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Remember, we hate America for its 'freedom'.
Hiding murder of civilians, eh? You seem very eager to forget Bush only acted because of the murder of thousands of American civilians in New York.
LOL!!Yeah, by sending more americans to their death then the 911 attacks.
Go figure.
By freeing millions of people from tyranny and beginning the dismantling of Al Qaeda that Obama is finishing. America's soldiers and allies knew exactly what they were getting in to, and don't need you to spit on their accomplishments.
You mean the Al Qaeda that was trained and weaponized by the US to fight for them against the russians?
That Al Qaeda?
That has been slightly overstated. Osama himself never directly received any funds from Americans. Most of the funding for the fighters came through middlemen in Pakistan, and that is the country to look towards for training and weaponizing Al Qaeda, as if the fact that they sheltered Osama for ten years after the attack was not evidence enough for that. Again, the world is complex, sometimes reality just doesn't fall into the neat little anti-American storyline you wish it did. It may be satisfying to hate on America, but when you ignore Pakistan you are again giving the true criminals a free pass.
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It's like I am actually experiencing a news announcement from a telescreen after Two Minutes Hate.
Are you saying Al Qaeda was an imaginary threat? Again, the thousands of people they murdered around the world might take issue with that. In Atlas world I guess they just stop murdering on their own without need for military action because he was going to give them a flower or something.
Hiding murder of civilians, eh? You seem very eager to forget Bush only acted because of the murder of thousands of American civilians in New York.
LOL!!Yeah, by sending more americans to their death then the 911 attacks.
Go figure.
By freeing millions of people from tyranny and beginning the dismantling of Al Qaeda that Obama is finishing. America's soldiers and allies knew exactly what they were getting in to, and don't need you to spit on their accomplishments.
Um, actually, when it came out that the CIA was cherry-picking evidence and sometimes outright lying, turns out not so much...
Hiding murder of civilians, eh? You seem very eager to forget Bush only acted because of the murder of thousands of American civilians in New York.
LOL!!Yeah, by sending more americans to their death then the 911 attacks.
Go figure.
By freeing millions of people from tyranny and beginning the dismantling of Al Qaeda that Obama is finishing. America's soldiers and allies knew exactly what they were getting in to, and don't need you to spit on their accomplishments.
Hiding murder of civilians, eh? You seem very eager to forget Bush only acted because of the murder of thousands of American civilians in New York.
LOL!!Yeah, by sending more americans to their death then the 911 attacks.
Go figure.
By freeing millions of people from tyranny and beginning the dismantling of Al Qaeda that Obama is finishing. America's soldiers and allies knew exactly what they were getting in to, and don't need you to spit on their accomplishments.
You mean the Al Qaeda that was trained and weaponized by the US to fight for them against the russians?
That Al Qaeda?
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I know, it's good that the US is cleaning up their shit.
But why so late?
Hiding murder of civilians, eh? You seem very eager to forget Bush only acted because of the murder of thousands of American civilians in New York.
LOL!!Yeah, by sending more americans to their death then the 911 attacks.
Go figure.
By freeing millions of people from tyranny and beginning the dismantling of Al Qaeda that Obama is finishing. America's soldiers and allies knew exactly what they were getting in to, and don't need you to spit on their accomplishments.
Hiding murder of civilians, eh? You seem very eager to forget Bush only acted because of the murder of thousands of American civilians in New York.
LOL!!Yeah, by sending more americans to their death then the 911 attacks.
And it's still nothing compared to the deaths of local people in those countries.
It really is appalling and bush realy is a war criminal.
But he clearly stated that he rejects the international tribunal.
Go figure.
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Anyways, the losses of 9/11 could of been prevented if the government acted on previous information. The government knew about the attacks before they happened! This could of all been avoided.
And now you sweep away the guilt of the terrorists who murdered thousands and put the blame on Americans, the victims of the attack.
Damn right, I am blaming the US government. The facts is they didn't do their job. They didn't do what we pay them to do and that is to defend our sovereignty in face of potential threats.
The terrorists were wrong but so was the government. They acted practically acted together,
Look, I know it must have been a very scary day for little seven year old Atlas, but some of us were actually adults at the time and have looked in detail at the attacks. You are espousing a fringe conspiracy theory without any actual basis in fact. One day I hope you can grow up, find The Bridge to Total Freedom like I did, and find some spiritual peace with yourself and the world.
