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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
For the record, because another banned user made a false accusation against me here:  I have not deleted any of ibminer’s posts on this thread.

Another user, who is categorically banned from my self-moderated threads, made almost two dozen identical posts in a very short time.  I suspect that she must have been using a spambot, since the deleted post was sometimes re-posted within seconds after I deleted it.

That is off-topic here.  Do not attempt derailing the thread with it.  I will reply to ibminer’s latest twisted nonsense if or when I have time for such things.  Suffice it for now to say, it is nonsense—just a slightly different twist on what has been rehashed already.
legendary
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Now, it seems that ibminer got himself into some other controversy.  I have no time to review the evidence about a user who is beneath my attention
Well, isn't that convenient.

Deleting multiple posts in this thread after over a year is just pathetic, nullius. Roll Eyes

You were dealing with an account likely controlled by a 15 year old boy, yes that is considered "underage". Even after you saw theymos' evidence, you continued to try and find every angle you could to make the person behind alia a real girl. Which displayed further poor judgement to me.

You seemed to be trying to justify the charade after evidence had already been brought to light. You started believing his/alia's stories to get out of it, almost making excuses for him as you thought about every possible option where alia was really a real girl... which all seemed a tad suspicious, but at best, displayed poor judgement... by that point, I believe you should have known there was a 15 year old boy behind the alia account.

To top it all off, you started this thread to *punish* me for my post relating to last years' April Fools.

I'm sorry if this all hurts your feelings, but it is what it is.

IF you had approached this differently, and I thought you actually had an issue with the post your attacking me over in the OP, and that you were not just trying to inflict a punishment because you were butthurt, I may have considered changing it to something like "underage e-pimp", or "an underage e-pimp who had a sister". This would be to give you the benefit of doubt on your peculiar belief that there was actually a girl living with an underage brother pimp.

It's interesting you seek to find any reason to leave me negative feedback, while never once leaving alia any feedback.

You can continue with your malice intent, but I certainly am not going to be pressured to change it because of you wanting to punish me for an April fools day post I made expressing my opinion. That ain't me, sorry.
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they gave you money as an investment, you gave them back a lot less money, and you blame them for not calling it a great success.

See, this is where you're wrong.  I gave them back more money.  Although it does sound from your comments that you are highly likely to be evading taxes from the way you say, "less money" when what you really mean is "more dollars."
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That is egregiously dishonest on ibminer’s part.

ibminer has displayed a pattern of not accepting the consequences of his actions and blaming others for his mistakes.

Thanks for reminding me of this.  There is so much trash on this forum that sometimes, I am lamentably absentminded about sweeping some of it up.  This is one of at least a score of threads that met that fate.  Eh.  If I don’t keep up with forum threads about large-scale frauds and major political upheavals, then you may understand that however bad ibminer is, he simply slipped to the bottom of my priorities.

I will forthwith tag ibminer for the baseless, scurrilous, abysmally dishonest defamation which he has made against me, and which he chose to worsen in this thread (archive).  This also reminded me to catch up on some other tagging previously promised...  Tags take too long to make since theymos imposed a short and undocumented length limit; I prefer to craft a meaningful summary that fits within the feedback text, but I am falling back to low-effort tag text because it’s not worth my time.

Now, it seems that ibminer got himself into some other controversy.  I have no time to review the evidence about a user who is beneath my attention, other than tying up loose ends here; thus, I cannot now express an opinion about that either way.  I do request that this thread remain on-topic.  Other accusations against ibminer are tangential, albeit probative insofar as they go to character; if there are other threads were these accusations are evidenced and discussed, I ask that you please link thereto.

Did you actually ask ibminer via polite 1-2 sentence PM to reconsider that post

Yes, everyone needs to kiss the ass of ibminer or suchmoon will use the lack of politeness as an excuse to defend his wrongdoing.

Damn straight.  The forum the world would be a better place if moral cowardice, groupthink, peer pressure, and the herd mentality were not all so fashionable.

—Actually, scratch that:  The world would be a better place if not for modern democratic thinking, which by design puts the lunatics in charge of the asylum.  The herd mentality works just fine, when the sheep obey a proper shepherd.  Smiley


This thread looks like a setup for one of your "I don't like what you said" red trust ratings.

As I said before, I did not want to tag ibminer.  But no sinister “setup” is involved:  When I open a topic in Reputation accusing someone of dishonest and untrustworthy behaviour, it does not take Sherlock Holmes to deduce that I am considering a tag.  Also, as you are aware, you are permabanned from my self-moderated threads (unless I open one against you).  Ban evasion will not be tolerated—not yours, and not nutildah’s.

