How wide reaching can the consequences of Chipmixer money laundering be? - page 2.

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Quote from: examplens on March 21, 2023, 07:58:18 PM

He is worried about funds left on the campaign address controlled by DarkStar_ around 1.30BTC.

Quote from: airfinex on March 20, 2023, 04:45:23 PM

Why is my ost removed? I just wanted to know what would happen to the $40,000 left in the campaign fund.

what do you think is appropriate to do with these funds?
they cannot be returned to the Chipmixer owner for obvious reasons, and he also cannot continue paying for the campaign, which is obviously over. so what do you propose DS do with those funds?

DS sent a notice to us by PM that he would settle the outstanding campaign earnings for last week with us up to the point the website was seized.

It will be enough to cover everyone, and then they'll be some amount left over (inc. manager commission).

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Quote from: Saisher on March 21, 2023, 07:03:39 PM

He can only get extradited from the country where he is currently located if the US government has an extradition treaty with that country, we cannot expect Russia to cooperate with the US government or even China or any country without an extradition treaty so his only way is to get on countries where he can get an asylum provided that country
will accept him and protect him.
With huge money that he can easily transfer from one country to another, and knowledgeable of computer programming some countries will accept him.

The problem is that almost every country in the world has laws against corruption or money laundering. So he would have very few countries to flee to, without having the problem of justice in that country.

The country may not even have an extradition agreement, but an international arrest warrant allows the country to judge the person based on the crime they are accused of.

Russia could even be an escape option... but maybe he could also be committed to that country. Maybe it would be better to go to an island in the middle of the Pacific and hope that no one recognizes.

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Quote from: airfinex on March 20, 2023, 04:45:23 PM

Why is my ost removed?

probably because it's not written in english

He is worried about funds left on the campaign address controlled by DarkStar_ around 1.30BTC.

Quote from: airfinex on March 20, 2023, 04:45:23 PM

Why is my ost removed? I just wanted to know what would happen to the $40,000 left in the campaign fund.

what do you think is appropriate to do with these funds?
they cannot be returned to the Chipmixer owner for obvious reasons, and he also cannot continue paying for the campaign, which is obviously over. so what do you propose DS do with those funds?

Will someone finally be encouraged and open a celebration thread dedicated to the closing of the campaign and the end of the lavish awarding of certain members of the CM gang?

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Quote from: Rikafip on March 21, 2023, 04:05:26 AM

Quote from: nutildah on March 20, 2023, 06:54:07 AM

This is true, but he's wanted by the FBI. His chances of never getting caught are slim.

True, but its easy to say "just surrender and get good lawyers" when you are not the one that has possibility of going to prison for 40 years and since that guy who is allegedly behind CM 49 years old, that's bascially a life sentence.

He can only get extradited from the country where he is currently located if the US government has an extradition treaty with that country, we cannot expect Russia to cooperate with the US government or even China or any country without an extradition treaty so his only way is to get on countries where he can get an asylum provided that country
will accept him and protect him.
With huge money that he can easily transfer from one country to another, and knowledgeable of computer programming some countries will accept him.

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If he gets caught and goes to prison, he will probably receive a sentence (if found guilty) long enough to see him die in prison.

He is on the run from the US law enforcement agencies and has an international arrest on his name, maybe his best chance in the long term is to hire the best lawyers to try to make a deal which could him travelling to the US voluntarily on the basis he remains out on bail until the until/unless convicted, he may have to surrender 'x' USD$ worth of BTC and if he receives guarantees the prosecution will not seek a sentence beyond 'x' years.

It is worth a try, he probably does have a lot of funds available therefore it would be a good time for him to spend them trying to find a way out of the mess he finds himself in.

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Quote from: nutildah on March 20, 2023, 06:54:07 AM

This is true, but he's wanted by the FBI. His chances of never getting caught are slim.

True, but its easy to say "just surrender and get good lawyers" when you are not the one that has possibility of going to prison for 40 years and since that guy who is allegedly behind CM 49 years old, that's bascially a life sentence.

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Quote from: nutildah on March 20, 2023, 06:54:07 AM

This is true, but he's wanted by the FBI. His chances of never getting caught are slim.

