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When a player of mine posted this:

I always been payed by this affiliate he honors his word and my win rate on betcoin is higher then any other site. It has the weakest players. I honestly think bet coin is doing a great job and I am very negative about online poker rooms in general.

He immediately quoted a review that he made over 1 year ago in an attempt to shame him.  But that was 1 year ago, so clearly that means his opinion of the poker room has changed.

never mind dont sign up on betcoin. I just talked to their customer service very unprofessional and wont answer your question about if a game freezes in a sng do we get a refund. They siad just send a ticket. Screw them all join seals. Worst customer service I have had on any poker site. And they need customers and i play daily and play poker for a living. They thought i already signed up and had money deposited on the site so decided to be snotty and rude to me.  Great customer support. Dudes name was julian i think. GG. Ty for offer though I appreciate you trying to help out poker community but im not dealing with non professional people.

Hey, what happened to shangerlaa? Did he brain hemmorage? or sell his account?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shangerlaa-482945

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If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.

Thank you for further confirming my doubts that you are shill account of betcoin.ag competitor.   Lips sealed

Just like Lutpin (manager of crypto-games (or more ?) ) , you are deep into conflict of interests here, and it's obvious from your sick engagement in attack
on particulary betcoin.ag and not any other sites using betsoft software that you have your own personal interest in seeing them being hurt.

Who are you two to force me into anything ?
Who are you to bully me and other betcoin.ag signature campaign members with open threats?

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I am here 5 fucking years, and i can tell you people that centralization of this forum never was worse then it is now.
Decentralization forum based on centralized trust rating network, my god. This is exactly what created this atmosphere of company shills that lurk around the
forum dealing with DT to top up their trust and to selectively choose in other people's name who's right and who's wrong, and what you should and should not say.

This is school example of extortion, so stop lying to yourself that you're the good guy here, you're not.

I've played over 10 million hands of poker online. 

Currently I play on the most regulated sites in the world (in New Jersey) and also at a few skins that offer WPN tournaments.

I was a player on Seals with Clubs from the pond and puddle days but barely play there anymore.

Regulated gaming has a restricted potential that sickens me.

The current state of unregulated gaming sickens me.

I am trying to make change, I have no allegiance to any site, only  to the future of Online Poker and Bitcoin.

I've never asked a single person to trust me.

I'm willing to help any online poker player or gambler as best I can, and I have helped many.

I've started a thread to better the future of Bitcoin Poker https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1504778.0;topicseen

I've called out many scummy casinos, not just Betcoin.




hero member
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Telling people what I think is or is not acceptable is my right. Trusting or untrusting someone based on their actions is my right.
just for yourself not for forum. You are not forum, you are a user.

If you don't like what I think or do, then untrust me. 
Please tell me why you cannot do that ? why do you want to advertise your opinion ? just untrust the participants .

anyways, I clearly knew how things were going to be & i quietly got away/silent . So please continue,its none of my problems.
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Shill or not AJ, TwitchySeals has made some pretty valid points with damning evidence and evidence don't lie, unless you want to say that said evidence was fabricated? Calling Lutpin and Twitchy shill of some competitor won't make the evidence go away. Also, how do you account for the fact that some people agree with him, dooglus, blazr, Quickseller, and Aswan to name a few. Edit: I now see that betcoin has moved to a moderated thread.
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If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.

Thank you for further confirming my doubts that you are shill account of betcoin.ag competitor.   Lips sealed

Just like Lutpin (manager of crypto-games (or more ?) ) , you are deep into conflict of interests here, and it's obvious from your sick engagement in attack
on particulary betcoin.ag and not any other sites using betsoft software that you have your own personal interest in seeing them being hurt.

Who are you two to force me into anything ?
Who are you to bully me and other betcoin.ag signature campaign members with open threats?

