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Quote from: alani123 on October 06, 2023, 09:29:55 AM

Here's a new one:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
October 6 2023, Narges Mohammadi gets Nobel prize. alani123 still the same person
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Uhke1Z8+JibeJ4WkPXEU4pk5c3LCqBqbqbc3fMfFySIAst5d+MThQcTvXAytH1AwVdMlCM4WpiE7DMUN74QWc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Verified.

Quote from: alani123 on October 06, 2023, 09:29:55 AM

I hope this proves account ownership beyond reasonable doubt now.

Yes. I think us bitcointalk detectives can go rest for a while now. We leave you and irfan_pak10 to settle your affairs.

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Ok I did some of my own sleuthing.

It was a copy-paste error 100%. (Even I wasn't sure personally). Loyce's service saves once again.

Falconer had simply deleted their response.
See:
https://loyce.club/archive/topics/526/5268286.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5498/54981867.html

Or search on your own by thread ID here:
https://loyce.club/archive/members/

And yeah, I also get the concern of the signature possibly maybe having been created in the past.

Here's a new one:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
October 6 2023, Narges Mohammadi gets Nobel prize. alani123 still the same person
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Uhke1Z8+JibeJ4WkPXEU4pk5c3LCqBqbqbc3fMfFySIAst5d+MThQcTvXAytH1AwVdMlCM4WpiE7DMUN74QWc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I hope this proves account ownership beyond reasonable doubt now.

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I have also verified the signed message but as shasan stated, without a date being added (and maybe mentioning the URL of this thread) it does not mean much. Call it the curiosity of Bitcointalk detectives if it pleases you Grin

The OP was concerned therefore created the thread, had you responded to him this thread would have been unnecessary. Imagine, going through all this hassle including replying in this thread but ignoring this post. Can you add your perspective?

Quote from: shasan on October 06, 2023, 08:57:30 AM

Quote from: alani123 on October 06, 2023, 08:37:04 AM

Take 2

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

IBGyoOMRqWZqYA6o2EOPCU1wqv0nZycoh8QBidQwFMCuL9FLMDuoBTsOeOFYsbJKuiqWgzybtqdI1+GnQWXswk8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Your signature has been verified by Electrum. But the signature can't be proof this has been created today. So, can you please mention the date of today or about this thread? Also can you please respond to the post mentioned here?

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Quote from: alani123 on October 06, 2023, 08:37:04 AM

Take 2

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

IBGyoOMRqWZqYA6o2EOPCU1wqv0nZycoh8QBidQwFMCuL9FLMDuoBTsOeOFYsbJKuiqWgzybtqdI1+GnQWXswk8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Your signature has been verified by Electrum. But the signature can't be proof this has been created today. So, can you please mention the date of today or about this thread? Also can you please respond to the post mentioned here?

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Quote from: alani123 on October 06, 2023, 08:37:04 AM

Take 2

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

IBGyoOMRqWZqYA6o2EOPCU1wqv0nZycoh8QBidQwFMCuL9FLMDuoBTsOeOFYsbJKuiqWgzybtqdI1+GnQWXswk8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I've verified it using Electrum.

Quote from: alani123 on October 06, 2023, 05:07:34 AM

Whoah, bitcointalk detectives are still very active. Good job on your sleuthing everyone. I'm amazed.
...
I will message Irfan personally over this, no further comment needed I believe. Thanks for understanding.

As you can see, the whole thing started because he said he had regular contact with you and suddenly you disappeared. And with the number of accounts that change hands on the forum, don't be surprised that there are detectives.

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Take 2

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

IBGyoOMRqWZqYA6o2EOPCU1wqv0nZycoh8QBidQwFMCuL9FLMDuoBTsOeOFYsbJKuiqWgzybtqdI1+GnQWXswk8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

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Quote from: alani123 on October 06, 2023, 05:07:34 AM

Whoah, bitcointalk detectives are still very active. Good job on your sleuthing everyone. I'm amazed.
Yes, seems like I made a copy-paste error. Even I didn't notice it.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/updated-list-of-gambling-websites-797299
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Ty0zEbkhc0mqCnenzAI7UXaZl+EKlMnHoGnfXZBlqFd/yhHVE2BssFD7KsP8mRjhShfg85Dcoq9xAnjwFQfU0=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Those that have used bitcoin in a decentralized manner should know that this serves as irrefutable proof I'm the original owner of this Bitcointalk account.
I will message Irfan personally over this, no further comment needed I believe. Thanks for understanding.

