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Quote from: CroDam on March 28, 2017, 05:46:06 PM

Sorry but I really dont get you.
You dont like buyback and this is fine.
You sold your ICN and you make nice profit and this is fine too

But why you now dont go away and find another good project if you dont like this one anymore.
Why you spamming this room whit your vision all the time?
Do you want buy for cheap?

Why do people always tell you to go away when you have another opinion and they cannot argue with you ? So childish

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:32:51 PM

Quote from: Mendeleev on March 28, 2017, 05:27:01 PM

Like I say though, no point arguing with others here if you've made up your own mind. We'll go our way, and they'll go their way.

It's all good.

Its not all good. This is why most crypto related business have a scammy image.
You know SDC coin? All people were expecting a big news, price was up ... and then those fuckheads came and said well ... we'll just make a new ICO and bla bla bla ... they fucked people. Just like these guys are doing.
So they transformed a nice innovative token that could've hypothetically generate an income stream into a shitcoin from which you will be able to have profit if you find a bigger looser to buy it from you ... genius.

Yep, I was quite interested in SDC. Was waiting for a good buy point, then the whole Particl thing happened. Dodged a bullet.

But ok, I'll leave you to your discussion, and watch from the sidelines. You're correct; calling things out is good. It'll give other potential buyers more viewpoints to help make their decision.

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This is my post from February 24th.

Quote from: calvinstm on February 24, 2017, 03:37:40 AM

I have a drastic suggestion for the Iconomi Investment Team (I believe it's headed by Daniel Zakrisson).

It is my understanding that Iconomi.Performance Fund (or ICNP for short) typically only invests in Crypto startup with potentials.

However, as ICN's marketcap falls below its fair valuation, I'd highly advise the Investment Team (and Daniel) to consider initiate a "BuyBack Program." This will have 3 major advantages:

1. By reducing the payout to 3rd-party investors, Iconomi platform will drastically increase its profit margin.

2. By holding ICN in ICNP fund, the dividend will provide a steady stream of guaranteed income that cannot be found in other Crypto financial products today.

3. If you play it right, the move will drastically reduce any group or individual's ability to manipulate the market. I do not wish to elaborate here, but a smart guy like Daniel would surely know what I'm getting at. Wink

All major corporations has "stock buyback" program at one point, so why can't Iconomi have one too when the market cap has fallen below its fair valuation?

Please think about it if you haven't already. Cheesy

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:36:11 PM

Quote from: Enjorlas on March 28, 2017, 05:30:08 PM

My God, he doesn't understand supply and demand yet self identifies as a trader.

I understand very well the supply and demand. But do you understand that there is no reason for a demand ? Other that hoping to sell to a bigger looser ?
I can also come with a token and say 1k tokens in existence ... please buy in ... I promise I will burn half of coins each month ... where is the demand? Just because I promise to burn some of the coins people will jump in and buy ?

Sorry but I really dont get you.
You dont like buyback and this is fine.
You sold your ICN and you make nice profit and this is fine too

But why you now dont go away and find another good project if you dont like this one anymore.
Why you spamming this room whit your vision all the time?
Do you want buy for cheap?

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:36:11 PM

Quote from: Enjorlas on March 28, 2017, 05:30:08 PM

My God, he doesn't understand supply and demand yet self identifies as a trader.

I understand very well the supply and demand. But do you understand that there is no reason for a demand ? Other that hoping to sell to a bigger looser ?
I can also come with a token and say 1k tokens in existence ... please buy in ... I promise I will burn half of coins each month ... where is the demand? Just because I promise to burn some of the coins people will jump in and buy ?

No.People will jump in to buy something which they know will appreciate in value after few time.They know they can always sell their ICN at higher price.This will encourage trading of ICN like btc.Why do most traders buy btc?obviously to sell it at higher price same will work for ICN now.Buy sell buy sell and make profit each time

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:32:51 PM

Quote from: Mendeleev on March 28, 2017, 05:27:01 PM

Like I say though, no point arguing with others here if you've made up your own mind. We'll go our way, and they'll go their way.

It's all good.