--

I am here 5 fucking years, and i can tell you people that centralization of this forum never was worse then it is now.
Decentralization forum based on centralized trust rating network, my god. This is exactly what created this atmosphere of company shills that lurk around the
forum dealing with DT to top up their trust and to selectively choose in other people's name who's right and who's wrong, and what you should and should not say.

This is school example of extortion, so stop lying to yourself that you're the good guy here, you're not.
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Xiao, you have a reputation thread to attack me in.  Remember? [Beware] TwitchySeal: Abuses his Rep, replies to his own posts with alts, etc

I'm defending myself there. 
legendary
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You're getting paid to promote an exceptionally scummy site.  

Maybe you are able to fool yourself into thinking it's ok as long as A) you put disclaimer in profile  and B) you haven't looked into the accusations against the site but plan on doing so whenever you don't have more important things to do.

it's all bullshit. when you put the ad in your Sig you drive traffic and increase the reputation of the site. that's why they pay you. duh.

You're setting a bad example as a staff member, sending the message "we don't have to accept responsibility for the decision we make to promote a site (or not promote a site)"

Just because you haven't taken the time to research the situation for yourself doesn't make it ok.

I tried handling this privately but I find your "I won't be able to research this site for a while, but will keep promoting them anyway" attitude unacceptable.

My last pm to you over 24 hours ago got no response so here we are:

It's irresponsible to advertise a business without any due diligence.

Please, stop promoting Betcoin in your signature until you are confident enough to take a stance.  


By your logic, Bitcointalk.org is endorsing every company they've ever allowed to advertise.  Get a grip on reality Twitchy.

Here's how some of my players feel about his posts in my thread yet he continues to spam for malicious reasons, and he's even acknowledged to me he's purposely being malicious and "attacking" me.



Hey guys,

I'm just here to testimony that this RB service has always been reliable and gave me full satisfaction.

It also saddens me to see twichy seals constantly bashing the betcoin site and this service. No doubt numbers of new players have been thrown away by his constant spamming.

@Twichy : when you don't like a company, you go to their competitors. When you're smart, that is. Apparently, you've found nothing better in life than spam the webs and spend all your time on a site you keep bashing. Get a facking life, m0r0n


Just to say that Xiao is a nice affiliate and that I never had any problems neither my sub affiliate (He rakes high values not tiny tiny low as this loosers posting).

Xiao pays the right amount on time and always answers very quickly to any doubt so I dont understand this losers that keep posting.

And yes I check if the value of rake returned is right and it is.

Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.



Wow twitchy and the other trolls have to be some of the biggest dumbest trolls on the internet. Xaio provides a service and provides it very well. He can't do anything about what you are complaining about. He has also shown himself to be of high character with regsrd to the players over and over. I guarantee I've paid more rake to betcoin than anyone here and I don't feel slighted at all. They offer the best rb and xaio is a credit to the players. Continuing to nag him about this is pointless and just makes this thread unbearable.

Yes, why you don't start your own thread instead of filling this thread with garbage.  You clearly have mental problems as many people have stated.  Start your own thread and say whatever you want.



Wow you guys need to leave Xiao the fuck alone, everything about this service is amazing.



Hey guys,

I'm just here to testimony that this RB service has always been reliable and gave me full satisfaction.

It also saddens me to see twichy seals constantly bashing the betcoin site and this service. No doubt numbers of new players have been thrown away by his constant spamming.

@Twichy : when you don't like a company, you go to their competitors. When you're smart, that is. Apparently, you've found nothing better in life than spam the webs and spend all your time on a site you keep bashing. Get a facking life, m0r0n


This +1.

Xiaoxiao has always been great with his service, always paid the right amount in time and responded to queries very quickly and professionally. I dont know why one or two people have made it their purpose of life to bash him and his service all day long, its quite sad to see really. Ive had nothing but good experiences with the OP, he always paid what he promised and on time (which is a LOT more that can be said about most affs) and would absolutely recommend his rakeback for Betcoin.