I could not understand why you could not know about this topic also you have posted here after 2 messages from me. Anyway, I have tried to verify via Electrum as well as https://www.verifybitcoinmessage.com/ but I could not verify that. Would you like to re-check your signature?

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Whoah, bitcointalk detectives are still very active. Good job on your sleuthing everyone. I'm amazed.
Yes, seems like I made a copy-paste error. Even I didn't notice it.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/updated-list-of-gambling-websites-797299
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Ty0zEbkhc0mqCnenzAI7UXaZl+EKlMnHoGnfXZBlqFd/yhHVE2BssFD7KsP8mRjhShfg85Dcoq9xAnjwFQfU0=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Those that have used bitcoin in a decentralized manner should know that this serves as irrefutable proof I'm the original owner of this Bitcointalk account.
I will message Irfan personally over this, no further comment needed I believe. Thanks for understanding.

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Quote from: FatFork on October 06, 2023, 02:35:16 AM

Quote from: YOSHIE on October 05, 2023, 11:26:44 AM

That's what makes me a little confused, is @alani123 controlled by @Falconer or vice versa.

Maybe I don't care about sending the application sent by @alani123, if it is in the same campaign it will probably be copy/pasted, which makes me think there is control between the two, the application is in a different campaign, but the profile is the same.

What do you think in this case, is there a possibility like the topic title.

That's weird, but I think it's a simple copy-paste error.

They both posted in the Gamdom.com campaign thread. Falconer posted first so I think alani123 probably copied his post and changed all the information except the profile url.

This is very possible. I mean copying and pasting other peoples application posts, and then editing it with our own details is very common practice amongst campaign participants and bounty hunters, participants mostly do this to make their application post come faster, most especially for those who are early enough and have the opportunity of having their application on the first page of the campaign or bounty thread.

But then, its unfortunate that some person, out of being too in a hurry fail to completely edit out their application after having copied it from another user.

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on January 12, 2020, 12:38:25 PM

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Quote from: LTU_btc on January 11, 2020, 06:10:44 PM

Based on what you wrote, it definitely looks suspicious. If @alani123 have staked Bitcoin address, I think we should ask him to post a signed message from this address. It probably will answer all questions. OP, have you tried to contact him on Bitcointalk when he didn't answered you on other platforms?

I supported what you said because people go through some emergency or disaster which may lead to the lost of phone, home and valuable properties. Besides, if the user mentioned by the OP is indeed an old buddy there should an old slang which they both use each time they communicate he can that to also figure out if the account holder is now someone else.

He was my business development manager. I knew him very well, disappearing was very shocking to me, I thought something might have happened to him.

- Tried PMing him before, I tried him few days ago too but no response

Going by this, i guess its ok to say that the real owner of this account is dead probably, and the account is now in custody of maybe a family member or friend, cus I don't want to believe that the initial owner is still alive and sold this account, for if it was so, why did it take him so long to do it?.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on October 05, 2023, 11:26:44 AM

That's what makes me a little confused, is @alani123 controlled by @Falconer or vice versa.

Maybe I don't care about sending the application sent by @alani123, if it is in the same campaign it will probably be copy/pasted, which makes me think there is control between the two, the application is in a different campaign, but the profile is the same.

What do you think in this case, is there a possibility like the topic title.

That's weird, but I think it's a simple copy-paste error.

They both posted in the Gamdom.com campaign thread. Falconer posted first so I think alani123 probably copied his post and changed all the information except the profile url.

Falconer's post: https://ninjastic.space/post/54981867
alani123's post: https://ninjastic.space/post/54981914

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Quote from: shasan on October 03, 2023, 06:15:08 PM

I am trying to bump the thread as I have received a private message regarding the ownership of the account. From the message, the user (alani123) is trying to say that s/he is the actual account holder of the account. I have told to proof the ownership of the account on this thread.

