I was offered $550 to say that "Ripple is a Scam." - page 4.

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Quote from: CanadianGuy on May 22, 2013, 11:52:07 AM

Normally I would feel some resentment towards someone who works so hard to bash a competitor, but come on, this is bitcointalk.org
I think it's more of a disgrace that Ripple is using a BITCOIN forum to advertise themselves.
If we were on a microsoft forum full of people who have a vested interest in microsoft products, do you think spam about the benefits of Apple would go over good?
I think it's a matter of maintaining positive image for bitcoin and anyone has the freedom to do so IMO, whether there is money involved or not Cool

This is a bitcoin forum full of people with a large interest in the bitcoin

Another month old account with a passionate opinion. Okay, so you think this forum should only be able to communicate about bitcoin? Then why do we let alt currencies, namecoin, bitcoin exchanges, open transactions, colored coins, etc be discussed?

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Normally I would feel some resentment towards someone who works so hard to bash a competitor, but come on, this is bitcointalk.org
I think it's more of a disgrace that Ripple is using a BITCOIN forum to advertise themselves.
If we were on a microsoft forum full of people who have a vested interest in microsoft products, do you think spam about the benefits of Apple would go over good?
I think it's a matter of maintaining positive image for bitcoin and anyone has the freedom to do so IMO, whether there is money involved or not Cool

This is a bitcoin forum full of people with a large interest in the bitcoin

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Bitcoin is new, makes sense to hodl.

I can say Bitcoin is scam too for 10000 ripples.

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Quote from: justusranvier on May 22, 2013, 11:36:47 AM

I feel left out in that I'm not able to muster any enthusiasm for an extreme opinion on Ripple one way or the other. I don't think it's a scam, and I also don't think it's going to be useful outside a narrow problem space. I don't have anything personal against the OpenCoin developers and I think their business model is unlikely to succeed.

Be careful! You're being rational and that's dangerous around here with all the cultists.

Quote from: wormbog on May 22, 2013, 11:38:59 AM

My guess: he has a fat wallet full of btc and he fears the success of Ripple will lead to the devaluation of bitcoin.

It's funny you say that, because when I see a cultist leader in bitcoin preaching about how it will crush Japan like Godzilla, fly faster than a speeding bullet and be able to destroy governments, I wonder if they're just saying what hopeful idiots want to hear while they laugh at how much money they're making as cult leaders.

(I mean, come on, isn't it odd how we have a meme called "Bitcoiners not affected" and yet we still use centralized exchanges that can bring bitcoin to a halt for a day, disturbing business and livelihood of people from a simple DDoS?)

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 22, 2013, 11:19:14 AM

Quote from: wormbog on May 22, 2013, 11:17:28 AM

Ripple may not intend to be a scam, but they way they act sure makes it look that way. Promising to deal with key elements of their system at some unspecified later time (open sourcing the codebase, explaining their fair distribution system for XRP) is suspicious. And the trust system at the heart of Ripple is ridiculous. Ripple says the current system of banks and credit requires the same kind of trust, but I don't trust banks at all. I trust that I will have legal recourse through the court system if a bank decides to not pay back my deposits. I don't want to have to trust everyone I transact with, and with bitcoin I don't have to.

Couldn't agree with your points more. It seems these points would be obvious enough to anyone who thinks this way to simply not use Ripple until they resolve these issues. What the manipulation attempts then? Is it just a product of a group of angst-ridden teenagers who got rich from bitcoin?

Either TradeFortress stands to make some financial gain from the failure of Ripple, or he has some personal vendetta, or he believes he's contributing to the greater good by preventing less-informed people from being scammed out of their money.

My guess: he has a fat wallet full of btc and he fears the success of Ripple will lead to the devaluation of bitcoin.

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To anyone interested in my posts, here's my price list:

If you want me to say:

Ripple is a scam: 2BTC
BFL is a scam: 1BTC
Gox Sux: 1BTC
LTC will fail: 0.5BTC
Josh is a fucking retard: FREE

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I feel left out in that I'm not able to muster any enthusiasm for an extreme opinion on Ripple one way or the other. I don't think it's a scam, and I also don't think it's going to be useful outside a narrow problem space. I don't have anything personal against the OpenCoin developers and I think their business model is unlikely to succeed.