When a player of mine posted this:

I always been payed by this affiliate he honors his word and my win rate on betcoin is higher then any other site. It has the weakest players. I honestly think bet coin is doing a great job and I am very negative about online poker rooms in general.

He immediately quoted a review that he made over 1 year ago in an attempt to shame him.  But that was 1 year ago, so clearly that means his opinion of the poker room has changed.

never mind dont sign up on betcoin. I just talked to their customer service very unprofessional and wont answer your question about if a game freezes in a sng do we get a refund. They siad just send a ticket. Screw them all join seals. Worst customer service I have had on any poker site. And they need customers and i play daily and play poker for a living. They thought i already signed up and had money deposited on the site so decided to be snotty and rude to me.  Great customer support. Dudes name was julian i think. GG. Ty for offer though I appreciate you trying to help out poker community but im not dealing with non professional people.


And also another example of Twitchy attacking my players.  When one of my players made this comment in the SWC thread, a totally valid comment:


I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

Twitchy sarcastically assumed he was "shilly" and then used one of his alternates/co-conspirator to give him a bad feedback, the same alternate he used to give me a bad feedback after he already gave me a malicious false feedback awhile ago.



excellent point, not shilly at all







Some more of my players telling him to stop spamming my service thread and their opinions of him:

Xiao, I thought you weren't going to respond to Twitchy anymore. There's no point in arguing with this guy. Not many regs like him either cause he takes up all of supports time when we're the ones that need help....



Can you be a little less cryptic for once and explain what you mean? We aren't all off our meds and we don't all speak spergs so please specify what you mean by shorting people rakeback.

If he has Asperger's or any other mental disability, he shouldn't be in the position he's in, cause his hit or miss tactics of calling out people and businesses could really hurt someone.  His obnoxiousness and mental instability pretty much outweighs his "scam alerts."  

There's more players who've spoken out about him, and people have said stuff to me in private about him which I won't post, but the reason he started to upset me was not because of his issues with Betcoin and Betsoft.  I personally believe Betsoft was incredibly unethical in the way they handled the Jasonort situation.  But he continues to attack my rakeback program by spamming the Betsoft issue and bringing up old poker room issues (that he had gotten wrong anyway).


Some evidence of Twitchy having alternates:




No, I'm leaning towards the fact that he is your alternate.  His claims are nearly identical to yours.  He supports all your posts, but either way it doesn't matter.  You've called out BtcFTW and NooBTC or something like that for doing the same thing.  Yet you do the exact same thing.

Latest posts of Cryptosmoker: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptosmoker-511427

Someone that works as hard as Twitchy in his investigations but hasn't logged in for 3 days now?  I can't imagine someone that is like a clone of Twitchy but hasn't logged into the forums for 3 days now.









His actions aren't any better than the recipients of his accusations.  He abuses the little power that he's gained from sitting at the computer nearly 24/7 and calling out businesses with his hit or miss tactics.  

He clearly knew that the CardsChat review of Betcoin Poker had already been removed, but he continued posting it everywhere as if it was still valid.  Anyone with common sense could see that that review was virtually gibberish.



He infers that the reason it was removed was because Betcoin bribed them, but he's got absolutely no proof.  And even if Betcoin did bribe them, that just means he's posting the review of a company that accepts bribes as if it has merit.

He assumes that just because some players are outraged at him, it is the work of Betcoin.  That is not true, the reason I began noticing him was because he continued to spam my thread, and lately with casino related issues that has nothing to do with my rakeback service nor the poker room.

PS: There's a lot more cases in the past where Twitchy had been adamant that he's correct and it turned out that his assumption was wrong.  
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Signature campaigns give sites credibility.  So does advertising on this forum through paid ads.  The fact that Theymos denied Betcoin.ag from advertising on this forum is totally relevant information that should be considered when making your own opinion on the situation.  But in the end, we each have our own opinion of the situation and have the right to leave whatever trust we see fit.