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Interesting, If he can reach me through the channel we used to use before, or we can even do a face call, as I, still remember his face. Then, I can assure you if he is real or fake. I thought he died, as he just vanished one day from all the channels simultaneously. I used to call him but no answer.

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Quote from: SamReomo on October 06, 2023, 12:53:40 AM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 05, 2023, 07:25:38 PM

It can be that the owner of this said account might have changed his contact or something might have happened that's why the OP couldn't get to him since trying his line or something. Has the OP tried dropping a PM for him on this Forum to get a familiar response? If not he should try it.
As it is this is a very delicate matter that needs to be taken care of with calmness and you shouldn't rush into making a decision that might spoil someone's account and it could be that the said account is being run by the original owner, who knows? And 3 years is a very long time to be offline, lets just assume that he lost his phone and has changed all his contact.

I agree with you because something like that can happen with many people. I believe in most countries in order to register a sim card one has to provide ID verification and sometimes the ones who're underage takes help from others in order to open sim card for them. That can be true in the case of OP he might have lost access to the sim card which he owned back then and once someone doesn't have access to the number which they used on Whatsapp then most probably they won't be able to reply to the ones who were in their contact list.

The annoying part of these thing is that the person in question won't know how many persons that might have been trying to contact him and getting worried about such development on his account here on Bitcointalk just to verify if he's the one still running the account and also on his other social media accounts.
And in some cases someone who has misplaced his sim can be less concern about his contacts that he can't get access to, but I think the only way OP can get connected is only IF this guy in question did something like a backup on his Whatsapp, but if not then it will be hard.

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I also think that OP should send the user a PM and see what type of replies he will get, and if the reply seems similar to the ones that the original owner of the account sent to OP during the time when they were in contact with each other then the case is solved, however if the reply seems different then still OP will have to try other ways in order to confirm that the original owner is not operating the account. I think if the one who's operating the account is trying to contact @shasan then he might be the real owner of the account because otherwise why would he want to send a reputed member a PM in order to prove himself.

Two things can happen,
(1) The person in charge (let's say is not the real owner) can really go through some of the old PMs and follow the how they relate and also flow with the chat just to push OP's curiosity aside to continue using the account.
(2) The user can as well pretend he didn't get any PM from the OP and you can't take actions with that kind of behavior yet, just have to be very careful before hashtag that account as stolen account.

But what if the real owner truly sold the account to this person operating it? I'm just saying because things can happen in this way.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 05, 2023, 07:25:38 PM

It can be that the owner of this said account might have changed his contact or something might have happened that's why the OP couldn't get to him since trying his line or something. Has the OP tried dropping a PM for him on this Forum to get a familiar response? If not he should try it.
As it is this is a very delicate matter that needs to be taken care of with calmness and you shouldn't rush into making a decision that might spoil someone's account and it could be that the said account is being run by the original owner, who knows? And 3 years is a very long time to be offline, lets just assume that he lost his phone and has changed all his contact.

I agree with you because something like that can happen with many people. I believe in most countries in order to register a sim card one has to provide ID verification and sometimes the ones who're underage takes help from others in order to open sim card for them. That can be true in the case of OP he might have lost access to the sim card which he owned back then and once someone doesn't have access to the number which they used on Whatsapp then most probably they won't be able to reply to the ones who were in their contact list.

I also think that OP should send the user a PM and see what type of replies he will get, and if the reply seems similar to the ones that the original owner of the account sent to OP during the time when they were in contact with each other then the case is solved, however if the reply seems different then still OP will have to try other ways in order to confirm that the original owner is not operating the account. I think if the one who's operating the account is trying to contact @shasan then he might be the real owner of the account because otherwise why would he want to send a reputed member a PM in order to prove himself.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 05, 2023, 10:43:09 AM

I am not sure it is as simple as that. The account has woken up after more than three years of inactivity and there is the case that the OP has been unable to contact the creator of the account and that has been out of character. If the current operator of the alani123 account is the original creator, they would easily be able to confirm the mobile number (or other mode of contact) they used to chat with the OP.

