanges do not require verification.

Sounds like a lot of work and on mixer your trusting someone else you have no idea who it is. I still think mining sounds like easiest way.

Mine through a proxy or vpn you know does not keep log and mine directly to bitcoin address you want.  It's a new coin so no real history but from pool sending it.
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 4418
Crypto Swap Exchange
I heard many mixer services will make our transactions untraceable by using different bitcoin addresses. very much useful services.
Mixers are centralized third parties. This is not a trustless solution
You can use different mixers and gambling sites to lower the probability of it getting linked together. You could potentially send it to a trustable mixer which delete logs but still it may be possible that they are keeping them.You can also exchange the Bitcoin to Monero using exchange A and send the monero to exchange B to withdraw. Many exchanges do not require verification.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
Dude it is impossible to make the transactions intraceable....  Undecided

it's very possible you can read all post above
you can choose 1 way of all tips to make untraceable transaction

It might be described at hard to trace.  I mean I think a lot that think they are untraceable if a government threw enough money and time twords finding them they could.   I mean if someone is watching it's pretty easy to follow the chain once it starts being sent.

There are a few way's like my favorite of anonymous mining that might make you untraceable on storage.  When you go to use it you lose some of that being untraceable.

And again I hope people are doing this as they don't want others online to see their holdings, or other legal reasons.  

The big issue with that is that like you said, as soon as you use it, you become traceable. Use eventually leads to personal identity -- whether you're using it for web hosting, to buy something, pay bills, etc. you create a trail at some point. Bitcoin was never made to be anonymous; it was made to be decentralized.

I would agree once it's been used bitcoin is amazing with blockchain.  It creates a trail.  So you could have multiple BTC address's and keep some more anonymous.  Blockchain technology is part of what makes bitcoin so great.

So as long as you don't use it yes you could store BTC and remain unknown.  Some would argue maybe a digital good you might be able to do and remain anonymous... and it could be true in some situations I guess.

I just think it's a bit much to do for most if you are eventually going to use the BTC anyways.
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You can use mixers.
hero member
Activity: 924
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I heard many mixer services will make our transactions untraceable by using different bitcoin addresses. very much useful services.
Mixers are centralized third parties. This is not a trustless solution
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1007
Dude it is impossible to make the transactions intraceable....  Undecided

it's very possible you can read all post above
you can choose 1 way of all tips to make untraceable transaction

It might be described at hard to trace.  I mean I think a lot that think they are untraceable if a government threw enough money and time twords finding them they could.   I mean if someone is watching it's pretty easy to follow the chain once it starts being sent.

There are a few way's like my favorite of anonymous mining that might make you untraceable on storage.  When you go to use it you lose some of that being untraceable.

And again I hope people are doing this as they don't want others online to see their holdings, or other legal reasons. 

The big issue with that is that like you said, as soon as you use it, you become traceable. Use eventually leads to personal identity -- whether you're using it for web hosting, to buy something, pay bills, etc. you create a trail at some point. Bitcoin was never made to be anonymous; it was made to be decentralized.

Not always true, What about using fake ID, Most places you can get away with using fake scan's.

Bitcoin can be as anonymous as you want if you know how to make yourself anonymous..

Not only that. Know how to leave "fake" footprints.. Everyone knows about IP's and VPN's but how many people know to spoof there browser user agent Disable IPV6 to stop DNS leaks, Remove WEBRTC from there browser. Spoof there network card or wireless card MAC address. Any fool can download tor and "think" that's them covered. This is not the case.

There are many ways to make BTC anonymous when you use them, Its the effort you are willing to put in that will determinate how "anonymous" your coins end up..



Even using all of that, you're not anonymous. How do you think people get nailed even when they follow all security protocols? How do you think people with fake IDs get nabbed? You always leak information. Always.
newbie
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Dude it is impossible to make the transactions intraceable....  Undecided

it's very possible you can read all post above
you can choose 1 way of all tips to make untraceable transaction

It might be described at hard to trace.  I mean I think a lot that think they are untraceable if a government threw enough money and time twords finding them they could.   I mean if someone is watching it's pretty easy to follow the chain once it starts being sent.

There are a few way's like my favorite of anonymous mining that might make you untraceable on storage.  When you go to use it you lose some of that being untraceable.

And again I hope people are doing this as they don't want others online to see their holdings, or other legal reasons. 

The big issue with that is that like you said, as soon as you use it, you become traceable. Use eventually leads to personal identity -- whether you're using it for web hosting, to buy something, pay bills, etc. you create a trail at some point. Bitcoin was never made to be anonymous; it was made to be decentralized.

Not always true, What about using fake ID, Most places you can get away with using fake scan's.

Bitcoin can be as anonymous as you want if you know how to make yourself anonymous..

Not only that. Know how to leave "fake" footprints.. Everyone knows about IP's and VPN's but how many people know to spoof there browser user agent Disable IPV6 to stop DNS leaks, Remove WEBRTC from there browser. Spoof there network card or wireless card MAC address. Any fool can download tor and "think" that's them covered. This is not the case.

There are many ways to make BTC anonymous when you use them, Its the effort you are willing to put in that will determinate how "anonymous" your coins end up..

legendary
Activity: 1988
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Dude it is impossible to make the transactions intraceable....  Undecided

it's very possible you can read all post above
you can choose 1 way of all tips to make untraceable transaction

It might be described at hard to trace.  I mean I think a lot that think they are untraceable if a government threw enough money and time twords finding them they could.   I mean if someone is watching it's pretty easy to follow the chain once it starts being sent.

