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Topic: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. - page 167. (Read 631983 times)

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Q4 is the earliest possibility of a ETF right? And when do projects finish in time? That's right never, so I'm assuming 2015.

I read that its roughly a year for ETF approval and they applied when ... Q4 2013 right?

-B-

I think so, but as mentioned earlier, when do these ever go smoothly.  Q4 2014 or Q1 2015.  ETF will make it easier for large institutions to invest, but there needs to be transparency and accountability in the system.

Take the Willie report for example.  http://willyreport.wordpress.com/  Assuming this is accurate, this would mean a massive distortion of the marketplace and violation of users trusts (and stealing their money).   This undermines the very core concept of bitcoin, which is that you can trust the other party without knowing who they are.

The crooks need to be driven OUT of the marketplace.  Exchanges must adopt transparent systems that will ensure the consumer that they are 100% legitimate. Ideally these should not be based on "a great team of trusted people who are running the exchange", but instead programmed into the exchange, and can be tracked/viewed/audited by anyone at anytime.

If these protections are not put in place, look forward to lots of regulation.

(This won't prevent outside forces from manipulating the systems, but it's a start.)

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If willy bot says, price go to $1000, it will happen.
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Not if it's Free Willy.  Kiss

willy is free, but has successors.  Smiley
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People are often calling Bitcoin the digital gold, if it reaches the market cap of gold that would be $600,000 a coin. You have to look at Bitcoin for what it is though a commodity that's part of an ecosystem like none other the ecosystem of crypto.
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If willy bot says, price go to $1000, it will happen.
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Not if it's Free Willy.  Kiss
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If willy bot says, price go to $1000, it will happen.
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We must teach people paper representing something has zero vlaue.

It's a discounted version of the real thing, but value is not zero.
legendary
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We must teach people paper representing something has zero vlaue.
...or we must create systems that can make it arbitrarily difficult for exchanges to fail to fully back their paper and fulfill their redemption obligations.

http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=Voting_Pools
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My personal hypothesis: By 3rd/4th quarter of this year we will see ETF's, options, leveraging, etc come into the market. Once this occurs  major Wall Street firms will start trading. This will create volume at levels never seen before and drive the price far, far higher.
They'll trade paper bitcoins that they can't back with real ones, and keep the exchange rate artificially low just like they do with gold.

If we get enought MT Gox situations this will probably not happen as people won't accept useless paper for BTC.  We must teach people paper representing something has zero vlaue.
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Q4 is the earliest possibility of a ETF right? And when do projects finish in time? That's right never, so I'm assuming 2015.

I read that its roughly a year for ETF approval and they applied when ... Q4 2013 right?

-B-
legendary
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My personal hypothesis: By 3rd/4th quarter of this year we will see ETF's, options, leveraging, etc come into the market. Once this occurs  major Wall Street firms will start trading. This will create volume at levels never seen before and drive the price far, far higher.
They'll trade paper bitcoins that they can't back with real ones, and keep the exchange rate artificially low just like they do with gold.

Q4 is the earliest possibility of a ETF right? And when do projects finish in time? That's right never, so I'm assuming 2015.

Are not the Winklevoss brothers trying for Bitcoin ETF backed by their stash ?

Yes.
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This is the best thread on the forum and it will be a cult favorite in the years to come.  Glad its back Smiley

-B-
legendary
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...but I like  the name ''wealthy elite'' haha Smiley

rpietila is even wearing a tie and jacket to prove his elite-ness.  Cool
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The revolution will be digital
My personal hypothesis: By 3rd/4th quarter of this year we will see ETF's, options, leveraging, etc come into the market. Once this occurs  major Wall Street firms will start trading. This will create volume at levels never seen before and drive the price far, far higher.
They'll trade paper bitcoins that they can't back with real ones, and keep the exchange rate artificially low just like they do with gold.

Q4 is the earliest possibility of a ETF right? And when do projects finish in time? That's right never, so I'm assuming 2015.

Are not the Winklevoss brothers trying for Bitcoin ETF backed by their stash ?
newbie
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After reading this, I think you are too optimistic. we can fail anytime, but I like  the name ''wealthy elite'' haha Smiley
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My personal hypothesis: By 3rd/4th quarter of this year we will see ETF's, options, leveraging, etc come into the market. Once this occurs  major Wall Street firms will start trading. This will create volume at levels never seen before and drive the price far, far higher.
They'll trade paper bitcoins that they can't back with real ones, and keep the exchange rate artificially low just like they do with gold.

yes but after the price goes to at least $50,000

If BTC is to replace gold, the price in its suppressed form will be at $300k, all things equal.

...but the things are not equal. Taking delivery of gold is costly and storage is difficult. With BTC much easier. If anyone tries to set up completely fraudulent BTC depositories, there is the frontrunner, Mt.Gox, that has bitten the dust.
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My personal hypothesis: By 3rd/4th quarter of this year we will see ETF's, options, leveraging, etc come into the market. Once this occurs  major Wall Street firms will start trading. This will create volume at levels never seen before and drive the price far, far higher.
They'll trade paper bitcoins that they can't back with real ones, and keep the exchange rate artificially low just like they do with gold.

Thanks justusranvier, you saved me a post.

(of course, I used that post here, thanking you, but still.... I had the exact same thought)
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I am pretty confident the people who got into BTC after the last bubble will never be the wealthy elite thought bitcoin, gentlemen.


/willy report
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My personal hypothesis: By 3rd/4th quarter of this year we will see ETF's, options, leveraging, etc come into the market. Once this occurs  major Wall Street firms will start trading. This will create volume at levels never seen before and drive the price far, far higher.
They'll trade paper bitcoins that they can't back with real ones, and keep the exchange rate artificially low just like they do with gold.

yes but after the price goes to at least $50,000
newbie
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My personal hypothesis: By 3rd/4th quarter of this year we will see ETF's, options, leveraging, etc come into the market. Once this occurs  major Wall Street firms will start trading. This will create volume at levels never seen before and drive the price far, far higher.
They'll trade paper bitcoins that they can't back with real ones, and keep the exchange rate artificially low just like they do with gold.

Q4 is the earliest possibility of a ETF right? And when do projects finish in time? That's right never, so I'm assuming 2015.

I was assuming Q3 for the ETF, but you're probably right.  Let's say Q1 2015.

As bitcoin becomes more widely available and more volume occurs (assuming it's not false volume that has been theorized from the Willie report), more "traditional" investors will start to move in.  Fortress, for example, is a forerunner and taking a big risks. However, most big hedge funds and Wall Street firms are not going to want to work with exchanges that are not fully audited and have legitimate backing.  When more stable, and dare I say it, REGULATED markets come online, the big money will come in.  Second Market, for example.

Then we'll see pump and dump and market manipulation being done by the real professionals.  Wink

6 months to 9 months?  Though if we enter into another Bull market, I'm guessing they'll move faster to try and make a fast profit. 
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