I have done some cleanup of ban evasion, plus extremely low-value troll posts; pre-cleanup archives:  archive.is, archive.org (seems to be flaking out right now, but I will link to it anyway).


where art thou, nullius?

I have been busy.  Unlike some users who sit on the forum 24/7 posting animated GIFs and no-value one-liners, I am not on-call to address the latest forum drama; and sometimes, if I have a few spare moments for the forum, I may prefer to talk about Bitcoin (!).  Perahps I may be building an important project—or perhaps I may be busy taking a nap; that would be more productive than wallowing in Reputation.  If you want my attention, get in line and wait your turn.
legendary
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-nonsense and more lies-






I think the quote ibminer is referring to is this one:
I'd love it if we could find a way to get BTC into the hands of seat owners more quickly so they can enjoy some price appreciation on their coins during this rally.
Hadn't seen that one.

The majority of what I refer to was told to me privately when I had a lot of questions about the organization, before getting involved. The answers I got are what I was sold on, and that's what I refer to when discussing certain specifics about the Nasty* organization.
Vod
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No shame or remorse whatsoever over my involvement in the Bitcoin community. I’m quite proud and thankful for my experience here. Other than a handful of trolls, I’ve had an enormous amount of positive feedback. You are too trapped in your quest to spread hate to understand that you aren’t in the majority with your feelings toward me and the things I’ve done for this community.

I wish LoyceV or Ninja could show the number of proud posts you have removed from this community recently.

So, you have no shame for making up extremely serious lies about me contributing to a stroke?
You have no remorse for wishing more people would stroke out to help the community?
You have no shame for telling everyone you were triyng to get me help through your charity, and instead ignored me?

No shame about losing 99% of the pirate ponzi bitcoins you held?
No shame about losing 99% of nastymining bitcoins you held?
Finally, you never paid taxes and instead deflected about your October 2018  audit by claiming I sent you a PM outting myself as a pedophile,  You then said Theymos knew about it and later deleted it.  Theymos responded with trust to you, distrust to me, and continuing to pay you hundreds of thousands dollars while you scammed.

I don't really understand how Og remains even a co-treasurer at this point.

I hope you do now. Took me a long time to understand why Theymos expressed sympathy to me years ago about the pedo link, but let OG continue to spread the rumor.  I would have been happy with help with expenses, but the billions spent on the new forum and the helicopters and champagne were not meant for those with morals.   I guess the lawyers will take the lions share and litigate the idiots for years and the victims will get what's left.   God bless the blockchain and let's see the underbelly of this community.  
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You're such a fucking embarrassment for any bitcoiner... I guess it's a good thing (for you) that sociopaths like you don't feel shame or remorse.

No shame or remorse whatsoever over my involvement in the Bitcoin community. I’m quite proud and thankful for my experience here. Other than a handful of trolls, I’ve had an enormous amount of positive feedback. You are too trapped in your quest to spread hate to understand that you aren’t in the majority with your feelings toward me and the things I’ve done for this community.

If I was such an embarrassment, you wouldn’t have assembled a team to spread lies to try and damage my reputation. You wouldn’t need to.

Congrats on your mining operation. I’m sure you’re probably operating it in an environmentally responsible way and donating all the mined coins to the community... You probably get interview requests and people asking you for consulting on their operations. Oh wait, that’s me. Which one of us is the greedy asshole and embarrassment again?

Every thread you will ever see complaining about suchmoon/Vod/ibminer always turns into them deflecting and making up lies about whoever confronts them. That’s why people just avoid them and start new accounts if you’ve had the misfortune of becoming the outlet for their misery.


I don't really understand how Og remains even a co-treasurer at this point.

My guess is because it’s obvious that I’ve done nothing wrong. Being mad at someone for donating BTC from their efforts here to a community organization is irrational. Funny how people’s true motivations always seem to surface though...
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He can say whatever he wants. Truth is that ibminer still blames me because he lost money with some signature advertiser I had for a few weeks. He takes no personal responsibility and is trolling an organization I donate to because I sold him silver for BTC years ago and now he’s mad that the silver coin didn’t appreciate more than Bitcoin itself.