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Quote from: sleger on May 22, 2013, 11:25:59 AM

I don't think this can be true, even if TradeFortress had a lot of bitcoins, why on earth would he offer 5 BTC when 0.5 would be enough for most of the people here to do it... Why throw away $500 times who knows how many...

There are much richer people who are more anonymous who have wasted more money on seemingly dumber things. That is a logical fallacy (fallacious appeal to possibility).

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I don't think this can be true, even if TradeFortress had a lot of bitcoins, why on earth would he offer 5 BTC when 0.5 would be enough for most of the people here to do it... Why throw away $500 times who knows how many...

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Quote from: wormbog on May 22, 2013, 11:17:28 AM

Ripple may not intend to be a scam, but they way they act sure makes it look that way. Promising to deal with key elements of their system at some unspecified later time (open sourcing the codebase, explaining their fair distribution system for XRP) is suspicious. And the trust system at the heart of Ripple is ridiculous. Ripple says the current system of banks and credit requires the same kind of trust, but I don't trust banks at all. I trust that I will have legal recourse through the court system if a bank decides to not pay back my deposits. I don't want to have to trust everyone I transact with, and with bitcoin I don't have to.

Couldn't agree with your points more. It seems these points would be obvious enough to anyone who thinks this way to simply not use Ripple until they resolve these issues. What the manipulation attempts then? Is it just a product of a group of angst-ridden teenagers who got rich from bitcoin?

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Ripple may not intend to be a scam, but they way they act sure makes it look that way. Promising to deal with key elements of their system at some unspecified later time (open sourcing the codebase, explaining their fair distribution system for XRP) is suspicious. And the trust system at the heart of Ripple is ridiculous. Ripple says the current system of banks and credit requires the same kind of trust, but I don't trust banks at all. I trust that I will have legal recourse through the court system if a bank decides to not pay back my deposits. I don't want to have to trust everyone I transact with, and with bitcoin I don't have to.

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So any deals around?

I refrain right to notice that tells post was paid for.

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I think most people who know anything about software development or coding in general know that ripple isn't open source, I don't think it's a scam though, I just think their marketers are stupid, you see it happen all the time with computer stuff.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 22, 2013, 10:00:39 AM

Well, despite only being here 3 weeks and having already formed a serious (and unfoundable) opinion of Ripple, I won't assume you're a sockpuppet and will instead happily assume you are just an average joe with your own opinion.

On that note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Take a long, good read of that. You need it.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on May 22, 2013, 02:05:34 AM

Is this still going?

BULLSHIT

I have never PM'd GoWest. I didn't even know wtf he did. Again,

BULLSHIT

You mad bro?

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Quote from: AzureEngineer on May 22, 2013, 09:40:43 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 22, 2013, 09:39:48 AM

Quote from: AzureEngineer on May 22, 2013, 09:35:55 AM

Aww, I've been saying Ripple is a scam for free this whole time.

You've been saying Ripple is a scam for the whole 3 weeks duration of your completely anonymous account?

For free. That is the important part. I could have been making money this whole time. What a disappointment.

Well, despite only being here 3 weeks and having already formed a serious (and unfoundable) opinion of Ripple, I won't assume you're a sockpuppet and will instead happily assume you are just an average joe with your own opinion.

On that note:

Quote from: AzureEngineer on May 21, 2013, 02:22:54 PM

What the "average joe" thinks is irrelevant. Are you trying to make an intelligent discussion or are you just trying to bullshit the "average joe"?

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 22, 2013, 09:39:48 AM

Quote from: AzureEngineer on May 22, 2013, 09:35:55 AM

Aww, I've been saying Ripple is a scam for free this whole time.

You've been saying Ripple is a scam for the whole 3 weeks duration of your completely anonymous account?

For free. That is the important part. I could have been making money this whole time. What a disappointment.

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Quote from: AzureEngineer on May 22, 2013, 09:35:55 AM

Aww, I've been saying Ripple is a scam for free this whole time.

You've been saying Ripple is a scam for the whole 3 weeks duration of your completely anonymous account?

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Aww, I've been saying Ripple is a scam for free this whole time.

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Why no one offer me 550$ to post something???

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