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Quote from: Maxre on March 18, 2023, 01:41:46 PM

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I don't think it's right to blame them all the same, but I have some doubts about money laundering for some of the very rich. I don't know, maybe I think this way because I'm jealous of their success, or some of the movies I watched may have influenced me and my thoughts, but I've never had the opportunity to see any of them up close and I haven't witnessed how they spend their day. So my thoughts on this subject are actually quite a worthless pile. :)

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I didn't know about this story but that makes sense nowadays in capitalism world. Gambling industry is all about house edge factor that must be used to make profit for the casino owners but not every casino is capable of doing same turnover each year. The only dark secret I know is house edge that makes millions of dollars every year for casino owners, otherwise, it is not different than regular business model. Dark secret for gamblers is to improve gambling strategy for decreasing house edge in the long term, IMO.

But we know that there's no such gambling strategy on which it could really make you do able to lessen up that HE on which you are trying to lessen out which rather it would be going into the opposite
side rather, we do know that you would eventually be losing even more when you are doing gambling for longer runs or as much as you could.We cant really be able to point out some fingers in speaking about
dark secrets or whatsoever.As long they arent that get caught then for sure business would continue, we cant even be sure if they are really doing something or just running
off the business typically on those common ways and methods.

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Quote from: harapan on March 20, 2023, 03:49:55 PM

Quote from: Maxre on March 18, 2023, 01:41:46 PM

Today I was reading some most successful businessman and other such successful people that are millionaires and also billionaires like Bill gate, Mark Zuckerberg and Other Gamblers that became millionaires because of betting.
My point is that Normal people see only their Success but they do not know that How much dark secrets are behind this.
I want to tell you a story of Successful Businessman in country who is Real Estate businessman and Rich people love to Invest in their housing Schemes. But He Gets access to most valuable land whom he gets it by hook or crook. My mean he Is partially a landlord and he has Done high damage to the poor people and they have lost their homes.
And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

Calling it "dark secrets" makes it sound a little too far. I know that a lot of big corporations have shady dealings but not "every successful business" What most of these big business is do in find loopholes in the laws and exploit them. This is why you can find a company that does business in an unethical way but in the eyes of the law they're not committing any crime. There are things that are not illegal but they're not also ethical.
However i have refused to believe that every successful business is dirty. You can be a successful business that have steps on some toes and hurt a few people in the course of doing business but that does not make you dirty.

Why do we consider successful business men as not humans? They are humans and everybody has done something shady to keep their hands clean. Not to talk of those with power and wealth, who have alot of reasons to remain at the top. They face multiple challenges everytime and it's rare to find an industry that doesn't have dark histories. For instance, the Hollywood industry had some rough times before the second worldwar, relating to the Union, the likes of Bioff, and mafians; deceits, betrayals and cheating. So, since an average man has a bad side, the rich would also own theirs. Nobody is an exception, but people should learn to mind their business. Perfection can't be achieved on Earth. Black and White has a lot in common such that we can't do without them in our daily activities.

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Quote from: Maxre on March 18, 2023, 01:41:46 PM

Today I was reading some most successful businessman and other such successful people that are millionaires and also billionaires like Bill gate, Mark Zuckerberg and Other Gamblers that became millionaires because of betting.
My point is that Normal people see only their Success but they do not know that How much dark secrets are behind this.
I want to tell you a story of Successful Businessman in country who is Real Estate businessman and Rich people love to Invest in their housing Schemes. But He Gets access to most valuable land whom he gets it by hook or crook. My mean he Is partially a landlord and he has Done high damage to the poor people and they have lost their homes.
And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

Calling it "dark secrets" makes it sound a little too far. I know that a lot of big corporations have shady dealings but not "every successful business" What most of these big business is do in find loopholes in the laws and exploit them. This is why you can find a company that does business in an unethical way but in the eyes of the law they're not committing any crime. There are things that are not illegal but they're not also ethical.
However i have refused to believe that every successful business is dirty. You can be a successful business that have steps on some toes and hurt a few people in the course of doing business but that does not make you dirty.