I would say to avoid dealing with ibminer as well as his partners Vod and suchmoon or else it will end badly for you. They will literally come back 5 years later and try to trash your reputation if the exchange rate doesn’t go their way. Worst sort of crypto traders you can find. Don’t let them deflect. Dig and find the truth. You’ll quickly see that Vod & ibminer are the worst kind of people to have in any community. There are probably hundreds more like the OP who just don’t want to take the time to complain because they know they’ll get their reputation slandered. So watch what they do to me, look at all the negative trust they’ve handed out, and think about all the users who didn’t have the reputation to stand up for this behavior outside of threads like this that are quickly filled with lies and deflection by the usual suspects so they can keep torturing newbies to make up for their helplessness in real life. These harassed users need to realize that they outnumber the abusers 100 to 1 and start standing up for themselves. I alone can’t make much difference, because as you see I am outnumbered and they can spread more lies than I have time or desire to correct. Don’t be fooled. These people are not better than anyone, no more knowledgeable about Bitcoin than a random off the street, and they have less financial knowledge than a typical teenager with a piggy bank. Their opinions are not to be valued by any respectable person.
legendary
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 Shocked

When you think Og couldn't get any slimier... disappointing.

Again more nonsense.. obviously some sort of effort to drive me away from the NastyFans thread.

Thanks for the bump though, I had almost forgot about this thread... Smiley  where art thou, nullius?    This april fools' joke was much better this year!  Seriously glad we didn't have to get into a tiff over it.


ibminer has displayed a pattern of not accepting the consequences of his actions and blaming others for his mistakes.  
I accepted my mistake investing in your organization a while ago.

Your post here is because I refuse to allow you to falsely claim & advertise a '125% ROI' on an investment that I'm a part of.

He even once blamed me for him losing money gambling because I was wearing a signature advertisement.
Damn. Your just pullin' stuff out of your ass again.
Just like the prior accusation you slung at me last time we had a disagreement, about stealing a miner.
I think this is proof enough for me that you're not doing this from bad memory... you're just literally making shit up intentionally.

I don't gamble... so I've got no clue where this comes from. I've had a few conversations with OgNasty (when he has brought it up) about his signature for MoneyPot & DogeDigital, most recently here.

But, go ahead, please post the quote, PM, whatever ya gotta do to prove your claim about me "blaming you for losing money gambling".

Don't worry, I won't hold my breath.


I'm not going to respond to the rest, if OgNasty has proof on anything he's said here to try and smear me, deflect, etc... please quote me, post my PM, do what you have to do.
Og's upset that I won't accept his claim of '125% ROI', and I have good reason to not accept it.

Anyone else with any concerns, feel free to PM me.
Vod
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Yes, he's still blaming vendors for accepting his payments in BTC as the reason he didn't get rich with everyone else. 

No, he is saying he lost 99% of the bitcoins he sent you, whether they were worth $1 or $1,000,000.
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That is egregiously dishonest on ibminer’s part.

ibminer has displayed a pattern of not accepting the consequences of his actions and blaming others for his mistakes.  He even blames BTC vendors for him not getting rich because they accepted his BTC for goods and those goods did not gain value as quickly as Bitcoin.  Who does that?  Imagine searching for someone to provide you a good and accept your currency, then when you do you make an exchange with them you praise them for accepting your currency.  However, then that currency appreciates a lot so you find that vendor and blame them for you not making money because they accepted the currency you asked them to accept.  That's ibminer.  Everything is everyone else's fault.  He didn't get rich because evil Bitcoin vendors forced him to spend his BTC.  He even once blamed me for him losing money gambling because I was wearing a signature advertisement.  People like this will always take the stance that their failure is someone else's fault.  No amount of explaining, examples, or facts can get them to take personal responsibility for their actions.  They simply cannot accept their own failure so they lash out at everyone else and try to force company for their misery.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCMcSx1as3c

He was involved in the conversation less than an hour ago.

Yes, he's still blaming vendors for accepting his payments in BTC as the reason he didn't get rich with everyone else.  Imagine having such little personal responsibility.  When you go from praising someone to hating them because of how the free market moved an asset, you are probably an irrational and miserable person.  This is what I'm accusing ibminer of doing and seems to fit in a pattern of his accusatory behavior toward others to make up for his personal decisions that didn't turn out how he thought they would.
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He even blames BTC vendors for him not getting rich because they accepted his BTC for goods and those goods did not gain value as quickly as Bitcoin.

He was involved in the conversation less than an hour ago.

He paid you 1.65 BTC and received a return of 0.0095 BTC.
 