Its not all good. This is why most crypto related business have a scammy image.
You know SDC coin? All people were expecting a big news, price was up ... and then those fuckheads came and said well ... we'll just make a new ICO and bla bla bla ... they fucked people. Just like these guys are doing.
So they transformed a nice innovative token that could've hypothetically generate an income stream into a shitcoin from which you will be able to have profit if you find a bigger looser to buy it from you ... genius.

Apparently there is no consensus here, your vote doesn't count and fuck they burn all your dollars to the ground. So if you wanna sell, sell it now before someone else have a better understanding of this situation dumps his hundred thousands to plummet the price to its grave.

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:25:22 PM

Quote from: Enjorlas on March 28, 2017, 05:16:31 PM

The reason to hold is because the more revenue that Iconomi funds generate, the more ICN will be bought. Does that clear it up princess?

No that does not clean anything. Why do I care how much Iconomi funds generate if I don't get anything from those profits except that they will burn some tokens and that in theory will increase the price of the remain tokens. It all resumes to trusting and hoping that some full will buy the tokens from you at a higher price ... which is something that you can hope at any shitcoin on polo ...

Why hoping that someone will buy them, when there is always Iconomi buying them back at any price? That´s the reason ICN will appreciate in price, even if nobody else comes arround to buy

petricag

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Quote from: Enjorlas on March 28, 2017, 05:30:08 PM

My God, he doesn't understand supply and demand yet self identifies as a trader.

I understand very well the supply and demand. But do you understand that there is no reason for a demand ? Other that hoping to sell to a bigger looser ?
I can also come with a token and say 1k tokens in existence ... please buy in ... I promise I will burn half of coins each month ... where is the demand? Just because I promise to burn some of the coins people will jump in and buy ?

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Knowledge is power

Alright, finally some good news.

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Quote from: Mendeleev on March 28, 2017, 05:27:01 PM

Like I say though, no point arguing with others here if you've made up your own mind. We'll go our way, and they'll go their way.

It's all good.

Its not all good. This is why most crypto related business have a scammy image.
You know SDC coin? All people were expecting a big news, price was up ... and then those fuckheads came and said well ... we'll just make a new ICO and bla bla bla ... they fucked people. Just like these guys are doing.
So they transformed a nice innovative token that could've hypothetically generate an income stream into a shitcoin from which you will be able to have profit if you find a bigger looser to buy it from you ... genius.

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:25:22 PM

Quote from: Enjorlas on March 28, 2017, 05:16:31 PM

The reason to hold is because the more revenue that Iconomi funds generate, the more ICN will be bought. Does that clear it up princess?

No that does not clean anything. Why do I care how much Iconomi funds generate if I don't get anything from those profits except that they will burn some tokens and that in theory will increase the price of the remain tokens. It all resumes to trusting and hoping that some full will buy the tokens from you at a higher price ... which is something that you can hope at any shitcoin on polo ...

My God, he doesn't understand supply and demand yet self identifies as a trader.

Mendeleev

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:21:12 PM

Quote from: Mendeleev on March 28, 2017, 05:13:10 PM

Petricag, have you sold your ICN? Or are you planning to?
Not trying to be rude, but I wouldn't bother hanging around to convince others of why this is a bad idea, if you're out yourself.
Best to let others decide on their own.
(Also, I am genuinely curious if you've sold, or if you're just hoping someone can convince you to hold)

I am a trader. Sold last time when got near 50k, bought back at 26k, sold some now at 50k again ... what is the relevance?
Some guys that said one thing in order to gather a lot of money are just constantly changing the rules of the game. And your problem is if I have or not and how much I have? Really? Why not just use arguments if you feel the need to discuss?
I will be out for sure after the big pump from Polo ... would be nice to see valid arguments to convince me that this is a good idea what is happening ... but unfortunately I see a very strong lake of arguments.
This guy (snkns) on redit here https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/620clj/iconomi_introduces_repayment_programme/ its having some really valid concerns and seems that nobody comes to argue against ...

Sorry mate, I should have been more clear. I'm out too. So I have no arguments for you Tongue

I was just wondering where you stood.

