Topic: I believe this account is handled by someone else (Read 1080 times)

Since you got the final answers to why you started this thread, it's probably best to lock it now. There is no need for further discussion on this topic, all further writings here will be just useless spam.

Thank you @alani123 for having a call with me today, which went well. Obviously you grew, as it's been 4 years now since we made contact. Welcome back bro, Im glad to know everything is fine with you now at least. Hope to see you more here, and I hope we can work as we were used to working in the past.

Exactly, We will sort this out in one way or other, still have some of my doubts, but never asked any DT guy to give him neg, it was not my intentioned to give him neg feedback when I started this thread, it was created just for awareness purposes.

But I think that's a matter between you and him.

I don't think any DT is going to neg tag him because he doesn't want to do a face call with you. We need proof that he is not the same person, especially after he has signed a message. I understand that you doubt it but I don't think there is anything else we can do as things stand.

Hi bro, I understand crypto is all about being Anon. One should remain anonymous in this field and crypto allows us to be in that way. But, the case we are discussing is different, as I mentioned in the OP we have know each other for few years and we he worked for me on many projects, being my BDM, we used to have meeting with clients and internal meetings and we do it with Face calls. The way he left suddenly and how he appeared back it was strange and I know he already provided all the proofs but I was insisting on face call because I wanted to work with him again on my future projects.

Hey, friend Sashan. If you're going to respond to something JollyGood wrote on October 13, 2023, 02:21:42 AM it wouldn't hurt to look at what he wrote next on October 13, 2023, 12:43:19 PM after nutildah and I made similar criticisms. In short:

Bro, are you crazy? As a crypto user, how can you/we ask for video call verification (called know your customer). We have no right to do that and if we do that then what does bitcoin stand for? The writing style is okay, signing message okay. Now we can't say anything until there is anything happened which is suspicious.

Ah, that serves me right for posting well past my usual sleep time  

No we do not need to ask anybody for KYC to prove their identity and if he has severed his relationship with the OP and decides to not provide an explanation that is for him. What concerned me after reading the OP was recalling an account not that long ago seemed to have been traded and signing a message to demonstrate ownership was part of the deal.

I do not know, that is why I stated "if". The part I should have worded differently was the "all available evidence" part.

Yes it is but in this instance I think the OP was stating he was concerned by he was being avoided with someone he was on those types of terms with. And with that along with the return after inactivity no doubt made the OP concerned.

I have no idea how I missed it. I should have been in bed by that time, I hold my hand up because I got that one wrong. I was wrongly under the impression he was from the same country as the OP.

I am sending him a PM to apologise. As mentioned above by someone else, of he no longer wishes to interact with the OP that is a decision for him. He has signed a message from a known address therefore he does not need to do anything else.

I know you as well as I know him, i.e. nothing. And I know that he wrote from time to time on the local board of greece, and that he still does, just as he has signed two messages from a staked address. So for me to believe that he is not the original owner I need more than you saying that he has not made a face call with you.

I also spent some time without loggin in the forum and someone could claim that nowadays whoever manages this account is not me, and that I have to make a face call even though I can sign messages from my staked address. I will not tolerate that.

In your case, if what you say is true, I understand that you don't trust him and you can leave him a tag, either neutral or negative, but also think that maybe he didn't think as highly of you as you thought, and that's why he broke off the relationship. Sometimes it happens. I don't see much logic in the alternative version. Buying an account and keeping it unused for almost 4 years when you write in Greek and can sign messages from staked addresses, as opposed to what we see in almost every other case of accusations of accounts changing hands.

Not if two people already known each other for few years and they use to do it. I asked him only as we were close and use to do meetings at Skype. I asked him so we can start where we left, and if he is real G.K he will or would have already completed that ID verification with me.

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I can confirm he is from Greece 🇬🇷. He invited me to visit him there 😝

Nobody should ever have to "commit to ID verification" here, that's creepy.

He has mentioned "Greece" dozens of times in his posting history:



Additionally, threatening people with negative tags if they don't respond to your inquiry - as you have done with your neutral trust - is not cool. Nobody should have to provide anybody with additional information about themselves. Its on you as an investigator to find the information yourself. In this instance, it was quite easy to do.

You haven't looked very hard, then. I have picked up pages of his post history randomly and I do see posts written in Greek. On page 51, or this one from May 2013, at the beginning of his post history. And I haven't looked very hard, so I'm sure there are many, many more.