True, but its easy to say "just surrender and get good lawyers" when you are not the one that has possibility of going to prison for 40 years and since that guy who is allegedly behind CM 49 years old, that's bascially a life sentence.

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What do you think could be the chances that the Chipmixer owner collected user data such as mixing chip information, date/time, IP addresses and URL referrals of all or many transactions that took place on his website regardless of what he might have claimed he was or was not doing? After all, just because someone claims something does not mean they are true to their word.

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 19, 2023, 03:11:49 PM

Chipmixer allegedly laundered approximately $3 billion but if the owner of Chipmixer is privy to certain information that could get criminals arrested (or if he has a vast amount of crypto from those mixes that he is willing to hand over) then it makes this case even more interesting.

They seized the site data, so they could find such info themselves. He himself probably doesn't have anything useful to offer because criminals would deal with the site, not him directly.

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Quote from: airfinex on March 20, 2023, 04:45:23 PM

Why is my ost removed? I just wanted to know what would happen to the $40,000 left in the campaign fund.

It's an English board, and you just replied in Croatian. Try to post in English or at least make a new topic about the subject you are trying to inquire about, just in case it was deleted for being off-topic.

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Why is my ost removed? I just wanted to know what would happen to the $40,000 left in the campaign fund.

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Hoće li DarStar podijeliti ostatak sredstava ChipMixera sudionicima kampanje? Menadžeru je ostalo 40 tisuća dolara i rekao je da nema veze s ChipMixerom. Zatvorio je Google tablicu i valjda će nakon što u nedjelju isplati sudionike kampanje zadržati sredstva. Možda kupiti motocikl ili nešto slično.

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 19, 2023, 03:11:49 PM

Chipmixer allegedly laundered approximately $3 billion but if the owner of Chipmixer is privy to certain information that could get criminals arrested (or if he has a vast amount of crypto from those mixes that he is willing to hand over) then it makes this case even more interesting.

They seized the site data, so they could find such info themselves. He himself probably doesn't have anything useful to offer because criminals would deal with the site, not him directly.

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Quote from: Rikafip on March 20, 2023, 03:41:29 AM

Why are you so sure that he will either get caught or surrender? Its obviously not easy to reach this guy because if it was, wouldn't they actually track him and arrest first before going public with all this and giving him an opportunity to run.

This is true, but he's wanted by the FBI. His chances of never getting caught are slim.

Regardless of anybody's personal opinions about the legality of the mixer service itself, the US government has declared it illegal and him worth going after. Being an identity thief isn't helping his case. Would it have been possible for him to run his operation without stealing the identities of others? Possibly not, but that's besides the point.

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Nobody knows how much money the Chipmixer owner has access to or even where he is currently hiding but apart from getting caught or surrendering, what other options are there? If he is looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life it cannot be good for both physical and mental health regardless of the amount of funds he might have access to.

He should consider preparing a legal defence team (he probably has enough funds to hire the best legal experts) and then make a deal with the US authorities to find a solution.

I cannot recall properly but was the main reason scammer Paul Vernon the owner/operator of Cryptsy exchange never arrested because he ended up in China out of the way of US extradition treaties?

Quote from: Rikafip on March 20, 2023, 03:41:29 AM

Why are you so sure that he will either get caught or surrender? Its obviously not easy to reach this guy because if it was, wouldn't they actually track him and arrest first before going public with all this and giving him an opportunity to run.

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 19, 2023, 03:11:49 PM

At the moment the news appears to be that the whereabouts of the owner of Chipmixer remains unknown. Maybe he has enough funds to remain hidden from any authorities chasing him but at some point he will end up getting caught or he will surrender voluntarily.

Why are you so sure that he will either get caught or surrender? Its obviously not easy to reach this guy because if it was, wouldn't they actually track him and arrest first before going public with all this and giving him an opportunity to run.

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Quote from: Rikafip on March 19, 2023, 04:37:17 AM

Well they will have to catch him first. Afaik he is still at large and with the amount of money he (probably) has, he can stay hidden for quite a while. Or I misunderstood something and they got him already?