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Quote from: Maxre on March 18, 2023, 01:41:46 PM

Today I was reading some most successful businessman and other such successful people that are millionaires and also billionaires like Bill gate, Mark Zuckerberg and Other Gamblers that became millionaires because of betting.
My point is that Normal people see only their Success but they do not know that How much dark secrets are behind this.
I want to tell you a story of Successful Businessman in country who is Real Estate businessman and Rich people love to Invest in their housing Schemes. But He Gets access to most valuable land whom he gets it by hook or crook. My mean he Is partially a landlord and he has Done high damage to the poor people and they have lost their homes.
And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

You are jumping all over the place and don't seem to have much clue about your point. You seem to have confused risk taking by the people you name with gambling, however it is a trait that entrepreneurs have and need to go through in order to succeed. Most successful people are successful purely because they persevere, they identify and accept failures when they happen and move on to the next idea or tweak the original one that failed. Land barons do not fall into the same category, often they get such possessions handed down and they do no productive work for the rent that they seek - it's an entirely different class and should be shunned as they are leaches on society.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 20, 2023, 12:13:39 AM

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You mean like in gambling it's a dark secret that there are losers and winners? I have idea about the other dark secrets that do happen in physical casinos where you'll just get to see it there once you're already there. And it's funny that these days, these videos on socials have been popping on my feed and showing those dark secrets which are no longer secret anymore as it becomes a norm. Well, that's it, it could be dark secrets for the new ones that have just found it out but it's not actually hidden thing these days.

I think what is meant by this dark secret is about how a business owner can get such a fortune that he can run his casino or what is behind the casino entrepreneur so that he can grow his business so big because we know that competition in the gambling business in cities regulations that allow gambling is very strict. Hence, it is not easy for business owners to develop their gambling business.

But I believe that every business owner must have dark secrets that he keeps for himself or those who are close to him. And we also don't have to try to find out and it's best to let it be their dark secret.

Well, that's for sure and that's why those honest business people that are into this industry have come through thick and thin until they've reached their destination of being successful.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 20, 2023, 12:13:39 AM

We better play gambling and just enjoy it.

Yeah, let's just do our thing and enjoy what's in front of us as we gamble. While them, if they've got some dark secrets, let them uncover it and if they'll keep on doing it, it's up to them since it's their business and we just only mind ours.

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Quote from: Maxre on March 18, 2023, 01:41:46 PM

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And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

To be frankly speaking, I will say that there is no short cut to success and same does that apply to gambling too, because if you could read the stories of world richest men, you will come to find that they all followed the rules to wealth creation, consistent and had faith in the process, and kept pushing despite in most difficult times, and today they are celebrated all around the world for believing in themselves. (I.e Bill Gate, Richard Brandson, Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, & Jeff Bezos)
So in conclusion, if you want to be a successful businessman, you need to learn the rules of success, power of communication & investment, as those are the most vital tool when it comes to wealth creation.

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Well it is true and I think most of us are aware of it, I mean some success came from dark secrets.
But we couldn't say that all of those success have dark secret or stories some might be a result from their hard work and high understanding on how business should be handle.
Not everyone needs those kind of connection in order to succeed.

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Quote from: Maxre on March 18, 2023, 01:41:46 PM

Today I was reading some most successful businessman and other such successful people that are millionaires and also billionaires like Bill gate, Mark Zuckerberg and Other Gamblers that became millionaires because of betting.
My point is that Normal people see only their Success but they do not know that How much dark secrets are behind this.
I want to tell you a story of Successful Businessman in country who is Real Estate businessman and Rich people love to Invest in their housing Schemes. But He Gets access to most valuable land whom he gets it by hook or crook. My mean he Is partially a landlord and he has Done high damage to the poor people and they have lost their homes.
And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

Not every businessman is bad nor every business person is good too. It varies from person to person and you cannot give the same opinion about everyone.

I disagree with your point of view that every Successful businessman has dark history or secret. There are many successful businesses that are running honestly and they have a clean past. Remember that for success you do not need to be a cheater, but if you are a hard worker and honest, success will follow you.

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Quote from: Maxre on March 18, 2023, 01:41:46 PM

My point is that Normal people see only their Success but they do not know that How much dark secrets are behind this.
I want to tell you a story of Successful Businessman in country who is Real Estate businessman and Rich people love to Invest in their housing Schemes. But He Gets access to most valuable land whom he gets it by hook or crook. My mean he Is partially a landlord and he has Done high damage to the poor people and they have lost their homes.
And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

I think that even those investors know that the company is doing illegal things only to earn big money, they won't still stop investing at it because what is important for them is they are earning. They only care about their selves and not the others. Okay, maybe not all of them but I bet almost 90 percent of them are like that. You are right OP, there must be dark secrets in every successful or even on failed business.

It's only unfortunate that we can not identify and accuse those company directly. Even if we do, do we think we can win on them? They are too big. This is why many people just mind their own business only to stay out of trouble.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 19, 2023, 08:23:34 PM

You can call it mystical because that is what some people believe it to be, but to me, it's just a bit of false logic. I find it difficult to believe such stories. Dark secrets bullshit. All I know is that most successful men have some hidden tips and stories about their success. Let's just take for instance the movie I watched, where two staffers who were working in the same office, but one was buying shares in an oil company without telling his college about his investment, got to a point where he became the number one shareholder of that company, and when his money was ripe, he bought the company where he was working and became the boss to his college. These are just things that successful people do; they would not tell you everything, and they always have something they are not saying that makes their success grow, but not dark secrets.