Just a small point. Theymos did not accept ads from bitmixer. But Bitmixer's signature campaign is alive and kicking.
The forum did carry ads of Bitcoin Black Friday, which turned out to be a scam.
So we shouldn't be linking everything to the forum's ad policy.

Exactly. What theymos does is his call, not mine & not anybody Else's. Someone is a fan of him ? sure follow him but don't censor others to do it too.

Fortune jack openly lied about their video contest & didn't payed the 50+ btc bonuses but nobody has problems with them. Their campaign runs smoothly too.

'Extorting participants & saying what is acceptable and what is not' is not your right.What duties do you fulfill so you get the rights to say me what is wrong or what is acceptable ? do u pay my taxes ? do u pay my rent ? do u pay forum bills ? do u pay forum taxes ? do you come and speak in the court for me ? updating that fucking signature thread are your Duties ? are you even fucking serious ?


Telling people what I think is or is not acceptable is my right. Trusting or untrusting someone based on their actions is my right.

If you don't like what I think or do, then untrust me. 

 Same with Luptin.

Just because more people trust Luptin than me doesn't mean you have to or that he has any more rights than me.

Lutpin could of easily just neg repped all of them immediately.  I suspect (not speaking for him) he didn't because he doesn't want to create drama.

 Do you have any relevant questions?

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People who have promoted ponzis in their signature have received negative trust in the past...
I doubt if a disclaimer like this would have worked.

Even people who have never promoted ponzi received negative trust in the past...
I'm among them...
now it is ptoven that my site were never a ponzi...
but my red trust is always here...and the red trusters are disappeared...
so is life...what can you do against?
Nothing...
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Signature campaigns give sites credibility.  So does advertising on this forum through paid ads.  The fact that Theymos denied Betcoin.ag from advertising on this forum is totally relevant information that should be considered when making your own opinion on the situation.  But in the end, we each have our own opinion of the situation and have the right to leave whatever trust we see fit.

Just a small point. Theymos did not accept ads from bitmixer. But Bitmixer's signature campaign is alive and kicking.
The forum did carry ads of Bitcoin Black Friday, which turned out to be a scam.
So we shouldn't be linking everything to the forum's ad policy.

Exactly. What theymos does is his call, not mine & not anybody Else's. Someone is a fan of him ? sure follow him but don't censor others to do it too.

Fortune jack openly lied about their video contest & didn't payed the 50+ btc bonuses but nobody has problems with them. Their campaign runs smoothly too.

'Extorting participants & saying what is acceptable and what is not' is not your right.What duties do you fulfill so you get the rights to say me what is wrong or what is acceptable ? do u pay my taxes ? do u pay my rent ? do u pay forum bills ? do u pay forum taxes ? do you come and speak in the court for me ? updating that fucking signature thread are your Duties ? are you even fucking serious ?

legendary
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Signature campaigns give sites credibility.  So does advertising on this forum through paid ads.  The fact that Theymos denied Betcoin.ag from advertising on this forum is totally relevant information that should be considered when making your own opinion on the situation.  But in the end, we each have our own opinion of the situation and have the right to leave whatever trust we see fit.

Just a small point. Theymos did not accept ads from bitmixer. But Bitmixer's signature campaign is alive and kicking.
The forum did carry ads of Bitcoin Black Friday, which turned out to be a scam.
So we shouldn't be linking everything to the forum's ad policy.
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Edit: I'm just wondering why how this is about the forum at all
Correct. Nobody other then theymos has rights to say what is acceptable or not . The signature campaign & casino is their service & as clearly stated by the admin the forum doesn't has any TOS on how to.

If some idiot thinks that theymos is not advertising them & hence it is not acceptable on forum then its obvious that his senseless brain is not able to understand anything of logic. Theymos could actually waste all the ad spots, it's his call.