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That is egregiously dishonest on ibminer’s part.

ibminer has displayed a pattern of not accepting the consequences of his actions and blaming others for his mistakes.  He even blames BTC vendors for him not getting rich because they accepted his BTC for goods and those goods did not gain value as quickly as Bitcoin.  Who does that?  Imagine searching for someone to provide you a good and accept your currency, then when you do you make an exchange with them you praise them for accepting your currency.  However, then that currency appreciates a lot so you find that vendor and blame them for you not making money because they accepted the currency you asked them to accept.  That's ibminer.  Everything is everyone else's fault.  He didn't get rich because evil Bitcoin vendors forced him to spend his BTC.  He even once blamed me for him losing money gambling because I was wearing a signature advertisement.  People like this will always take the stance that their failure is someone else's fault.  No amount of explaining, examples, or facts can get them to take personal responsibility for their actions.  They simply cannot accept their own failure so they lash out at everyone else and try to force company for their misery.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCMcSx1as3c
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Do you suppose that I be scared, or even impressed by DT members on an Internet forum?
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Fuck Yeah!!! Scared enuff to go on a rant in a self moderated thread!!!

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I doubt many people even saw ibminer's words from February (I didn't), but I assure you they have now.
Exactly, This is what came to my mind when I saw this post!!!
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I am really really surprised as to why this is happening. Not a single word needed to be said, remove the word, close the thread, end. I wonder what will be next instead of this simple solution.  Sad

Totally agree. The answer is in, close the thread, unless you want to stir the drama some more.

Nice try, completely twisting what Lauda said.

Unfortunately, since ibminer decided to double down, it is no longer a matter of retracting a single word.

Can you please just remove the wording and fight it out in however many threads you guys want? Is that so hard to do Huh

I have no desire to fight with ibminer.  What I want is to resolve this, route him to /dev/null, and go do something important.

My actual intention had been that when my demand for a retraction of a single word was met, I would lock the thread and walk away.  I did not say so outright, because it is dangerous to make such promises, and because it is the kind of thing that could be misconstrued by persons who are twisting my words and mischaracterizing my actions (especially suchmoon).  However, I think it was clear enough:

I do not wish either faith to ibminer, I just hope he removes the statement and this thread is shut down.

This is indeed an ugly thread.  I did not want to create it; and I do not want to keep it going.  Although I doubt that anything will change my own loss of respect for ibminer or my distrust of his judgment, I think it’s clear straight from OP that I will consider this thread to be resolved if my stated demand for an appropriately marked retraction is met.  An apology would be decent; but in principle, I am disinclined to demand such things, or even ask for them, for I strongly dislike fake, coerced “apologies”.  I am addressing only (contra)factual statements here—in a general manner similar to what I would do in a courtroom defamation case, adjusted appropriately for the nature of the venue as a Reputation forum.

OP, following my concisely stated demand:

ibminer is, of course, “entitled to his opinions”, which I really don’t give a damn about either way.

ibminer made a false factual statement.  It is of such an inflammatory and destructive nature that, as I noted in the draft reply to pugman that I timestamped and filed away yesterday, I believe that I would have an actionable tort case against ibminer.  (So noted only to measure the magnitude and seriousness of the matter.  A single word can indeed incur a successful lawsuit.  I am a crypto-anarchist behind Tor; and anyway, if I were to sue, I would not be so stupid as to discuss the matter on an Internet forum beforehand!)

Now, he has piled on a whole heap of new accusations and insinuations—much of it in vague terms that are impossible to answer or publicly rebut as to fact.  Some of what he has now said, I know first-hand to be factually false; the rest is presumeably false, unless he has extraordinary evidence.

I don’t have the spare time to continue sitting on top of this thread as I did yesterday; but I will not just let this go so easily.  ibminer has piled wrong atop wrong.  He needs to answer for that.

@ibminer, could you please remove that "underage" bit because the GGB profile that was used was "not underage". You even get to be Colonel Jessep here:

 

I know that you mean well.  I appreciate that.  Since you said that a few times now, I just need to make it clear that ibminer is not in a position to demand anything of me—and I am never nice.









Something else that I should probably address:

You were one of the best members around when you were posting about "technical" stuff that actually matter but then out of a sudden you became so active in this board in a way that puts you a few topics away from being the next cryptohunter, obviously with better writing skills.

