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newbie
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November 17, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
Other than smart contracts - what has ETH brought to the table that provides value? Actual value that brings companies to the table to invest??
what is actual value if fiat currency that all we like?

The GDP of the country from which the fiat currency originates from?Huh

LOL

How dumb is that question - a fiat currency is based on the local population that goes out and works, provides a service or product, puts the product or service into the market and attempts to make a profit. Also albeit a small percentage is from outside countries holding that fiat currency in reserve - AKA the US dollar is held in multiple countries as a reserve currency to provide security in case the local fiat currency loses value.

If tomorrow the CC bubble bursts - there would be only 3-5 coins that would be able to liquidate their property to cover the losses incurred by investors.

What does BTC have to offer that would cover it's investors? Does it own buildings? Does it own technology that is patented that it could sell off? Does it own land?

BTC / ETH / LTC / BCH / BTG have nothing that they can liquidate to cover losses. It is pure SPECULATION at this point.

Maybe tomorrow BTC buys up land and builds malls and introduces a payment gateway - that would build confidence and provide something tangible. But nope - BTC just wants to be the next gold standard.

And you guys think BTC is different than BTC or BCH or that ETH is somehow different than BTC


LOLOLOLOLOL


I love it tho - your guys's speculations provide volatility in the market which creates so many opportunities to make money.
Ever since western countries abandoned the Gold Standard after second world war, fiat currencies exchanges rates have been floating. There was an attempt to use the USD as a new standard under the promise of the federal reserve of not changing the exchange rate between USD and Gold, but this was abandoned in October 1976, when the US government officially changed the definition of the dollar and references to gold were removed from statutes.

In practice, fiat currencies exchange rates are governed by offer and demand, exactly like cryptocurrencies. The only difference is that central banks try (not always very well) to buffer the swings by buying and selling currencies using their own reserves. Central banks also try (not very well) to control monetary volumes by setting interbank interest rates.

How fiat monetary volumes increase? Through bank loans and mortgages (when you get a mortgage you practically create money out of thin air, backed by the asset that you are trying to buy)
How cryptocurrencies monetary volume increase? By mining.

The day we go through another serious economic crisis, people might lose once for all, trust in fiat money and the weight of cryptocurrencies will increase.


Yes, yes, I completely understand where you're coming from and agree - to an extent.

But this is the reality of BTC - it is driven, purely and solely on speculation of price points. When price confidence is high - BTC goes up. When confidence wanes, it goes down. This is not how fiat currencies work.

This can be seen by the monthly corrections. However, let's say that BTC hits $100k per coin - the only way to buy into BTC is through fiat currency. If all of a sudden confidence is shaken from a number of things - the $100k starts sliding. Each slide that occurs - you lose the fiat currency value that was put into BTC. Effectively taking away from the wealth of everyone involved and directly impacting local and national economies.

Miners will not always be there - BTC will have to evolve to cater to needs. The fees for one thing are a HUGE obstacle for BTC. The coding will be another obstacle.

As soon as quantum computing becomes widely used - 51% network attacks will be a real thing - they will be able to manipulate BTC transactions. Transactions times will increase. There will be more hard forks in the future and people will simply get frustrated. These things will impact confidence.

BTC was great from 2012 to today and possibly the next 2-3 years but who knows after that - the cloud of doubt is made strictly because BTC is a product of speculation.


Speaking of speculation - look at BTG and BCC this morning - both of them dropped last night 25-30% and are now up to break even. Their going to fall a little bit more during the next few days - people's confidence will go away and so will the volume and then the whales will come back in, throw it back up and bam - all of a sudden confidence is back.

member
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November 17, 2017, 04:00:12 AM
i was thinking of trying to mine this coin but after reading this thread... no way  Grin


same here, too many great alt coins that I have more confidence in. I will pass on bitcoin gold...for now

If we consider the typical evolution of a new Cryptocurrency, you always have a sharp increase after launch and then a sudden decrease, until the moment it reaches a threshold and then it starts growing again. I suspect we will have to wait until the price reaches approximately 120 USD, before it starts recovering.
member
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November 17, 2017, 03:50:43 AM
Other than smart contracts - what has ETH brought to the table that provides value? Actual value that brings companies to the table to invest??
what is actual value if fiat currency that all we like?

The GDP of the country from which the fiat currency originates from?Huh

LOL

How dumb is that question - a fiat currency is based on the local population that goes out and works, provides a service or product, puts the product or service into the market and attempts to make a profit. Also albeit a small percentage is from outside countries holding that fiat currency in reserve - AKA the US dollar is held in multiple countries as a reserve currency to provide security in case the local fiat currency loses value.