The negative rating is because you think the person is shady etc etc.. not just because u think it is unacceptable on forum llol lol lol.You are definitely not the one to decide that.

as we all have seen blazed was enjoying the drama & the only solution to ajareselde or participants problem is by making an appeal to remove the person from Default.


Users should be held responsible for who they choose to advertise on this forum.  

Thats the point I'm trying to make in this thread.

Signature campaigns give sites credibility.  So does advertising on this forum through paid ads.  The fact that Theymos denied Betcoin.ag from advertising on this forum is totally relevant information that should be considered when making your own opinion on the situation.  But in the end, we each have our own opinion of the situation and have the right to leave whatever trust we see fit.

Personally I don't think "I don't know enough about the site thats paying me to advertise for them to decide whether or not they are trustworthy" is a valid defense for advertising a questionable site.

If anyone has a problem with Lutpin, please research Betcoin.ag before jumping to the conclusion that he's just being a bully here for his own enjoyment.  Betcoin.ag has refused to address numerous serious issues for over a year now. For the past 9 months they have usedtheir signature campaign to create the illusion that they are transparent and willing to answer any and all questions.  When, in reality, they are ignoring many of the real players on their site.

If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.
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Edit: I'm just wondering why how this is about the forum at all
Correct. Nobody other then theymos has rights to say what is acceptable or not . The signature campaign & casino is their service & as clearly stated by the admin the forum doesn't has any TOS on how to.

If some idiot thinks that theymos is not advertising them & hence it is not acceptable on forum then its obvious that his senseless brain is not able to understand anything of logic. Theymos could actually waste all the ad spots, it's his call.

The negative rating is because you think the person is shady etc etc.. not just because u think it is unacceptable on forum llol lol lol.You are definitely not the one to decide that.

as we all have seen blazed was enjoying the drama & the only solution to ajareselde or participants problem is by making an appeal to remove the person from Default.
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Funny to see how staff member can be bullied out of wearing a signature. And all this done by people from competing casinos in efforts to eliminate competition.



Jason's case with jackpot was settled, and he was paid and satisfied, atleast until he wanted more money..

Prove it, Twitchy may have a signature on his profile, but that's not even related to gambling. The accusations made by TwitchySeal against Betcoin has been supplemented with evidence to my satisfaction. Edit: I'm just wondering why how this is about the forum at all(this is me assumign what meta is about.) Edit2: sorry for the amounts of edits I did to this post. Edit3: Also, the second part's redundant considering that's the money that he was supposed to be owed for winning the jackpot.
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so he has become a thug on here now ? and he decides what is acceptable on forum ?

In many countries, terms of service are not legally binding. Traders can figure out their own legal risks. The forum will not enforce terms of service.

Open a petition in Reputation. Remember you need support , you alone shouting is a waste of time. Convince all the participants.

That's why you don't give gun's to little one's cause their 2 inch cock gets erect too often.

I have no clue what you are trying to say because you are mixing horrible metaphors, but I wouldn't count on theymos supporting Betcoin anytime soon.

5 @ 0.9

Sorry, but you currently have negative trust from my perspective, so I will not accept your bid.
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so he has become a thug on here now ? and he decides what is acceptable on forum ?

In many countries, terms of service are not legally binding. Traders can figure out their own legal risks. The forum will not enforce terms of service.

Open a petition in Reputation. Remember you need support , you alone shouting is a waste of time. Convince all the participants.

That's why you don't give gun's to little one's cause their 2 inch cock gets erect too often.
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Funny to see how staff member can be bullied out of wearing a signature. And all this done by people from competing casinos in efforts to eliminate competition.



Jason's case with jackpot was settled, and he was paid and satisfied, atleast until he wanted more money..


I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.





One would think that would be the end of it, but no, people have realised that they can exploit this situation and reroute traffic from betcoin.ag to them.
That's when more of opened threats started happening :

STAGE 9 SPECIAL BONUS
It's a pleasure to announce that Lutpin has a special bonus for everyone who will participate during the Stage 9
of Betcoin.ag Signature Campaign.