As far as DEMANDING the edition of a post, i wouldn't set my hopes too high, we barely get people to change their feedback, let alone edit a post, the way i see it is that ibminer seems like a reasonable dude, i am pretty sure the effect of a single-line PM would be stronger than this topic.
I agree with this. Nullius had a whole different reputation and status after he left, everyone thought he was different, witty, and a technical genius. And we wanted for nullius to return back, because more than half of the actual members of the forum practically loved him because he gave the vibes of old 2011 posters, which this forum had been lacking for ages. And now after his return, everything feels different.

Nullius, things wont be the same for you if go around demanding things, publishing pms, and going against DT members isn't going to help. You're better than that, and you know it. Back then, you handled the Alia situation much better, but now its getting quite the opposite. I get it, you're smart, but things won't be the same,  if the things you do keep being the same, it won't go so well. End your disputes privately, its better for everyone.

I appreciate anybody who appreciates my work; but I do not owe anything to anybody (save for a very few individuals who have immeasurably enriched my life, whether through their own published work or though their private interactions with me).  Moreover, I have not changed:  As shown below, my personality now is indistinguishable from that in 2018.  Perhaps your perceptions of me may have changed.  My characteristic aggressiveness and absolute certitude in the face of conflict would understandably be appealing to those who agree with me, and not to those who don’t.

Nullius, things wont be the same for you if

Thanks; taken under advisement.

go around demanding things,

Nothing wrong with my demanding redress from somebody who wronged me.

N.b. that that was stated in the manner of a legal demand (in manner of speaking—without any implication of being an actual legal demand).  A demand for retraction of a false and defamatory statement is a quite ordinary response.

publishing pms,

In 2018, I created a whole thread for that, my “hate mail” thread.  Want the same nullius back?  Here he is.

At my exclusive discretion, I reserve the right to publicly post any PMs received by me (0) on the subject of negative trust feedback left by me, and/or (1) in relation to such a public discussion as this one.

Whines > /dev/null.

I have spent my whole adult life handling highly confidential information for people with whom I have a relationship of mutual trust.  And if someone sends me a friendly PM, I will treat that with the ordinary discretion of a gentleman.  Whereas nobody has a right to impose on me and swear me to secrecy, just by sending me a Personal Messageespecially not if the PM is of a hostile nature.  It is completely ridiculous to criticize anybody for publishing unsolicited adversarial PMs.

My 2018 PM-dumping thread was inspired by the example of various activists whom I have seen publish extreme hate-mail and death threats sent via “private” channels of communication.  Reductio ad absurdum, would you criticize them, too?

and going against DT members

I go against governments.  I have real-life, years-long experience litigating against large corporations (who eventually steamrolled me by sheer mismatch of resources—eh, I bit off more than I could chew there).  Do you suppose that I be scared, or even impressed by DT members on an Internet forum?


I respect those who earn my respect, and that’s that.

I am not a flatterer—in colloquial terms, I don’t kiss arse (and I categorically despise people who expect that from me).

Yes, everyone needs to kiss the ass of ibminer or suchmoon will use the lack of politeness as an excuse to defend his wrongdoing.

Oh, shit!  I just quoted OgNasty.  The world is truly ending.


🙂

Now, lest there be any doubt—I really have not changed even a bit:

Re: Measures against scams misusing the Bitcoin name
So-called “Bitcoin Cash” is neither Bitcoin, nor cash, in the sense that it has neither the unlinkability nor the fungibility of cash.  [...]  I am still having trouble deciding what I should call Roger Ver’s little abortion.  Perhaps ASICBOOSTCOIN.


Re: Buying Drugs with Bitcoin ?
Anyone bought drugs with bitcoin and what are you thought on the subject ?

Thanks so much for pissing in the pool here.  I hope you O.D.  Otherwise, die in a fire.

(Does suchmoon wish to lecture me about rudeness?)

Bracketed replacement of internal quotation is in the original:
Re: Bitcoin Diamond improves on Bitcoin transactions

[Idiotic shilling for yet another fork scamcoin.]

Fall in a well and die.  Or I stick a fork in your eye.


Re: Do Not Buy Christmas Presents!!
Well, what's the most expensive? A $500 bag or a divorce?

If you’re not an idiot, then neither your wife nor anybody else knows how much Bitcoin you have.

(A forum search of posts that I have made using the word “idiot” is amusing.)


Red boldface is in the original:
Re: Bitcoin not so anonymous?

I guess they could identify you only once you cashed out. Other than that, your identity is safe (unless you have verified your identify in an online wallet, of course);

WRONG.  [— snip what I still think is still one of my best-ever posts, together with its even better sequel —]


Re: Merit broke my life
Merited by soniclord (50)

Add to this that to exonerate himself of guilt, soniclord would need to prove that he has an IQ not exceeding 75.  [...]  Well, either severe mental retardation—or a state of insanity, replete with psychotic delusions.  There can be no other way for someone to actually do that innocently.  It is implausible, improbable, impossible.