When you falsely tell the murderer the government was his accomplice, you are defending him. Stop it, it's offensive to the survivors. They may have not seemed real to you, as a little kid watching this unfold, but they were.
Defense of the nation is a duty a Democratic government cannot ignore. I am also a fan of our efforts in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya to overthrow authoritarian governments and replace them with the power of the people.
How are you defending America by bombing people of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya?Controlling the flow of dwindling energy resources creates a situation where we can extort other nations into supporting our monetary structures. By 'we', I mean largely the US, but other Western countries can ride along so they can (and do) help pull the wagon. While there is some 'collateral damage', I doubt that that is the extent of the story...brutalizing and murdering occupied populations is a time-tested and often effective way of maintaining control.
I believe that it is appropriate to label our actions as 'defensive' and that lacking them we would have been forced to 'retreat' from our position on the world stage. I believe that our actions are also highly unethical...and one of the more valid arguments for weaseling out of paying one's fair share of taxes.
Oh, your people are Republicans? Oh, well I'm sure this time they will get it right and the tax cuts will fix the economy and we will be back to the paradise Republican rule left to Obama in 2008!
Surely John McCain couldn't have done worse handling the responsibility. But yes, I'm looking forward to a return to paradise!
Wake up people!
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Anyways, the losses of 9/11 could of been prevented if the government acted on previous information. The government knew about the attacks before they happened! This could of all been avoided.
And now you sweep away the guilt of the terrorists who murdered thousands and put the blame on Americans, the victims of the attack.
Damn right, I am blaming the US government. The facts is they didn't do their job. They didn't do what we pay them to do and that is to defend our sovereignty in face of potential threats.
The terrorists were wrong but so was the government. They acted practically acted together,
Look, I know it must have been a very scary day for little seven year old Atlas, but some of us were actually adults at the time and have looked in detail at the attacks. You are espousing a fringe conspiracy theory without any actual basis in fact. One day I hope you can grow up, find The Bridge to Total Freedom like I did, and find some spiritual peace with yourself and the world.
When you falsely tell the murderer the government was his accomplice, you are defending him. Stop it, it's offensive to the survivors. They may have not seemed real to you, as a little kid watching this unfold, but they were.
Oh, your people are Republicans? Oh, well I'm sure this time they will get it right and the tax cuts will fix the economy and we will be back to the paradise Republican rule left to Obama in 2008!
Surely John McCain couldn't have done worse handling the responsibility. But yes, I'm looking forward to a return to paradise!
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Anyways, the losses of 9/11 could of been prevented if the government acted on previous information. The government knew about the attacks before they happened! This could of all been avoided.
And now you sweep away the guilt of the terrorists who murdered thousands and put the blame on Americans, the victims of the attack.
Damn right, I am blaming the US government. The facts is they didn't do their job. They didn't do what we pay them to do and that is to defend our sovereignty in face of potential threats.
The terrorists were wrong but so was the government. They practically acted together.
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Anyways, the losses of 9/11 could of been prevented if the government acted on previous information. The government knew about the attacks before they happened! This could of all been avoided.
And now you sweep away the guilt of the terrorists who murdered thousands and put the blame on Americans, the victims of the attack.
I guess hippie Atlas doesn't care about the millions of children who starved under the UN sanctions regime in Iraq.
Blind violence isn't an effective solution.
If being a hippy means not compromising when it comes to individual human lives, I'm a hippy.
Blind violence isn't an effective solution.
If being a hippy means not compromising when it comes to individual human lives, I'm a hippy.
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Defense of the nation is a duty a Democratic government cannot ignore. I am also a fan of our efforts in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya to overthrow authoritarian governments and replace them with the power of the people.
The murderers are the people like Saddam and Gaddafi and bin Laden, not the men and women who sign up to fight for justice and freedom in the armies of America and places like England and Germany and France.
I can tolerate everything else you say. However, when you hide and/or defend murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, that's when I draw the line. I am extremely disturbed by your undeterred patriotism and reverence of the state, Rarity.
If you find yourself in a position of power one day, may god (if he exists) help your subordinate's souls.