If tomorrow the CC bubble bursts - there would be only 3-5 coins that would be able to liquidate their property to cover the losses incurred by investors.

What does BTC have to offer that would cover it's investors? Does it own buildings? Does it own technology that is patented that it could sell off? Does it own land?

BTC / ETH / LTC / BCH / BTG have nothing that they can liquidate to cover losses. It is pure SPECULATION at this point.

Maybe tomorrow BTC buys up land and builds malls and introduces a payment gateway - that would build confidence and provide something tangible. But nope - BTC just wants to be the next gold standard.

And you guys think BTC is different than BTC or BCH or that ETH is somehow different than BTC


LOLOLOLOLOL


I love it tho - your guys's speculations provide volatility in the market which creates so many opportunities to make money.
Ever since western countries abandoned the Gold Standard after second world war, fiat currencies exchanges rates have been floating. There was an attempt to use the USD as a new standard under the promise of the federal reserve of not changing the exchange rate between USD and Gold, but this was abandoned in October 1976, when the US government officially changed the definition of the dollar and references to gold were removed from statutes.

In practice, fiat currencies exchange rates are governed by offer and demand, exactly like cryptocurrencies. The only difference is that central banks try (not always very well) to buffer the swings by buying and selling currencies using their own reserves. Central banks also try (not very well) to control monetary volumes by setting interbank interest rates.

How fiat monetary volumes increase? Through bank loans and mortgages (when you get a mortgage you practically create money out of thin air, backed by the asset that you are trying to buy)
How cryptocurrencies monetary volume increase? By mining.

The day we go through another serious economic crisis, people might lose once for all, trust in fiat money and the weight of cryptocurrencies will increase.
full member
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November 16, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
Hmm... Have you ever heard about trust? It is what gives currency its value. People's trust.
newbie
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November 16, 2017, 03:04:09 PM
Other than smart contracts - what has ETH brought to the table that provides value? Actual value that brings companies to the table to invest??
what is actual value if fiat currency that all we like?

The GDP of the country from which the fiat currency originates from?Huh

LOL

How dumb is that question - a fiat currency is based on the local population that goes out and works, provides a service or product, puts the product or service into the market and attempts to make a profit. Also albeit a small percentage is from outside countries holding that fiat currency in reserve - AKA the US dollar is held in multiple countries as a reserve currency to provide security in case the local fiat currency loses value.

If tomorrow the CC bubble bursts - there would be only 3-5 coins that would be able to liquidate their property to cover the losses incurred by investors.

What does BTC have to offer that would cover it's investors? Does it own buildings? Does it own technology that is patented that it could sell off? Does it own land?

BTC / ETH / LTC / BCH / BTG have nothing that they can liquidate to cover losses. It is pure SPECULATION at this point.

Maybe tomorrow BTC buys up land and builds malls and introduces a payment gateway - that would build confidence and provide something tangible. But nope - BTC just wants to be the next gold standard.

And you guys think BTC is different than BTC or BCH or that ETH is somehow different than BTC


LOLOLOLOLOL


I love it tho - your guys's speculations provide volatility in the market which creates so many opportunities to make money.
full member
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Merit: 100
November 16, 2017, 02:20:47 PM
Other than smart contracts - what has ETH brought to the table that provides value? Actual value that brings companies to the table to invest??
what is actual value if fiat currency that all we like?
newbie
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Merit: 0
November 16, 2017, 11:16:02 AM
BTC / LTC / ETH / BCH / BTG / ETC and 99% of the other coins - are in reality, all the same.

ETH = BTC? Really?!  Grin

Other than smart contracts - what has ETH brought to the table that provides value? Actual value that brings companies to the table to invest??

There is nothing of tangible value to any of the coins I listed above. The whole purpose of blockchain/tangle is to verify and send data in an efficient and timely manner.

The only one that is kinda accomplishing this is LTC because it goes through within 20 minutes. ETH takes forever and so does BTC so they absolutely fail in their design and are over valued.


BTG may be a crap coin - but it has one advantage over BTC and that's the fee cost. Same with BCH.
newbie
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November 16, 2017, 07:34:19 AM
i was thinking of trying to mine this coin but after reading this thread... no way  Grin


same here, too many great alt coins that I have more confidence in. I will pass on bitcoin gold...for now
legendary
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Merit: 1000
November 16, 2017, 04:23:26 AM
Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but HitBTC finally let me generate an address. For those who still care lol.


 changenow will let you trade BTG an does the same thing ShapeShift does but does it better ....

changenow: https://changenow.io/?utm_source=btgexplorer&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=change_btg
ShapeShift : https://shapeshift.io/#/coins  plus ShapeShift  doesn't trade BTG yet ..