There are a few way's like my favorite of anonymous mining that might make you untraceable on storage.  When you go to use it you lose some of that being untraceable.

And again I hope people are doing this as they don't want others online to see their holdings, or other legal reasons. 

The big issue with that is that like you said, as soon as you use it, you become traceable. Use eventually leads to personal identity -- whether you're using it for web hosting, to buy something, pay bills, etc. you create a trail at some point. Bitcoin was never made to be anonymous; it was made to be decentralized.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
Dude it is impossible to make the transactions intraceable....  Undecided

it's very possible you can read all post above
you can choose 1 way of all tips to make untraceable transaction

It might be described at hard to trace.  I mean I think a lot that think they are untraceable if a government threw enough money and time twords finding them they could.   I mean if someone is watching it's pretty easy to follow the chain once it starts being sent.

There are a few way's like my favorite of anonymous mining that might make you untraceable on storage.  When you go to use it you lose some of that being untraceable.

And again I hope people are doing this as they don't want others online to see their holdings, or other legal reasons. 
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1007
mixers are a good and fast way to become untraceable but the way that i found out to be working better than mixers is to exchange the coins to another altcoin.

for example you can do this on shapeshift, and buy an altcoin, then move those to an exchanger and buy bitcoin with it and move it to your final wallet.
in this way you only lose some money on trade fees and transaction fees but it would be more effective.

but for the rest of us the mixers is more than enough Cheesy

Mixers. Do. Not. Work.

Well, obviously by my signature I'm biased... but cryptonotes are the only way to go if you want to become "untraceable" in your transactions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those altcoins, or at least function like them? Because if so, that isn't a solution -- that's like saying "you can send Bitcoin anonymously. Just convert Bitcoin to cash and pay the person in cash!"

No, Monero is truly a whole different beast... Cryptonote technology is the new upcoming technology for sure IMO, but that's just me.  If you'd like to read more, look at my links and look up the whitepaper for XMR...

But essentially Dash or dark and other scam coins that pose they are "the true anonymous coin" are mistaken... the Devs that are currently working "under the hood" for the new GUI that's about to come out are well known in the crypto world and are proposing that everything will be set up and running by spring or summer of next year.  Basically what monero does is have a private key, a view key, and now with the new addition to xmr, a "ring CT" which will make up an "amount key".

So, XMR not only hides where the coins are coming from, but now hides how much coins are being transacted to one another.
https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNero/blob/master/RingCT0.1_copy.pdf

If you'd like to get technical, you can read that... but the terminology in that paper is way over my head.  I just know the ELI5 version of everything going on right now.

I think we have different opinions about what an altcoin constitutes. Essentially, I guess a better way to rephrase my question is "aren't you using your Bitcoin to buy something else, then transacting that instead of Bitcoin?" Like using Monero or another system, if I have 1 BTC now and I want to send it to you, I can't just send you the full 1 BTC, right?
sr. member
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Dude it is impossible to make the transactions intraceable....  Undecided

it's very possible you can read all post above
you can choose 1 way of all tips to make untraceable transaction
sr. member
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Dude it is impossible to make the transactions intraceable....  Undecided
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*made smaller quote was getting huge.

Well the question becomes, why are you mixing your coins if you don't want to remain somewhat private in how you are handling your Bitcoins?  Did you just commit a crime?  The answer I hope would be, of course not, but then again none of this should matter to anyone.

Monero proposes an idea of issuing a currency that can be completely anonymous if the person wants to be, and also be completely transparent if need be as well.  You can provide view and amount keys to auditors if you run a business accepting monero, that's the beauty of what they are trying to do.  Bitcoin was meant to be digital "cash", and it has failed to be that... you can easily trace any transactions to anyone, when it should be none of that person's business.

Don't get me wrong... I completely understand what you're saying about holding bitcoin for potential increase in value.  But I hold a little XMR on the side as well, because I believe in what it is trying to accomplish.

Edit: you should probably see "why privacy matters" too... it doesn't mean that you only have to be private if you are committing a crime, so to speak. Your business should be your business... end of story.

You found my fear of reason of people using mixers or other way's to seem more untraceable.  Are they just worried about holdings, and don't want amount they have to be known?  Or are they doing something they should not be?   Illegal I believe takes away from bitcoin value and makes bitcoin look bad.  But this is really for another thread as this is not why are people doing it but how.

Holding a lot of alt currency  you can lose value or miss BTC going up in value.   I don't consider an alt coin a true option.  I think you need to stay in BTC after all the thread is "Bitcoin transactions untraceable?" not how can I use alt coins.

I suggested mining where you do not count on others.  It loses a lot of relying on other people problems.

I know, and I agree this is another topic that should be discussed on another thread... I was just simply replying to tyz's comment on "Dark" coins in general and my way of thinking and reasoning for using monero.  But yes, to everyone monitoring this thread, if you want your bitcoins to be untraceable, then the only way is to mix them.  You can use your tactic as well by going in exchange sites to temporarily buy altcoins and then repurchase bitcoins with them for the exchange rates... but to me, this just seems unreasonably hard to keep what you own "private".  

Again, sorry for the derailment... just my opinion on having a currency be "untraceable" and why it's important.
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