Topic: I caught someone cheating in auction (Read 4269 times)

You are correct, I misread one of your messages... when the scammer asked for your business, you said "Perhaps soon". I've modified my feedback.
I have nothing personal against you except the fact that you are helping out someone that I believe is a scammer.
Based on the positive trades you've had, I'm going to convert it to neutral, but I really don't have a good feeling about you.

Are you serious?  https://i.imgur.com/4CqAz6o.png

What's your deal?  

It's quite clear that you don't have the best intentions of the community at heart.

You're just trying to make this personal.

It's not even close to being a legendary account and I don't even remember if it was Hero at the time.

Furthermore, nowhere did I openly state that I'd continue doing business with him.

You're resorting to lies now to try and embellish your unwarranted accusations?

Blatant trust system abuse IMO.

I'm surprised at some of the reactions here... are you all failing to see that he gave this free account over to a known scammer?

I can vouch that Doge Digital is an upstanding member of the Bitcoin community. I have done a plethora of transactions with him over the past few years and he has always been transparent and honest in these dealings.

I fail to see how he should be "shamed" for giving a forum account away for free during the holiday season to help someone out.

Yea that is my bad. I was looking at the incorrect account.

Either way, unless you can affirmatively confirm that it is not possible that ownership has changed then I don't think it is appropriate to tag someone as being an alt of a scammer. You can check this via the security log as well as addresses that have been posted in the past.

BabbaD aka superSTAR777 is a lowlife scammer who is generally uneducated and is bad at covering his tracks. He won't be able to scam more then $5 at a time. I'll check for more of his alts later today, although both tomatocage and myself have tagged dozens of his alts. I am fairly confident that dogedigital is not BabbaD because I know with decent certainty that he lives in a different part of the world as well as how each of them act.

This is beyond stupid.

First off, there are no rules against buying/selling accounts, of which I didn't even do.  Furthermore there are no rules or even suggested action to mark all accounts that are transferred.

There are however specific guidelines for leaving negative trust which you did not follow.  

This guy (who seems to be a kid) was broke, looking to to be hired for services so that he could work honestly and pay back everybody that he owes (which should be personal information).  

He was asking for anything and asked if he could use a spare account to make some money through signature campaigns.

I was at first a bit uneasy about handing an account over to him and had explicitly warned him not to do anything.  However, I never once had a problem with him on his services when I had ordered graphics from him (when I didn't see any type of accusations made against him) and he made me a what I believed to be a sincere promise not to (which I believe he kept [all his red trust comes from affiliation]).  

If I had reason to believe that he would use the account solely for malicious purposes, I wouldn't have given it to him.

So unless you want to keep the cop charade up and think that I am this person, I ask that you kindly remove your unwarranted negative feedback on my profile.

  

Where am I going wrong?

I have no doubt there are plenty of rich scammers around here, it doesn't mean they are going to stop scamming.
Some of the largest scams I've seen are conducted by accounts that, logically, shouldn't need to scam. But they do.

If you wanted professionalism, you should have publicly stated you were handing an account over to a known scammer.


You stated yourself that you gave this account over to Nauro on December 26/27th.

At that time, Nauro would have been red flagged by many and would have been highly untrusted.
(most of his negative feedback was posted at the beginning of December, and TomatoCage had linked him to other scammers back in January of 2015)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=403195

You helped him out with a fresh account.

Its asinine to hand over an account to someone who is red flagged for scams.
Shame on YOU!

I'd also like to point out the fact that the account kaykawa has red trust only because it is linked to those other alts.

So by marking my account, you are saying that I am all those other accounts as well and yet you claim that you don't see any other proof other than a styling change.

 What exactly led you to believe that I am all those other people?

Honestly, this is absurd.  

You're so quick to tag people without doing any type of due diligence on the matter and then above that you have the audacity to label me as a shady account seller and point blank say that I am a scammer or do business with one?

You're simply trying to play cop and are doing a bad job at it.  

Shame on you ibminer.

I didn't sell the account.  I gave it away.  If it was up to me, all account sales would be banned.

I gave it to 'Supers Sonic' on skype.  Also goes by 'Nauro' on bitcointalk.  He did graphics for me in the past and kept hitting me up for work.  I didn't really want to pay him anything, but he was insistent and it was Christmas time, so I told him he could have my account to make money from signature campaign.  


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It's quite ridiculous that I now have to prove myself from these accusations.  

This was why I wanted my first purchase of the account to be private because I don't want any connections to it after I'm done with it and yet  I have to listen to your condescending 'shady' comments.  

I get that you're trying to 'help' the public.  I just really think it could have been handled much better and with actual professionalism.  

I'm part of 3 people that are trusted with over 1000btc in our possession.  A quick look into myself would have led you to the logical realization that I'd have no reason to involve myself in shady behaviour.  