Hiding murder of civilians, eh? You seem very eager to forget Bush only acted because of the murder of thousands of American civilians in New York. I guess a peacenik hippie like you would let that slide, but some of us have friends and family who live in New York and worked in or around those buildings.
Destruction and vengeance builds nothing. It only destroys. We aren't even defending our interests anymore. We are only giving them more incentive to hurt us. We're the enemy now.
Anyways, the losses of 9/11 could of been prevented if the government acted on previous information. The government knew about the attacks before they happened! This could of all been avoided.
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Defense of the nation is a duty a Democratic government cannot ignore. I am also a fan of our efforts in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya to overthrow authoritarian governments and replace them with the power of the people.
The murderers are the people like Saddam and Gaddafi and bin Laden, not the men and women who sign up to fight for justice and freedom in the armies of America and places like England and Germany and France.
I can tolerate everything else you say. However, when you hide and/or defend murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, that's when I draw the line. I am extremely disturbed by your undeterred patriotism and reverence of the state, Rarity.
If you find yourself in a position of power one day, may god (if he exists) help your subordinate's souls.
Hiding murder of civilians, eh? You seem very eager to forget Bush only acted because of the murder of thousands of American civilians in New York. I guess a peacenik hippie like you would let that slide, but some of us have friends and family who live in New York and worked in or around those buildings.
I guess hippie Atlas doesn't care about the millions of children who starved under the UN sanctions regime in Iraq.
http://www.globalissues.org/article/105/effects-of-sanctions
Life is never as simple as it seems through the lenses of simple ideology, leaders must make tough choices. If people must die, it's better they die for freedom than to starve for nothing like you want Atlas.
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Defense of the nation is a duty a Democratic government cannot ignore. I am also a fan of our efforts in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya to overthrow authoritarian governments and replace them with the power of the people.
The murderers are the people like Saddam and Gaddafi and bin Laden, not the men and women who sign up to fight for justice and freedom in the armies of America and places like England and Germany and France.
I can tolerate everything else you say. However, when you hide and/or defend murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians (practically genocide), that's when I draw the line. I am extremely disturbed by your undeterred patriotism and reverence of the state, Rarity.
If you find yourself in a position of power one day, may god (if he exists) help your subordinate's souls.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
You're defending the murders of over 100,000 people caused by the US's invasion. I can't even support that as an equitable opinion. It's disgusting.
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If invading countries, toppling foreign governments, and bombing and murdering over a hundred thousands civilians is "defense of the nation," then such a nation is not worthy of defense.
Hi folks, I know it can be hard to keep up with me sometimes so you really need to take a minute and carefully consider my words before jumping to conclusions.
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Defense of the nation is a duty a Democratic government cannot ignore. I am also a fan of our efforts in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya to overthrow authoritarian governments and replace them with the power of the people.
The use of the word also here is to let you know I don't consider these two things to be exactly the same. Overthrowing authoritarian terrorist supporting nations along with allies in NATO and at the UN is an act of defense of the world, not just of one country.
The murderers are the people like Saddam and Gaddafi and bin Laden, not the men and women who sign up to fight for justice and freedom in the armies of America and places like England and Germany and France.
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Where are the 'efforts' of your Democratic government to overthrow authoritarian governments and replace them with the power of the people in places like Bahrain and Saudi Arabia? Just on the contrary, your efforts there are focused to preserve the status quo!
I look forward to revolutions in these countries as well, their time will come. Egypt proved the West doesn't always have to intervene. As powerful as the West is they can't save everyone at once. Say what you will about Iraq and Libya but ridding the world of those dictators is a far cry from the status quo.
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My folks then spoke loudly and took the House back. In a year, "we people" will speak loudly again and take back the Senate and the White House. The math already seem pretty clear on this.
Oh, your people are Republicans? Oh, well I'm sure this time they will get it right and the tax cuts will fix the economy and we will be back to the paradise Republican rule left to Obama in 2008!
Defense of the nation is a duty a Democratic government cannot ignore. I am also a fan of our efforts in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya to overthrow authoritarian governments and replace them with the power of the people.
Where are the 'efforts' of your Democratic government to overthrow authoritarian governments and replace them with the power of the people in places like Bahrain and Saudi Arabia? Just on the contrary, your efforts there are focused to preserve the status quo! Jump to: