Topic: I will never buy a Tesla car - page 2. (Read 831 times)

Yeh, sure they are try charging - discharge a batterie multitude times per second and then tell me what happend to the "bigger" capacitor. lol
Alright one of or major part.

Play with real toys not something you familiar with like batterie packs for RC cars.
https://youtu.be/NnwfNMrjzzA

Yeah. Anyone in electronics for A MONTH knows batteries and capacitors are the same thing. A battery is just a very big capacitor.
Also, anyone in electronics knows "progress" is not measured by the number of new technologies found, but by the quality of the technologies.
BTW, capacitors are not the heart of electronics: semiconductors are.

Anyone in electronic for 43 years knows real progress, development and investments has been with capacitors, with market exploding to over half a million types. Batteries on the other hand is dying tech and has not managed to grow beyond some hundred types.
Capacitors is heart and soul of electronics, batteries is in the realms of consumer gadgetry. Batteries is kind of a embarrassment for real electronic guys.
Don't care what you think, i know how very well how much time wasted with detours and hanging on a cable when trying to get something done.

Tesla "chose" to void the warranty because the warranty is BULLSHIT!
You understand that concept?
You have a car, you have a limited amount of space you can use, and weight you can carry, not to mention a maximum price you can pay. You make do with what you have, as Tesla did.


Yeah, clearly.
BTW, my background is in electronics, and I've been at it for the last 43 years. I think I know a thing or two about batteries.

And Panasonic the manufacturer of the Tesla used 18650 (18 mm diameter x 65 mm high) batteries specified it to be max 2 amp per cell.
You can choose to charge it at a slower rate but "cooking" it a 4 amp will void warranty, Tesla said fine, will do so, will charge at "fast" charge rate.
The 100 kW model has 16 pack with 516 cells each for a total of 8256 cells, the most popular model has 7104 cells, 16 packs of 444 cells each.
Charging 4,2 volt (3.7 use) and 4 amp is 16.8 watt x 8256 = 138.7 kW
With the new Tesla inhouse produced batteries (2170) any warranty discussion is of the table because they know charging at that many amps will lead to early death as it is above the technical limitations.
A friend of mine has a model X 100 D,  i been riding in the junk more offten than you think.

No, from a technical standpoint, they don't. The "warranty" some battery manufacturers offer is a marketing trap.
You don't "choose" what charging current you will use on a battery: when you discharge a battery you form metal ions within the electrolyte. The ONLY way to dissolve those ions is to recharge the battery with a current similar to the discharge current. Otherwise, those ions will accumulate, eventually turning the electrolyte conductive, and short circuiting the battery (and, at the usual numbers on a Tesla car, most likely producing a fire or an explosion). Is not like "Elon Musk "chose" to kill the warranty", like you say. There are technical limitations to consider.

Well no batteries do come with warranty. Model S and X cars have Panasonic manufactured batteries. Panasonic gives warranty and specifies a maximum charging current of 2 amperes per cell. Tesla allows charging current to be up to 4 amperes as-with voiding the warranty. Tesla decides to kill warranty by choice. Thats for the "18650" type batterie, the new inhouse made (gigafactory) 2170 type (21 mm diameter and 70 high cells) its another ball game. Other automakers excluding the engine from warranty its the end but we are talking about tesla customers....
Why is it called  "Tesla" anyway, Nikola Tesla was all about alternating current (AC) and Edison direct current (DC) and even made electric cars.

I will get it if it has the kind of quality I love in a car and if it is not very expensive.  Me not telsa  car does not solve any issue between must and bitcoin . If I don't buy it I don't think it gonna affect musk in anyway .

Maybe. We never know what the future will bring. But, right now, electric cars are are a wealthy-tree-hugger's-pipe-dream (pretty much as cars in general used to be in the beginning).
There are several technologies (REAL technologies, not scams) competing to take the place of fossil fueled cars, and each one has its pros and cons. In many cases, the technology itself is immature, not ready for mass production. That is, IMO, the case with electric cars, and solar powered cars, for example.
You don't think about it, but when you go to the gas station, you're getting an enormous amount of energy (safely) in seconds, and an ICE today is a sophisticated, very reliable machine. Instead of that, charging an electric car takes hours, and fast charging it is akin to playing Russian Roulette, and when you put an electric car on the street you KNOW you will have to spend thousands of dollars on a replacement battery, and, contrarily to gasoline or diesel powered cars, batteries come with NO WARRANTY, so you may end up having to replace it tomorrow.

Again, nobody in their right mind would argue that there are not better alternatives. But most of them are far from ready.
Electric cars have existed pretty much since cars have. Solar has existed for decades, but it's still far from ready. Right now, the two technologies that are suitable and more than ready (they've been in use since the beginning), are ethanol and biodiesel (and SVO by extension), and in this case I do agree there's a more-than-fair amount of misinformation being pushed on people, not because they may be "the end of fossil fuels" (we're far from that), but because it gives people the chance to produce their own fuel for pennies on the dollar, and it can be used in largely unmodified engines.

Well, everything changes, and maybe ten years from now, there would be more electricity charging stations than regular ones. Anyways, you can always get a Tesla for your specific needs whenever you want. I like to use online resource to rent Tesla for the minimal prices. They always offer Tesla in the best conditions possible, and for the lowest prices, which is pretty great for me.

And what exactly would that be? What development did i miss, linkes, facts anything?
The only thing i do know in years to come people will have to pay a lot of money for correct dispossing of environment hazardous used / dead batteries. The first once start to fail, only the odd one so far, not a concern. The best dumping place for the mountain to come will be peoples backyard who cheer for it.

Electric charging station from the way old days https://youtu.be/juGsYXpk7Q4?t=22

If there is a vote on this, op will fail to gather support on those boycotting Elon Musk Tesla. If OP is hating on Elon because of bitcoin when it dumped and he feels Elon is the major cause of it, what he should be doing is to start monitoring Elon closely to see when he is going to take another action that will cause bitcoin to crash. That is the best he can do and not call for a boycott that will fail flat. If Tesla is not expensive I will like to have one. For what I know, Elon has helped mankind alot and his support for bitcoin and cryptocurrencies is there for all to see. Any hate against him should be personal and not mass.

And that is (again) the usual argument from people who choose to whine instead of looking for a solution.
There are strong communities in the US and elsewhere, both of biodiesel and bioethanol makers, as well as SVO and other alternative methods' users.  And most of them are free, or as close to free as can be expected, and NOT TAXED AT ALL, if you decide to to the legwork. Of course it's easier to complain and find excuses for doing nothing...

Fuck him for pushing Doge and making me 55k profit on it this year.  

Ya!  Fuck Tesla for buying billions of dollars worth of Bitcoin and holding it on their balance sheet.  Fuck Elon Musk for buying more Bitcoin to own personally.  Fuck Tesla for running a pilot program to accept Bitcoin for their cars and especially fuck Tesla because they said they'll be accepting Bitcoin again in the future.

Oh ya, and fuck Elon Musk for trying to make human beings a multiplanetary species.  Lastly, a final fuck you to Tesla for trying to replace internal combustion engines with electric motors. 

Who the fuck does this guy and this company think they are?  Supporting decentralized currencies, trying to better our species through space exploration, and cleaning up our planet while giving customers an awesome driving experience.  Fuck them... 

Except the thugs running the world want allow green fuel like alcohol to florish, instead they tax it like hell.
The moment the subsidies stop, he is done. Just because he is the latetest in a long list of failes in the EV market does not mean he will succeed.
In a free market he has no hope of surviving, better options are available.
Best fix
https://electrek.co/2021/12/23/tesla-owner-blows-up-model-s-dynamite-battery-replacement/#disqus_thread

Well, when I buy a car I look at more practical issues like HP, handling, braking, reliability, fuel efficiency, etc.
I wouldn't buy a Tesla because it's electric, and electric cars are a big lie. If I could, I'd get a gas powered car and convert it to run on E100.
But, most importantly, I wouldn't buy a Tesla because I don't have the money.
Either way, I think Elon Musk will still survive...

I don't think that's a wise statement. I was also frustrated with what happened to the market, which was influenced by Elon Musk, however, BTC's price was approximately at $35-40k mark before Tesla invested in Bitcoin. It's like we're back at point 0, before Musk.

Tesla has the patent for electric cars, which is open to use by any manufacturer. In my opinion, they build the best EVs so far, except a few cases I do not like, regarding their policy for example.

Good alternative to Tesla only $72500
https://hymanltd.com/vehicles/6695-1937-detroit-electric-model-99c-2-dr/

Up until this year when Elon Musk killed the Bitcoin, it was my dream to buy a new Tesla one day. I was so hyped when he announced that you could buy a Tesla for 1 BTC. But this hype changed so fast. Now I am not considering to buy a Tesla ever. My next car is definitely going to be an electric car, but it's better to wait a few more years until more car manufacturers will bring out more models.