Topic: How to stop paying taxes, and get out from under government control. - page 4. (Read 774 times)

You are absolutely right in the fact that you pay taxes one way or another. Some jobs are very taxing on your strength. And, even if you don't pay IRS taxes directly, some of the money interaction you do with others winds up in the pockets of the IRS. So, yes. Taxation will always happen in some form.

In the USA, it is advisable to not become a non-citizen. There are many perks for a State Citizen. One of the perks is that IRS law is not a thing that happens to you directly. And State taxes is another.

Why does the IRS not tax a State Citizen? Because the State, having been given autonomy with its statehood, is like a different country. As long as you do not sign up with the Federal Government for something where you sign directly with them, IRS taxes don't apply... just like a China citizen doesn't pay IRS taxes if he doesn't sign up with the USA for something from the USA directly.

And the reason why a State Citizen doesn't pay State income taxes is, all the States base their income taxes on the Federal. If you don't have any IRS taxes, you can't have any State taxes... nothing to base it on.

Even as a non-citizen, most countries withhold taxes on passive earnings form your financial instruments in that country.

There are some countries where you pay no tax on dividends or capital gains but for the most part, if you have substantial assets in stock markets around the world, you'll be paying taxes to the countries where those securities domicile.

If you a legal resident of a country, you are liable for property and income taxes, in addition to any value-added taxes on goods and services, duties, license fees etc.

There are several ideas here, as I am very experienced with these questions, I can give some much needed explanations.

1/ It's absolutely impossible to stop paying tax.

You sure can avoid paying income tax, but if you drive a car and buy gas, sleep at an hotel or buy a sugary drink, you will pay some tax doing any of those acts.

2/ You can get out of government control.

I know because I've done it. The last time I've paid income tax was in 1997, and nowadays, I don't even bother filling a single tax form. I wouldn't not even know in what country I should fill one as I'm traveling all the time. I'm writing this from Chisinau, Moldova. I've arrived in this country yesterday, and I'm leaving next week. But not paying income tax is only one side of the question, I've stopped being a citizen. I don't vote. I couldn't even register to vote as I don't have a fixed address in the country which grants me a passport.

That's the point, you must stop being a citizen.

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So, why would anyone think that taxation is just at all? Buy what you need from Government. If they can't compete with private sector business, stick them in their own little corner, and let them keep their hands out of our pockets.

Why pick a ruler? Pick the 12-person jury of your common, neighborhood friends. If you can't trust them, why would you think that you can trust a ruler?

That is the way it is in the USA and several other countries. When you go to court, you need to ask your questions, claim your claims, make your points, in the right way. And if you make your points ahead of time by letter to the right IRS people, the IRS will back off before court, if you show them you know what you are doing.

Only a socialist will blame people for starving state institutions and collapsing the economy by evading taxes. A socialist who doesn't know that taxes don't only come from the people's income. I have always said that there are just and unjust taxes and we not only have the right, but an obligation to argue and fight unjust taxation. Making you think that your income tax makes the fire dept. and the hospitals going is an old story told by government officials.

If there is a thief in your house,who keep stealing money from all the corners but you are awake and letting that all the money to be stolen?

Or try to do something against him for stopping and killing him?

We have the power to pick one who is going to rule so we can decide who is going to be the good and evil.

^^^ This is the sign of a good person. If it is karma, or if it is something else, a person who does good and wants to do good is a good person.

We stop paying taxes because they are being used to do all kinds evil by evil people, but we only want to do good.

TheTinyDot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs

I believe karma is a bitch,if you fuck once it will keep fucking you again and again so I just want to be good and good for anyone.

why do you propose geographic discrimination and hatred?

if us stops free trade agreements also with its allies it will simply be dropped and world will appoint a new leader for example russia and gives a fuck about us and us dollar.

Now, I know that you aren't that dumb, to think that having a SSN automatically tells the IRS all your income. But the point isn't what the IRS thinks it knows. The point is who the IRS is.

When the IRS attacks someone to bring them to court, they always (mostly by far) put THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA vs. Jon Doe on the indictment. Jon has the right to face his accuser in court. It is the most  basic of court rights... face his accuser to cross examine him under oath. So, how does anyone get THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to take the oath and get on the stand?

A second point is the US citizen point. What you do is get a passport that shows that you are a State Citizen, not a US citizen. This means that you are not under direct obligation for taxes to the IRS, because the IRS is Federal, and you are State. Since all the States base their income taxes on Federal returns, and you don't have a Federal return because it is not mandatory for State Citizens, you don't have any State taxes.

No matter how much info the IRS gets on your income, there isn't any IRS agent that follows you around and sleeps with you so that they can record your earnings. Even if they got past the point of your accuser, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, getting on the stand, no IRS agent will state under oath that he knows for a fact that you made such and such income. They don't know. And they won't purger themselves. And it is your private info so they can't require you VOLUNTEER it.

The point is, you are not liable to pay income taxes unless you sign some paperwork that makes you liable. The W-4 stuff I talked about previously shows that you don't have a reporting agreement with them. If you don't have a reporting agreement with them, you don't have to file tax returns.

I know. I have used it, and it works. So, it's not nonsense. Rather, you enjoy seeing others being slaves. So you don't like it when people become free.

If you have an SSN, IRS knows about all your earnings both active and passive, anywhere in the world.

All US citizens are required to provide their SSNs when they open bank accounts anywhere on this planet.

IRS gets annual reports of your passive earnings, your account balances, etc.  You are liable to pay taxes and will be prosecuted if you don't report your income and they catch you.

Sooner or later.  No matter what you say and do.  Please stop this nonsense.

Actually, it is the stupidity of those who buy foreign cars that are doing the damage. In America, we don't need foreign cars. We can make our own stuff just as good. If Government had not been populated by one-worlders, we would have had, say, 500% import taxes on imports long ago. Then we would have to make our own goods, because we couldn't afford foreign goods. Jobs would come back. We could be strong because there would be no need for income taxes when Government is getting plenty of money from import taxes.

Somebody said that we need rare earth metals from China. But now we are finding out that we can make our electronics without them. We can do it all here. We don't need the world. The world needs us.

There isn't any hiding about it.

There are two kinds of people:
1. People who want to be left alone;
2. People who won't leave them alone.

Simple, honest people want to do their thing without harming anyone. The others want to steal as much property that they can get from everyone. The government can be used by anyone.

The property stealers think that becoming government officials gives them strength to take property from others. They don't realize that if they push the peaceful people hard enough, the peaceful people will use the same government against the government officials. And it will go much harder for crooked government officials, because they have taken the oath of office wherein they state that they will be good guys.

IRS has always said that taxes are voluntary. And they are. I have just shown you how to stick it to IRS officials who want to steal your money property, when they mess with you because you volunteer out. If you don't like volunteering out, don't do it. But if you want that freedom to NOT volunteer out, but to remain in, you have to give the freedom to others to volunteer out if they want.

i want to see those idiots who first damage state scientific institutions and then starve to death when the economy collapses because of their stupidity, unfortunately they will then migrate to societies where the people werent that stupid, but this is another proof that socialism is trash,

Possibly we can hide ourselves from getting into the eyes of government but at some point we will get caught and will be getting an image like most wanted criminal so most people will afraid of this and paying taxes to the governments even without any ask from the officials.

I don't encourage anyone to violate the laws of government but we are living among the most corrupted people so its not a big sin to evade taxes personally but still I don't do due to the fear of getting a badge like criminal if I get caught.

The thing is, that nobody who doesn't pay taxes is evading, except when he says he is evading.

Anybody in government or outside of it can accuse anyone of evading. But that doesn't mean they are evading. They are only evading when they agree to it in court. Reasons why they might agree include that some judge convinced them, or a plea agreement, or they are ignorant of court procedures, or a jury convicts them, and others. But one of the things the paperwork in the OP sites shows them is how to aim for getting out of it all right from the start.

The initial thing to do is to sign every document: all rights reserved, non-assumpsit, By: Signature, Agent. Do this one, simple thing, and watch how fast they change their tone with you. Throw in your claim to face your accuser, and watch their prosecutor throw out the complaint against you.

There wasn't any evading until you agree that there was. Your freedom allows you to agree, but to also disagree.

Evading tax is illegal so don't do it but actually we can avoid taxes by investing on the right thing which makes the investor more rich and rich whereas the salaried person give some part as tax to the governments.Doing business and registering expenses is one of the best and simple way to avoid taxes.

Actually, you are wrong. And here's why.

All of the reporting is based on voluntary dissemination of the amount of earnings. If you don't want to volunteer your private info, nobody knows what your gross income is, because they don't know how many under-the-table jobs you did.

If they come after you, take them to court in a claim that states that you would voluntarily pay anyone who you harmed. No IRS agent will testify that you harmed him. But even before that, on any indictment against you, it will always be THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA vs. you. Standard court law is that you get to face your accuser and cross examine him. When will THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ever take the oath, get on the stand, and testify.

If someone gets on the stand, the first thing you ask him is, are you THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If he says "yes," get him to show his ID to prove it... maybe drivers license. But even if he does prove he is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, how have you harmed him? Let him show the harm or damage you did to him so you can pay him what you owe him. Even California has laws on the books that state that there has to be real damage, not some fake damage like you hurt his feelings. And get him to show and prove the exact amount. He can't.

How do I know this works? Because I tried to do it. But they wouldn't let me. They simply disappeared when I tried it. Now, I could go after them and sue them. But... we'll see.

LOL. Even if you are not a US citizen living in the US, you are subject to withholding taxes, property taxes, etc.

Give up your US citizenship, see what happens.  You will be an outlaw in no time.  No money, no SSN, no job, and might be picked up by ICE, LOL.

You guys just drink too much moonshine, LOL.