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Yes, in fact there are still many people who believe in this, even though they don't know what someone actually does to make them successful and have a lot of money. After all, in this day and age there are so many things that don't need to be seen as work to earn money.
In my own environment, they still think that someone who works must sweat or must be seen what he is doing, for example, when he goes to and from work. And if there are people who don't look like they are working but have a lot of money they will associate it with negative things, I can only smile when there are people who do have that mindset.

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Perhaps not all successful businesses have dark secrets of their own. Big business empires, on the other hand, probably have dark secrets. You gave us the example of a real estate company and stated that poor people lost their homes. Did the poor people who sold their land to the real estate tycoon not make enough money? Or were the officials of the government unable to assist them because they were forced to sell their lands at a very low price? And if the poor people live in slums and did not own the land, the land owner has the right to sell it, forcing them out of their homes. These slums were aware that they were illegally settling in the area and will be evacuated at any time.

Gambling is a form of entertainment, just like going to a circus show or beer house, where you pay for the services and goods. It just so happens that gambling also offers the opportunity to win. This is not a big deal because we all need to know our limits on gambling and to anything else, too much without control is always bad.

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Especially if corrupt officials own the casino business, he will surely seek the protection of corrupt officials of a higher rank with a record of paying bribes every month. So every casino owner will hide their dark secret from the public and keep it away as if their business is legal.

I am thinking of players on this one. It's not just all about the owners that are doing dark secrets within their business premises but also the players that have been using the gambling industry with whatever they're doing. And one of the activities that can be said of being a dark secret for players is money laundering. Although this isn't limited to them because even owners can do this. But generally speaking, this is one of the most known activities that one can do and hide from the public. But if it's being hidden from the public, it means that they're involved with some illegal activities inside and outside the casinos.

One thing certain about money is that, getting it is not easy, and for many, it is what rules their world, this is why we see alot of people out there desperate to make money, those who have the heart and mind have gone diabolical, while others have gone into illegal stuffs, this are two different ends of the same rope.
Gambling in itself is an industry filled with lots of crimes, this is one of the reasons why most of our fathers consider a gambler as a criminal in majority of our societies, and this is also the reason why gamblers are stigmatized in the society..

In an industry where majority are into one crime or the other, it is hard for those who play legit to not drone in the water, and if they eventually survive, their business always stand the test of time.

Yeah, that belief stays there and it will never be gone. That's why anything that can be thought connected to gambling and illegal activities are things that can't be changed and that's already in the minds of our fathers thinking that if we gamble, it's assumed that we're also doing the same thing even if we're not engaged with those. We can't blame them as the past generations have been acting like that and those activities really were happening so, that thinking is hard to erase even if we tell them that we're not like that and we're just simple gamblers that want to have fun and at least earn some and win some. Especially today with modern technology, gambling online is probably one of the things that the old generation don't want to engage with because effects of it are just the same on their thoughts.

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It's common in third world countries that the government's agents have a very intimate relationship with powerful businessmen from different sectors, therefore, they have additional advantages and benefits inside the nation other businessmen and common citizens don't have. Consequently, they get even more richer, while others struggle to maintain their currently status or even go bankrupt.

Such advantages are a bargain, which doesn't come without counterpart. Businessmen show their "gratitude" by supporting the respective political parties and candidates in order to maintain the system of reciprocal favours.

However, with internet and social media nowadays, which bring everyone from every corners of the world closer, I see it's not an exclusive issue faced in third world countries, but also inside the powerful nations of the world, such as USA and european countries.

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Quote from: blockman on March 20, 2023, 11:06:01 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 20, 2023, 10:11:12 AM

Especially if corrupt officials own the casino business, he will surely seek the protection of corrupt officials of a higher rank with a record of paying bribes every month. So every casino owner will hide their dark secret from the public and keep it away as if their business is legal.

I am thinking of players on this one. It's not just all about the owners that are doing dark secrets within their business premises but also the players that have been using the gambling industry with whatever they're doing. And one of the activities that can be said of being a dark secret for players is money laundering. Although this isn't limited to them because even owners can do this. But generally speaking, this is one of the most known activities that one can do and hide from the public. But if it's being hidden from the public, it means that they're involved with some illegal activities inside and outside the casinos.