It can be that the owner of this said account might have changed his contact or something might have happened that's why the OP couldn't get to him since trying his line or something. Has the OP tried dropping a PM for him on this Forum to get a familiar response? If not he should try it.
As it is this is a very delicate matter that needs to be taken care of with calmness and you shouldn't rush into making a decision that might spoil someone's account and it could be that the said account is being run by the original owner, who knows? And 3 years is a very long time to be offline, lets just assume that he lost his phone and has changed all his contact.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on January 11, 2020, 01:14:17 PM

I had a good connection with user alani123 back in 2018-2019 when he disappeared from all the online channels.

If you talk about @alani123, I also see a little oddity in the assumption, whether @alani123's account was sold/hacked.
However, even though the evidence is not strong enough to state that @alani123's account was sold/hacked, I noticed something odd in the post made by @alani123.

The irregularity I mean can be seen from the application posted by @alani123 himself, which alani123 placed in the @Falconer profile application.

Which makes me feel a little odd here, @alani123 The application is posted in a different campaign.
*alani123, Gamdom.com campaign.
* Falconer, BK8 campaign.

That's what makes me a little confused, is @alani123 controlled by @Falconer or vice versa.

Proof can be seen below, press on profile.

Quote from: alani123 on August 12, 2020, 10:01:49 AM

Bitcointalk Username: alani123
Profile link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/falconer-387572
Post Count: 6275 (including this one)
Gamdom Name : grill10
Forum Rank : Legendary
Btc Address : 32kULadbZSQVudWhgs3wwu7z2dVxa4NnkK

https://archive.vn/wip/IqrxQ

Quote from: Falconer on March 16, 2022, 09:29:08 AM

BK8 username: Falconer
Bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/falconer-387572
SegWit (bech32) BTC Address: bc1qam9awxh6hylgxpxhp8ld8xjqeymv83c2tdtyra
Current post count (Including this one): 4220
Amount of merit Earned in the last 120 days: ~~206~~ 239

https://archive.vn/wip/tQfLw

Maybe I don't care about sending the application sent by @alani123, if it is in the same campaign it will probably be copy/pasted, which makes me think there is control between the two, the application is in a different campaign, but the profile is the same.

What do you think in this case, is there a possibility like the topic title.

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I am not sure it is as simple as that. The account has woken up after more than three years of inactivity and there is the case that the OP has been unable to contact the creator of the account and that has been out of character. If the current operator of the alani123 account is the original creator, they would easily be able to confirm the mobile number (or other mode of contact) they used to chat with the OP.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on October 03, 2023, 09:49:26 PM

So someone woke up and ignored you, so you automatically jump to conclusions the account has changed hands.

Is that the sum of your "proof" ??

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Well, actually, I just replied in a thread of his, and ended up in this thread guided by sashan's neutral feedback. I see that in this case it's going to come up again the question whether to red tag him, and it seems from what irfan_pak10 says that he will end up with a red profile. Unless he signs a message with the addresses quoted.

For me that when this thread was opened he disappeared, as he didn't publish any post from September 12, 2020, until two days ago. I think now he is trying to come back to the forum as disguising to see if he can make money with the account.

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So someone woke up and ignored you, so you automatically jump to conclusions the account has changed hands.

Is that the sum of your "proof" ??

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on January 11, 2020, 01:14:17 PM

I had a good connection with user alani123 back in 2018-2019 when he disappeared from all the online channels. I tried him everywhere even his WhatsApp but could get any response till now. He was offline from bitcointalk too, Now few days ago I see activity from this account and again tried all the channels but not getting a response. That's why I'm believing the account owner has been changed.

Maybe he is ignoring you. I am sure he owe you money LOL
Frankly speaking, an account can easily change it's hand and the new owner may not have a clue of your previous relation with this account owner.

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Well alani123 has posted / used many addresses https://ninjastic.space/user/id/121796?addresses from years gone by so a signed message from at least one would be a good place to start.

It's a legendary account dating back to 2013 so I can see that either the original owner wanting it back if it's really them.

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