I sent him a message today on Skype

[8:35:10 AM] Doge Digital: Dude, wtf?  I'm negative trust marked because of the account I gave you
[11:19:58 AM] supers sonic: this is hilarious !
[11:20:01 AM] supers sonic: simply tell them
[11:20:25 AM] Doge Digital: tell them what?
[11:21:24 AM] supers sonic: that u sold account
[11:21:24 AM] supers sonic: and its not against TOS
[11:21:49 AM] supers sonic: if you sell a account and the person who bought scams u dont are responsible
[11:21:54 AM] supers sonic: moreover u didnt sold priv keys
[11:22:03 AM] supers sonic: so no intentions to sell trust
[11:22:09 AM] supers sonic: moreover with kaykawa accunt
[11:22:13 AM] supers sonic: NO SCAM HA BEEN DONE !
[11:22:36 AM] Doge Digital: I'll see how it goes first.  It should be taken care of now.  I'll message if anything goes wrong further
[11:22:49 AM] supers sonic: please can you lin me though
[11:22:51 AM] supers sonic: I want to see
[11:22:59 AM] supers sonic: now what reason those guys generated
[11:23:07 AM] Doge Digital: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15113090
[11:23:13 AM] supers sonic: really some guys there like lutpin , etc and just too much
[11:23:38 AM] supers sonic: u hacked his account ?
[11:23:46 AM] Doge Digital: whos account?  I don't know how to hack lol
[11:23:50 AM] supers sonic: well, u see I took account from you
[11:24:01 AM] supers sonic: he is saying he : Since that day, the account (kaykawa) was out of my control, the new owner was "Dogedigital".
[11:24:09 AM] Doge Digital: oh... no, i bought it from him
[11:24:16 AM] supers sonic: why he saying so then ?
[11:24:28 AM] Doge Digital: He's saying that he's not kaykawa
[11:24:35 AM] Doge Digital: he was saying that I was kaykawa
[11:24:43 AM] Doge Digital: which i was for like 3 months until i gave it to you
[11:24:50 AM] Doge Digital: but since you have red trust
[11:24:55 AM] Doge Digital: they're linking me to it
[11:24:56 AM] supers sonic: well, we can prove this that u sold it
[11:25:01 AM] supers sonic: I have proof !
[11:25:06 AM] supers sonic: how u want to know ?
[11:25:22 AM] supers sonic: a person messaged me that he owns me ( kaykawa account ) some 2 btc as he scammed him
[11:25:27 AM] supers sonic: I said sorry I have bought this accunt now
[11:26:08 AM] supers sonic: what the actual problem sis ?
[11:26:10 AM] supers sonic: is*
[11:26:18 AM] Doge Digital: Just that they think i'm kaykawa
[11:26:19 AM] supers sonic: He is clearly saying that he was the owner
[11:26:24 AM] supers sonic: no
[11:26:28 AM] supers sonic: see this post 1 min
[11:26:40 AM] supers sonic: @Dogedigital, I'm not throwing you to the fire, I quoted "when" i sold the account, and who was the "buyer".
Without that, how can I proove that i did it?.
[11:26:48 AM] supers sonic: looks like kaykawa was his account and got hacked ?
[11:27:32 AM] Doge Digital: no, I was saying that he was accusing me and trying to get people after me instead of him
[11:27:45 AM] supers sonic: ok and main thing
[11:27:48 AM] supers sonic: what wrong kaykawa did
[11:27:51 AM] supers sonic: ?
[11:27:58 AM] supers sonic: why they think kaykawa is scammer man ?
[11:28:22 AM] supers sonic: I mean why they looking who is kaykawa ?
[11:28:30 AM] supers sonic: that account scammed anyone earlier or what ?
[11:29:25 AM] Doge Digital: No
[11:29:34 AM] Doge Digital: Kaykawa has red trust
[11:29:38 AM] Doge Digital: Since they think i'm kaykawa
[11:29:42 AM] supers sonic: ohhh ..
[11:29:44 AM] Doge Digital: someone gave me red trust
[11:29:53 AM] supers sonic: must be lutpin idiot ..
[11:29:59 AM] supers sonic: anyways wait let me think something
[11:31:52 AM] supers sonic: see this
[11:32:04 AM] supers sonic: http://prntscr.com/bdwole
[11:32:25 AM] supers sonic: u can see I told him that I hve bought this account
[11:32:33 AM] supers sonic: so this is obvious, no ? that I have bought it ?
[11:32:50 AM] Doge Digital: i dunno.  just let it be for now i guess.
[11:32:57 AM] Doge Digital: I'll msg you if the guy still doesn't un mark me
[11:33:06 AM] supers sonic: ok
[11:33:14 AM] supers sonic: i am very sorry because of me you get red
[11:33:45 AM] supers sonic: shall I msg ibminer too ?
[11:33:50 AM] supers sonic: or wait til you guide me ?
[11:33:53 AM] Doge Digital: i'd just wait
[11:33:58 AM] Doge Digital: let's see if it corrects itself first
[11:33:59 AM] supers sonic: ok ..
[11:34:05 AM] supers sonic: ohok if not
[11:34:07 AM] supers sonic: I HAVE MANY PROOFS
[11:34:11 AM] supers sonic: we have skype history
[11:34:15 AM] supers sonic: which WE CANNOT CREATE
[11:34:17 AM] supers sonic: right ?
[11:34:20 AM] supers sonic: then we have that messages
[11:34:30 AM] Doge Digital: yea.  should be ok.
[11:34:32 AM] supers sonic: moreover once i remember was asked to sgn message and I fail to ...
[11:34:36 AM] supers sonic: anyways sorry .
[11:36:39 AM] supers sonic: andat last if nothing works , ask a mod to have a ip scan
[11:36:50 AM] supers sonic: clearly ur ip would be different from me .. range too i mean
[11:36:55 AM] supers sonic: anyways bye have to go for now.
[11:37:01 AM] supers sonic: any work for me any design ?
[11:38:25 AM] Doge Digital: Not at this moment.  Perhaps soon though
[11:38:41 AM] supers sonic: thanks, please let me know, I am always keen to design for you.