Development & Technical Discussion:
Bitcoin’s Public-Key Security Level

In layman’s terms, a 128-bit security level is very, very strong.  It is what buzzword-lovers usually refer to as “military-grade security”.  Those who seek better than “military-grade security” (or wish to make fun of that idiotic term) may instead seek “‘Spinal Tap grade’ security”.

(Amidst my own philosophy, the next one invokes Dancing Pigs that I picked up long ago from RISKS Digest.  Sorry about the “catless” part.)

Development & Technical Discussion:
Bitcoin Distorters, Dancing Pigs, and Cryptokitties; ochlocracy equals kakocracy

There is only one Bitcoin.

[...]

Ethereum has a deeper problem:  Bolting a Turing-complete VM onto a blockchain and painting it over with a Javascript-style language is manifestly irresponsible as anything other than a research project (i.e. not as “money”).

[...]

Human beings know how to build correct, reliable computing machines.  I’ve read of fully redundant systems which could lose a CPU any time without blinking, capability-based research systems, etc., etc....  But all that is too expensive, plus too slow to bring to market.  People want their Dancing Pigs and their Cryptokitties.  Thus, we get everywhere the computing equivalent of Ethereum.  Who wants to wait for research like Simplicity before running a hot new ICO?

It’s the same with buildings.  Once upon a time, a cathedral would have its foundations laid by workers who cherished the faith that their grandchildren may live to see spires rise to the sky.  Nowadays, having forsaken cathedrals to please gods, all the world’s a goddamn bazaar:  A pile of cheap shacks and stalls thrown up in a hurry so that idiot masses and idiot plutocrats alike can hawk their baubles to their fellow idiots.  Shiny!  Needs a bounty ANN thread.  As the wetware degenerates itself in a negative feedback loop, we soon find empirical proof for a principle well-known to philosophers since the beginning of time:  Ochlocracy equals kakocracy.  —  Ergo, “regulations”.
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suchmoon trying to create confusion on "meaning of e-whore"

I was merely responding to marlboroza... it's how I read it. Not trying to confuse anyone as to how they should read it. Now that ibminer responded you should refer to that for what he meant, not my (or anyone's) interpretation or opinion.

I am really really surprised as to why this is happening. Not a single word needed to be said, remove the word, close the thread, end. I wonder what will be next instead of this simple solution.  Sad

Totally agree. The answer is in, close the thread, unless you want to stir the drama some more.
legendary
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Terminated.
Granted, there were better ways to settle this which is why you too could just have been Col. Jessup and finished this. The way OP asked may not seem appropriate to you, me or plenty others but that does not make you right in continuing to be unflinching on something this serious. Your leaving it unchanged and suchmoon trying to create confusion on "meaning of e-whore" just sounds like an excuse to not accept your mistake while using it to target another user because you want to, don't know, have something on him?  Undecided Surely you are better than this.
I am really really surprised as to why this is happening. Not a single word needed to be said, remove the word, close the thread, end. I wonder what will be next instead of this simple solution.  Sad
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I doubt it. To me "e-whore" without context doesn't mean literal prostitution and top definitions on Urban Dictionary are about attention whoring, not webcam stuff.
Not "e-whore", "underage e-whore".

"She is underage e-whore". Whatever context might be here, this certainly sound like underage prostitute, not much people will go straight to dictionary to see what e-whore means (nor they will look for more context). I guess it is because focus is on that "underage" part.
Urban-dictionary or not, why are we playing around with the implication of the phrase "underage e-whore" which any casual reader would understand as "underage prostitution on the internet".

Whats an e-mail? (mail on the internet)
Whats e-commerce? (commerce on the internet)
Who is an e-whore?

In the alia case, there was an actual GGB verified women whose nudes, cam-shows were used. Theymos did say that she was verified on GGB by which everyone else understands that she would have been of age. She was the e-whore. NOT an underage one. You know that from the beginning as you were closely involved. You could have used that statement in the context you explained which is why this seems like an over-reaction to many.
Yet, the issue raised by OP is that to a casual reader, your statement would imply that a fellow member with a nice reputation and an amazing, informative body of work here (as admitted by everyone advising him to change), was somehow involved in a despicable and illegal act happening on Satoshi's forums. Something that directly harms his reputation as well as the forum. A forum that we all care deeply about, i think.

Granted, there were better ways to settle this which is why you too could just have been Col. Jessup and finished this. The way OP asked may not seem appropriate to you, me or plenty others but that does not make you right in continuing to be unflinching on something this serious. Your leaving it unchanged and suchmoon trying to create confusion on "meaning of e-whore" just sounds like an excuse to not accept your mistake while using it to target another user because you want to, don't know, have something on him?  Undecided Surely you are better than this.
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nullius is a bit butthurt that I called out his hypocritical point of view in a separate thread and we had a difference of opinion.
So, suddenly he now has an issue with a post I made ~2 months ago. Go figure. Cheesy
Is this really that important in the grand context of things?

The thread is too much (this is his style of writing though), but most responses are absurd. Many years back if you had made such a false statement (underage pornography) about somebody else, especially as a DT member you would not: 1) Be a DT member much longer. 2) Your reputation would be gone very soon had it not been retracted very shortly after being pointed out.[1] We find ourselves in a very weird environment now where wrongdoing is neglected because the way it is being called out is not politically correct?  I do not know if that statement was intentional or not, but this and the current state of things are just wrong. Undecided  

[1] I do not wish either faith to ibminer, I just hope he removes the statement and this thread is shut down. These two were used as an example how this became worse here ("bad things are okay unless called out in a politically correct manner AKA the way I like it"). I do not think OP wants to tag ibminer either.
Can you please just remove the wording and fight it out in however many threads you guys want? Is that so hard to do Huh What is wrong with people these days: both sides attack each over a single word. Undecided
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ibminer, you have added here several serious allegations on your part—against me, and about others.  As to myself, I have first-hand knowledge that you are wrong about everything except what I myself just said upthread a few hours ago; but I will set that aside for the moment.  Overall, either you must have strong evidence to support your allegations, or your reply here is utterly despicable.



0. In substantial effect, you have unavoidably stated that the GirlsGoneBitcoin verification process was, and thus can be fooled by a 15-year-old boy using “software and video packs”.  Also, all of alia’s customers on the forum (n.b. that I was never one of them).

Based on the research I did back then, it was clear to me that favours was not paying anyone, it was him, likely using software and video packs (all commonly used by e-whores)..

Actually, you are more than questioning theymos’ reliability:  You are directly impugning it.  I and many others rely on this as sterling information:

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If the GGB verification process is unreliable, then it would behoove you to inform those who are relying thereupon.  If, in this case, it was actually fooled by a 15-year-old boy using “software and video packs”, then I myself relied on it to my detriment; and I should be let to know about that.

In the absence of sound evidence to the contrary, I will presume that theymos knows what the hell he is doing—and that you, ibminer, are slinging some very dangerous mud without thinking about the consequences.





1. You made a vague statement that alia/favours was “being supported by [me]”.  What, exactly, do you mean by that?

Based on the research I did back then, it was clear to me that favours was not paying anyone, it was him, likely using software and video packs (all commonly used by e-whores).. and being supported by you.

For the record, the only “support” of any kind whatsoever that I ever gave to the alia account was reputational:  I made the account significantly more forum-famous than it already was when I found it—which only occurred because it was already more than a little bit forum-famous.  And aside from some innocently intended positive comments that I made about alia to specific individuals in PMs, almost all of that was in full public.view (forum posts and merit).

If you allege otherwise, be specific—and put up the evidence now.  I know first-hand that you don’t have any, because I did nothing wrong as you are insinuating.





2. I actually have nothing to hide here.  Please feel free to post the PMs:

nullius == alia's main supporter, promoter, and the person who made alia who he was on the forum (<- self-admitted, I won't bother posting the PMs unless nullius would like me to).

I am calling you on this, because your unjust and inexcusable insinuations are damaging to me.  Without even reviewing PMs that I have not looked at in over two years, I can affirmatively state that publishing my PM correspondence with you would not damage me at all, because I did nothing wrong other than to be innocently scammed by a scammer.

If you want to nitpick or twist on a word here or there (such as the pronouns that I used at various times during the development of a very confusing situation—oh, muh pronouns!), then I can explain anything that I said in its proper context.