At the moment the news appears to be that the whereabouts of the owner of Chipmixer remains unknown. Maybe he has enough funds to remain hidden from any authorities chasing him but at some point he will end up getting caught or he will surrender voluntarily.

Do you think there could be any sort of plea bargain offered?

Chipmixer allegedly laundered approximately $3 billion but if the owner of Chipmixer is privy to certain information that could get criminals arrested (or if he has a vast amount of crypto from those mixes that he is willing to hand over) then it makes this case even more interesting.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 19, 2023, 03:50:33 AM

It'll be interesting to see what kind of defense the accused owner puts up. Hopefully he's got enough money to hire a good lawyer after all those assets got ganked by the cabal of governments behind the investigation.

Well they will have to catch him first. Afaik he is still at large and with the amount of money he (probably) has, he can stay hidden for quite a while. Or I misunderstood something and they got him already?

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Quote from: robelneo on March 16, 2023, 07:28:48 PM

The FBI and the Justice do not have jurisdiction when it comes to internet marketing and third-party advertisement, if there is a ruling, the big question is who are covered by this ruling, and how are they going to implement this.

Well I'm sure some alphabet agency would have the authority to go after internet forum members if the government wanted to go that far, but as has been pointed out the funds that were used to advertise Chipmixer were minuscule in comparison to what they've already seized. And frankly I just don't think that's going to happen. Campaign participants rented out their signature space to a company that presumably they believed was doing business legally--but that's my opinion, and I don't have a good grasp of what the law is for stuff like this.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of defense the accused owner puts up. Hopefully he's got enough money to hire a good lawyer after all those assets got ganked by the cabal of governments behind the investigation. I say let justice take its course, but I'm also aware that defense attorneys are there for a reason, i.e., to challenge accusations that may or may not be true.

But it ain't looking good right now.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on March 18, 2023, 09:39:40 PM

My point is, they want to hold of as many Bitcoin as they can and make Bitcoin unusable. The market will decide the effect though.

In reality I think what they want is an opportunity to get Bitcoins and make money. Roll Eyes

Curiously, yesterday I came across a very funny news: Legal Money Laundering: How A German Bank Is Cleaning Tainted Bitcoin And Other Dirty Cryptos

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Quote from: joker_josue on March 18, 2023, 07:30:04 PM

At this point they already have what they wanted, you just have to get it. When they capture the owner of ChipMixer, they'll want to make an example of him.

And how are they going to achieve it? Death sentence or life time behind the bar? I don't think much is going to happen. He will give them a lot of money they will reduce the bar time only if they can catch him. Considering the wealth the guy can easily change his identity, facial even physical structure those we see on the sci-fi movies LOL.

My point is, they want to hold of as many Bitcoin as they can and make Bitcoin unusable. The market will decide the effect though.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on March 18, 2023, 02:37:05 PM

I used Chip Mixer before. But I never researched the way they function. Now that it has been seized, is there any chance FBI gets to untangle previous transactions?

I think this is unlikely to happen. Unless you really find some records, and you have moved very high values. Even so, it would be very difficult for them to find out who it was. And that would take a long time.

At this point they already have what they wanted, you just have to get it. When they capture the owner of ChipMixer, they'll want to make an example of him.

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Of course. None of us shall ever trust a company for what they claim. Even if they can prove most of their claims, unless every single thing is verifiable one shall be naive to trust.

My prediction is we will find ourselves disappointed in a matter of years with a lot of companies. I expect many of those companies claiming to respect Privacy of their users to trait us. I expect many of them to be honey pots. Unfortunately, I truly do believe that any body like me and you, regular people, would be silenced if we attempted to build something like Proton Mail, Chip Mixer or Bitcoin. You have to be very smart to do this in such a way you do not get traced down and framed for your actions and ideas. They are evidently drooling to find Satoshi and a way to untangle Coin Joins (JoinMarket ones now at least), Lightning Network and Monero. There is a strong thirst for ways to demolish anything that can build Privacy.

I used Chip Mixer before. But I never researched the way they function. Now that it has been seized, is there any chance FBI gets to untangle previous transactions?

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