One thing certain about money is that, getting it is not easy, and for many, it is what rules their world, this is why we see alot of people out there desperate to make money, those who have the heart and mind have gone diabolical, while others have gone into illegal stuffs, this are two different ends of the same rope.
Gambling in itself is an industry filled with lots of crimes, this is one of the reasons why most of our fathers consider a gambler as a criminal in majority of our societies, and this is also the reason why gamblers are stigmatized in the society..

In an industry where majority are into one crime or the other, it is hard for those who play legit to not drone in the water, and if they eventually survive, their business always stand the test of time.

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Quote from: maydna on March 20, 2023, 10:11:12 AM

Especially if corrupt officials own the casino business, he will surely seek the protection of corrupt officials of a higher rank with a record of paying bribes every month. So every casino owner will hide their dark secret from the public and keep it away as if their business is legal.

I am thinking of players on this one. It's not just all about the owners that are doing dark secrets within their business premises but also the players that have been using the gambling industry with whatever they're doing. And one of the activities that can be said of being a dark secret for players is money laundering. Although this isn't limited to them because even owners can do this. But generally speaking, this is one of the most known activities that one can do and hide from the public. But if it's being hidden from the public, it means that they're involved with some illegal activities inside and outside the casinos.

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So, luck plays a very good role in business, but before the luck can shine on you, you must have done your part in terms of the capital, human resources, marketing and managerial aspect amongst others.

What do you mean luck plays a role in doing business?
In the business world there is no such thing as luck, what is there is a strong will and intention because determination and intention are factors for success in running a business not only in the gambling business but also in other businesses.
What's more, the gambling business really requires persistence in developing it because it requires a lot of funds as well as a big responsibility where every team or casino owner must be able to work together to build a better casino.
The average businessman is someone who has tasted the bitterness of the industrial world because then they have quite a lot of experience and can dare to make decisions and take risks in building every business they run.

This is not the first place I had mentioned luck and grace as part of the factors that maketh success, some do agree with me, while a few as you disagree. Regardless of who is right between us, let me ask you just a few simple questions.

Haven't you seen people in an interview that claimed they made it in an unexplainable way, that they just tried their luck?
Haven't you seen people in the same line of business and with even more effort but couldn't make it like a few that are lucky to make it?
Haven't you seen a once-wealthy person that later became broke? Does it mean the person doesn't know how to do it right again?
Haven't you seen a single contract (merited or unmerited) changing statuses/business where the person doesn't have any connection, and that becomes his turning point?

I can continue giving you instances...

Efforts are so crucial to success but I put it to you today, it's not enough, many wouldn't have been successful or maintained their success if not for luck and grace at work.

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We all know that some rich people had to deal in shady business dealings to come out at the top. I know of legit businesses that had to pay bribes to government officials to get large government tenders... but they have to do that, because that is the way that the world is changing.

You will also find that some online casinos are only a front for criminal cartels to launder money. They stay small and operate under the radar, but they are pushing a lot of dirty money through those casinos. Roll Eyes

There's no clean business if is being managed by a corrupt individual, even charity organization in my country are being accused of corruption and they are just using this foundation to avoid paying huge taxes, so basically every businesses have their own dark story so that they can stay in this market full of challenges. In gambling, I expect more and yes laundering are also possible even if they follow the regulations I think some site are still not afraid on doing this, because they can own more by doing this.

So we shouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there are businesses that are managed to launder money, especially if it turns out to be a casino business owned by an official. And it is an open secret where one business pays bribes to local officials to ensure that their business gets protection from these officials.

Especially if corrupt officials own the casino business, he will surely seek the protection of corrupt officials of a higher rank with a record of paying bribes every month. So every casino owner will hide their dark secret from the public and keep it away as if their business is legal.

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Quote from: Maxre on March 18, 2023, 01:41:46 PM

I want to tell you a story of Successful Businessman in country who is Real Estate businessman and Rich people love to Invest in their housing Schemes. But He Gets access to most valuable land whom he gets it by hook or crook. My mean he Is partially a landlord and he has Done high damage to the poor people and they have lost their homes.
And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

It's a bit hard to follow your story, what has real estate investing to do with gambling? I don't think that every business has a dark secret behind it. Just because there are some bad apples doesn't mean the tree is bad. Gambling is not a successful business model for the customer, only for the casino operators. If you don't have any many the chances of becoming rich through gambling is slim. Which doesn't mean it's not going to happen, just the number of people losing money is much larger.

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It is commonly and often believed that every gambling casino has there own hidden secrets behind the success of their casino which in the same way serves as their major reason behind the drive they experience as a result, not everything has to be clearly visible to everyone gamblers concerning how they thrive thier ways towards the part of success because they also pay the price for achieving they result they're having.

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