I changed mine to BCH .... and gonna keep mining BTG for now

The best pool i found so far for BTG mining

https://gpool.guru

There set up some thing like slushpool as far as seeing what you mine and are paid in looks or do it some thing like slushpool does it for BTC and ZEC mining.

https://slushpool.com  

so far the pool seems stable and the Pool operator's are honest ...
member
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November 16, 2017, 04:17:05 AM
Pool will come up befor I go to sleep. Just enough time to ensure everything is running with no issues. Then after being asleep for 20 minutes I am sure there will be some pool or software issue that kick my connection out. Yay launch day Grin
newbie
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November 16, 2017, 03:40:07 AM
Even though I am a veteran in trading, I am an absolute newbie in mining related matters. I have never tried to mine because my laptop is very old with Intel i3 processor. However, I have recently purchased a new gaming laptop with i7 processor, 12 GB ram and 4 GB DDR5 graphics card. It is still on the way and probably will receive it within another 4 days. I am planning to mine Bitcoin Gold which are going to be created after the upcoming hard fork.

Can anyone please help me with a step-by-step guide of bitcoin gold mining. I need to know from the beginning as I have no idea about mining.

Thanks in advance!
to be honest I also just know about this mining, but from some articles that I read there mention that there are several ways that one can use one with cpu. well I am also confused here how to use it how? while I am a person who does not master computer. please also if you can explain in more detail or there may be manuals. thank you
member
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November 16, 2017, 02:45:30 AM
Why was a separate version of the EWBF miner released for this coin? Isn't it the same Equihash algo as the others?


Its malware, they're putting in code that sends the dev's a cut of the miners work, just like the bgoldd daemon, code was found that sends a cut to dev's when blocks are found

All code assoicated with BTG is MALWARE

Only run code as source that U have actually inspected

The give away proxy's for BTG are also malware and send a cut ( maybe all ) to the dev's
newbie
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November 16, 2017, 02:38:27 AM
getting the first conf´s on btg.suprnova this morning
full member
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November 15, 2017, 11:35:51 PM
BTC / LTC / ETH / BCH / BTG / ETC and 99% of the other coins - are in reality, all the same.

ETH = BTC? Really?!  Grin
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November 15, 2017, 08:04:26 PM
i was thinking of trying to mine this coin but after reading this thread... no way  Grin


Aww, come on lol. I mean, this has been so hilarious I haven't even bothered to point my rig back @ XMR. Reading this thread alone has been worth hangin' in there another day or two.
full member
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nothing is lost if you don't lose yourself
November 15, 2017, 07:11:48 PM
i was thinking of trying to mine this coin but after reading this thread... no way  Grin
member
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November 15, 2017, 05:36:29 PM
Ok after reading through this I have learned:
1: it’s not safe to retrieve your coins because of possible replay attacks and much worse
2: the developers are a mess and they launched a non-working product
3: mining is impossible
4: wallets don’t work
5: we shouldn’t trust this coin

Anything I miss?

Thanks

Slight exaggeration. Slight.
member
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Put it all on the line and go for broke
November 15, 2017, 05:08:57 PM
Ok after reading through this I have learned:
1: it’s not safe to retrieve your coins because of possible replay attacks and much worse
2: the developers are a mess and they launched a non-working product
3: mining is impossible
4: wallets don’t work
5: we shouldn’t trust this coin

Anything I miss?

Thanks
sr. member
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November 15, 2017, 04:39:02 PM
offtopic perhaps. is there anywhere we can sell our btg from the snapshot?

HitBTC has deposits and withdrawals now. I think Binance is open for trading now as well, but I'm not 100% sure since I have not tried it myself. There may be other exchanges as well at this time.
newbie
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November 15, 2017, 03:27:55 PM

Someone is salty they missed the pump  Smiley Wink


Yes and no. Yes - since I did not see personal gain. No - since you can clearly see that new BTG did not bring too much new on comparison to other altcoins and even less. So why this hype ever exists? Only because everybody is greedy and saw it as nice opportunity to get free money.
And yes I am greedy  too Wink

Yeah - but in reality what does BTC offer that for example - Vertcoin doesn't?

Vertcoin is actually way faster than BTC.

BTC has only gotten to this point because it got such a nice pump - that it's taking it a while to come down.

There are only 2-3 coins that offer something new and innovative and practical and are moving forward.

BTC / LTC / ETH / BCH / BTG / ETC and 99% of the other coins - are in reality, all the same.

By the way - expect another pump on BTG once it goes back and settles under $120. It's at $35 million cap right now which is $6 million less than last night and about $21 more than what it was before the pump.
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