I like to keep trust issues out in the open so everyone can see what is going on.
Messaging a potential scammer to check with them just tips them off and they could just tell a few lies to delay the feedback for a few days and sell the account before they get tagged.

Everyone on this forum should be aware when accounts change hands. The only proof I have seen at this point shows you as the last owner of the kaykawa account. Outside of a writing style change, I have no reason to believe it switched hands again after you owned it. You unfortunately haven't shown any proof otherwise. If your being honest, who did you give away the account to and do you have any type of proof? 

If there is another person involved as of December, then that person appears to be linked to scammers due to an address posted in January. So are you a scammer, or are you doing business with one?

The fact that you guys all hide these account trades is shady in and of itself. If you want to sell your account, do it publicly so everyone is aware and neutral trust can be left on the account stating it has changed hands.

You are both running into a good reason why you should never sell your accounts.

"It's time to make the right question to him."

Just stop man.  ^ That's what you bolded.  

Why put emphasis on that when you didn't even reach out to me?  You're clearly trying to divert attention away from yourself and on to me.  That's cowardly.  

As I said before, I didn't sell it, I gave it away to a person that did graphics for me.

the new owner was "Dogedigital".
Maybe he sold the account later, or is the guy you are looking for.

Just suppositions

I'm not saying : "He's the guy, crucify him!"

I'm so sorry for this, but this situation is stressful for me, too.

You just need to prove that you sold the account before the scam accusations.
(TX id, sgined message, escrow quote,etc)

Are you joking me? 

"Since that day, the account (kaykawa) was out of my control, the new owner was "Dogedigital".
Maybe he sold the account later, or is the guy you are looking for.

It's time to make the right question to him.


https://i.imgur.com/CEYf3rz.png"

That's your exact quote.  You even went as far as to BOLD my name and the statement to ask me instead when you didn't even have the courtesy or balls to ask me or inform me of what was going on first. 

That's exactly throwing me to the fire. Think before you act.

About shill bidding (1 time in my own auction) and double-dip (BPB thread) with 2 alts, I did it, I'm not saying I didn't.
It was my fault, a big mistake, but i was "new" in the crypto world when i did it. (2014)

We learn of our mistakes, no one is innocent, we have done something wrong/bad in the past, and we are living with it.

And I need to pay JUST for that (I'm open to do a donation to some BTC/Charity entity).

I didn't run a Ponzi, and I'm not related/asociated with the owners of that accounts.

@Dogedigital, I'm not throwing you to the fire, I quoted "when" i sold the account, and who was the "buyer".
Without that, how can I proove that i did it?.

Anyway, you just need to show a signed message or something.

I gave the account away to a user that did graphics for me on Skype.  This was just after Christmas. 

I had the kaykawa account from July 31 (4:23:35PM) - December 26.

You can obviously tell the difference in the way we speak and that the account was used for graphics services (I absolutely suck at drawing).

The 'alts' connected to that account are all Indian based.  I am from Canada.  This is me (bitrated.com/dogedigital).  I am not Kaykawa and have no involvement in that account from Dec 26 onward.

You don't have that right.  That's the worst policy ever.  You explicitly agreed to keep the transaction private.

Especially knowing the nature of sold and transferred accounts, you need to contact me and see what actually happened instead of blindly throwing me to the fire. 

It was confidential until the account was used to scam users with a ponzi.

Then they started associating "kaykawa" account to me.

I was the Owner of Kaykawa account til July 30/2015.
I was the Owner of Betterangels account til Feb 26/2016.

In this case, the escrow/buyer/dates quotes are in my last posts.

I gave the account away several months ago.

Kind of stupid tagging me without asking me about the situation. Especially in something with a previous transaction that was supposed to be kept confidential.

Quite disappointed in alesx.  Next time try to clear things up in a sensible way instead of trying to throw everybody else to the wolves to save your own ass.