If you are seeking to prove that I was “self-admitted” to have promoted the alia account, I think the point is moot:  I myself just said essentially the same thing, on this thread, just a few hours ago (and I have made similar remarks to others in the past, in public and in private):

I would personally go with "shilled for scammer"(no hard feelings @OP) but that's me  Smiley

No offense taken.  I was fooled; it was cold comfort that “alia” fooled many others, and had even obtained an unprecedented theymos neutral-tag verifying the account as a camgirl.  The level at which I had indeed publicized alia did, in my judgment, impose on me a positive duty to spare no effort in actively contributing to the investigation by the anonymous scam_detector, RGBKey (whose red-tag was the warning that jolted me into taking scam_detector seriously), ibminer (which is why I did respect him—and I appreciated what he did then), theymos himself, you, and too many others succinctly to list.  I never argued with anybody who made fun of me about this, or said that I made an error in judgment—which I admittedly did, and for which I took responsibility as much as I reasonably could.

Furthermore, I also consent to forum administrators or staff viewing my PMs sent to alia and received from alia, if they have any suspicions about me.

OP here:

As a further precaution, despite my potential embarrassment with some of them, I deliberately left intact all of my PMs with alia—just in case the forum’s administration were ever to have any suspicions about me in the matter.  (The PMs are still there—*cringe*.)

Some of them are embarrassing in the “*cringe*” sense; I would not want for those to be published.  None of them is in any way inculpatory of me.  I think that admins and staff are sufficiently level-headed to view the matter objectively and dispassionately.  If they have any questions, they may PM me.  For obvious reasons, I do not want to say too much more about this in public.

But I do so say, just in case ibminer’s wrongful remarks about me have the predictable effect of causing admins or staff to have such suspicions about me as would be allayed if they were to review evidence already in their own possession.





3. Please state specifically which of my act and/or omissions you think were wrong, and what you think I should have done instead:

Your actions after he was identified showed me you were not someone I, nor anyone, should trust the judgement of.

I was fooled by this scammer just as badly as anybody else.  The alia account was used to scam some people for money.  It was used to scam me for reputation-builiding.

I have all along reasonably taken responsibility for anything that I actually did.  I have all along erred toward being critical of myself:  I should have known better.  I should have been more alert, more cautious.  I should have analysed this situation in every detail.  Yes, I am essentially victim-blaming myself using the same arguments used by scammers who rationalize that “fools deserve to be scammed”.  That is acceptable for me to do to myself, because I have a right to hold myself to a much higher than ordinary standard for both astuteness and carefulness:  I am smarter than this.  It is not acceptable from ibminer—enough is enough!

Although I was moderately careless with a “female” situation (as most men are at least once or twice in their lives), I was not even negligent—much less knowingly engaged in any wrongdoing whatsoever.

It should not need to be said that when the scam accusation broke, I was in a situation in which I myself was shocked, caught off-guard, and initially confused as to the facts.  Nevertheless, I promptly caught my bearings and not only cooperated with, but actively assisted the scam investigation to the best of my ability.

I am ashamed of having been fooled, but I am proud of how I handled it when I discovered that I had been fooled.  To suggest that I did anything whatsoever wrong after that point is indefensible for you.  So, put up or shut up:  What did I do wrong, and what should I have done differently?





4. ...:

As such, ibminer has knowingly falsely accused both me and, by unavoidable implication, theymos of peddling “underage” sex on a forum as to which various entities would relish an excuse to attack for censorship purposes.

I never accused theymos of such nonsense. Keep trying.

How do you square that with your now-amplified statements quoted above?  I really don’t want to spell this out for you.

And why are you tangling yourself in self-contradictions to focus this crap on me, of all people?  I was never one of alia’s customers.  I never saw an “alia” camshow—whether a live camgirl, or “software and video packs” as you allege.  All that I did was to get overly excited about my lovely forum girlfriend, interact with the account publicly in ways that rapidly amplified its fame, send it a bunch of merit for posts that I thought were meritorious, brag too much in PMs to a few individuals who never accused me of anything for their own parts, and exchange some sexually explicit textual communications with what, in reliance on GGB verification, I believed to be a camgirl.  So—why me?

(N.b., I still believe GGB verification much more than I believe you.  At this point, I do not find you to be at all credible.)



There is more in ibminer’s post that should be addressed; but first things first...

Note:  When I saw ibminer’s post, I was finishing a draft of a long reply to pugman.  Abstract:  Look up the word “tort”.  And please never rely on Wikipedia legal arguments for anything important.

Combining the posts would make this far too long; thus, I have set it aside for now, and OTS-timestamped a copy of my draft in case I want to prove later what I was writing.  (Should have done that with my February draft of what became OP here.  OTS should be a habit.)
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