Is this a joke or what? Are we going to ask for KYC now to prove ownership of bitcointalk accounts? Face calls? If he severed his relationship with the OP for some reason, maybe he suddenly doesn't feel like talking to him for the same reason he stopped talking to him.


How do you know this? As far as I know signing a message has always been considered the strongest way to prove ownership of a bitcointalk account.



So if he finally has a KYC/Face call with the OP we will continue to assume that the account has been bought, denying all the evidence?


I don't agree with this.

Well, in the past three days alani123 has made three posts in the Greek local board: Ninjastic

I have had a look at his post history and can find zero posts in local boards over the years yet here he is posting again after a gap of absence but has not committed himself to ID verification with you even though you and the original owner of the account were on video call terms.

If the account was hacked he should not be in position to use it. If it was sold/purchased, he still should not be able to use it therefore negative tags would suffice. The only way around avoiding negative feedback would be for the current operator of the alani123 account to prove to you he operates it therefore I will place a neutral tag. If he cannot verify his identity to you within 48 hours I will replace it with a negative tag.

Let us not forget, he signed a message from a known address, that means if the account was sold/purchased the known address was part of the deal just as many sales include nowadays. In an attempt to further deceive, the current operator could (by virtue of offering more money) ask the original owner to make that video call to claim he is still operating the account. We do not know what he will say but he should be allowed some time to reply.

I have sent a PM advising him to post here:

Hello alani123,

I hope you are well.

Thank you for posting in the thread irfan_pak10 created I believe this account is handled by someone else to question whether your account was still in the control of the person that created it. Also, thank you for signing a message from a known address.

All available evidence suggests the account has been either sold or hacked and for that reason I should leave a negative tag, however, I left a temporary neutral tag which will be removed either after you make the video call with irfan_pak10 and he confirms your identity or it will be replaced with a negative tag if you do not post in the thread with a believable explanation within the next couple of days.

Wishing you a good day. Thank you.

Kind Regards

If you have tried using various methods to contact him but he has not responded, there could be reasonable explanations but if he has returned to the forum and has posted in this thread (yet has consistently decided to ignore your request for a voice/video call to confirm his identity as well as chat between two associates who have communicated outside of this forum several times), it seems he is actively avoiding you.

Yes there is a strong possibility the account could have changed hands but it is too soon to state for sure. As alani123 has now joined a signature campaign he will not be able to ignore you or this thread because he will need to meet post quota to receive payment. He really should clear this doubt as soon as possible by contacting you.

Irfan_pak10 you did well to have drag his attention at least to be at the safer side, actually lot of drama do happen over here for just a common mistake and with our decision and finding we might conclude and give a rash decision on something we might not know is just a common error or mistakes but, I am grateful he came to clear the air by signing a message. This alone stops the whole drama, maybe when next we need to be patient to wait for feedback maybe probably we can wait for some weeks or months to know whether that person will respond after reading messages because there are people who have other jobs that mostly occupied their time and could give little attention to the forum so at the cost of their absence we might ran into conclusion that something phishing is wrong with the account.

Update- He is active but seems to be dodging my question, I pmed him here and on Skype two days ago, but no answer. Hoping he missed my message.

I really hope that this is G.K, As I missed him a lot, he was my company BDM and was really good at his job. Sent him a PM and want to call as soon as he sees my messages, so we can start working where we left.

I was going to make a comment to him about confirming to you the last three digits of your Whatsapp number but then decided to not mention it because when accounts get sold nowadays many of them come along with email addresses and a known/linked address capable of signing a message therefore returning to the seller to ask for the Whatsapp number should not be too difficult if the accounts was sold. I am not stating that is what occurred, I am speculating at some possibilities.

Having said that, if he made a video call with you that would be excellent for identity confirmation otherwise it will raise questions even if there is a signed message from a known address.

Glad to see you back bro, Just PMed you here, and would like to connect through our old channels so we talk about what happened, why you suddenly left all the channels including WhatsApp.


The last thing remaining is identity verification, Which I can do easily through video call, which we used to do back in 2019. Hope @alani123 can do this step with me.

I have verified the signature via electrum and Now I have no doubt about the ownership of the account. And as I have no doubt of the ownership of the account I am going to remove the neutral tag which I have given at the time of suspension of the account ownership.