No worries, I will inform them why they can wear this signature. It will be better if you will do your crusade in other place. Please.
Let me then inform you that, starting the end of this month, after all of you guys are being paid by betcoin.ag, I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag
I have nothing against any of you participants, that's the reason why I will wait with this till after your payround, but advertising betcoin.ag in their current state should not be anything acceptable on this forum.
Exception of previous STAGE
You have not to wait the end of the stage to receive your bonus.
WANT TO JOIN?



STAGE 10 SPECIAL BONUS

It's a pleasure to announce that Lutpin has a special bonus for everyone who will participate during the Stage 10
of Betcoin.ag Signature Campaign.
A nice, shiny -VE Trust rating
The trust rating runs all day, everyday, and can be seen by anyone using Depth 2+ on bitcointalk!

Let me then inform you that, starting end of the month, after all of you guys are being paid by betcoin.ag, I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag
I have nothing against any of you participants, that's the reason why I will wait with this till after your payround, but advertising betcoin.ag in their current state should not be anything acceptable on this forum.


It's more than obvious that Lutpin, a crypto-games manager is abusing the position on DT, not to mention morale of conflict of interests in this case.

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Addressing a complaint that you are advertising what someone believes to be a scam should be your number one priority, and should take priority over anything else in your backlog of things to get done.
No, it shouldn't. The service in question would be negatively rated if it was a clear scam and that was not the case at the time (which is what I checked while entering, and after getting the PM). If I kept prioritizing things every time I got a message from a random member, I wouldn't have time to do anything.
You should not rely on other people leaving negative trust when deciding to advertise for a company. It is ultimately your moral responsibility if someone were to get scammed as a result of you advertising for such company. If you are unable, or unwilling to research a concern that you are advertising a scam on an expedited basis, or if you are unwilling to research the legitimacy of a company prior to advertising for them, then your workload should either be significantly reduced or terminated.

Betcoin also did have numerous negative ratings from multiple users several months prior to last week, all with references. I don't think it would be difficult to look into them and reasonable conclude that betcoin.ag is a very shady site.

There is no reason to make an example out of Lauda (although it appears that is what she wants currently), nor anyone else for that matter.
If you are not going to look into claims of the site you are advertising for ~4 months then it should be safe to say that you are not going to look into it at all!
How about you stop talking nonsense? I've joined Betcoin 6 days ago.
You were aware of accusations against BetCoin months ago, but between then and now you have not had a chance to look into them being legitimate prior to you starting to advertise for them.
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Stop cramping Lauda's style. Roll Eyes
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IF anyone will show me any not fabricated proof I will be no longer the Betcoin.ag Campaign Manager and also I will remove my sig.


What about when Betcoin overraked their players on ALL cash game tables for a long period of time?  And then refused to refund anyone for months and finally relented and said they would refund players if they showed absolute proof that they were overraked (when they could very easily run a database parse to look for how much everyone was overraked), but they would take money AWAY from the players if they determined that the player's "benefited" from Betcoin overraking them.  They made this announcement OVER three months after the period where they stole the money from players and of course would only consider refunding players that they stole from if the player reached out and contacted them.

So they stole money, and after three months of harassment said they would refund the stolen money IF a player saw their post about it (which was immediately buried with other self promotion), and of course they threatened to take MORE money if any player asked for their money back.  This in no way shape of form can be considered anything other than a scam.  You can read about this situation in more detail in Twitchy's Scam Accusation thread or the main Betcoin thread, although this took place over a period of 5 months so I'm shocked you don't know about it.

I feel like because of what you said, it's fair to assume that you will be stepping down as the Campaign Manager within a day, right?  Gotta stick to your word.  If you don't, I think it's fair for people to neg rep you since it's obvious that you can't be trusted, right?
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