Like I say though, no point arguing with others here if you've made up your own mind. We'll go our way, and they'll go their way.

It's all good.

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Quote from: Enjorlas on March 28, 2017, 05:16:31 PM

The reason to hold is because the more revenue that Iconomi funds generate, the more ICN will be bought. Does that clear it up princess?

No that does not clean anything. Why do I care how much Iconomi funds generate if I don't get anything from those profits except that they will burn some tokens and that in theory will increase the price of the remain tokens. It all resumes to trusting and hoping that some full will buy the tokens from you at a higher price ... which is something that you can hope at any shitcoin on polo ...

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Quote from: Mendeleev on March 28, 2017, 05:13:10 PM

Petricag, have you sold your ICN? Or are you planning to?
Not trying to be rude, but I wouldn't bother hanging around to convince others of why this is a bad idea, if you're out yourself.
Best to let others decide on their own.
(Also, I am genuinely curious if you've sold, or if you're just hoping someone can convince you to hold)

I am a trader. Sold last time when got near 50k, bought back at 26k, sold some now at 50k again ... what is the relevance?
Some guys that said one thing in order to gather a lot of money are just constantly changing the rules of the game. And your problem is if I have or not and how much I have? Really? Why not just use arguments if you feel the need to discuss?
I will be out for sure after the big pump from Polo ... would be nice to see valid arguments to convince me that this is a good idea what is happening ... but unfortunately I see a very strong lake of arguments.
This guy (snkns) on redit here https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/620clj/iconomi_introduces_repayment_programme/ its having some really valid concerns and seems that nobody comes to argue against ...

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:12:41 PM

Quote from: ghatts on March 28, 2017, 05:03:01 PM

The iconomi platform is an investment platform where they use the money you invest to do whatever, and you receive returns. Since cryptos are so volatile this also means you can have big swings, but also super low dips.

I am talking about cashing out your ICN for ETH, then giving ETH to the iconomi platform under your account and receiving returns that way.

Cashing out ICN means selling your tokens ... why would I give my ETH to iconomi platform? Receive what returns? If I wanted to have profit from trading I would've just trade on my own.
Basically now there is no incentive to keep your ICN ... people will just sell and invest in the fund on the hypothetical platform / index. Again ... why would I buy this token even at 10k sats? Only for speculating on a price increase ?

The reason to hold is because the more revenue that Iconomi funds generate, the more ICN will be bought. Does that clear it up princess?

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 05:06:36 PM

In the end, if no dividends ... why would anyone invest in this token ?
Because of the belief that the price will increase endlessly ? That is just stupid. That is the definition of ponzi schema, in which your profit comes from hoping that some one else will buy from you at a higher price that what you have payed. You can try your luck with a lot of coins on Polo if that is the "business" model.

Petricag, have you sold your ICN? Or are you planning to?

Not trying to be rude, but I wouldn't bother hanging around to convince others of why this is a bad idea, if you're out yourself.

Best to let others decide on their own.

(Also, I am genuinely curious if you've sold, or if you're just hoping someone can convince you to hold)

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Quote from: ghatts on March 28, 2017, 05:03:01 PM

The iconomi platform is an investment platform where they use the money you invest to do whatever, and you receive returns. Since cryptos are so volatile this also means you can have big swings, but also super low dips.

I am talking about cashing out your ICN for ETH, then giving ETH to the iconomi platform under your account and receiving returns that way.

Cashing out ICN means selling your tokens ... why would I give my ETH to iconomi platform? Receive what returns? If I wanted to have profit from trading I would've just trade on my own.
Basically now there is no incentive to keep your ICN ... people will just sell and invest in the fund on the hypothetical platform / index. Again ... why would I buy this token even at 10k sats? Only for speculating on a price increase ?

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Quote from: petricag on March 28, 2017, 04:31:48 PM

With burning coins, maybe the price of each ICN would get higher (its no guaranty about this), but in order for you to actually use those gains you would need to diminish your amount of ICN and in the end have none. So, if the project its a success you will be able to actually enjoy the gains only by getting out of the project.

No!!!

ICONOMI burning coins INCREASES YOUR PROPORTIONAL SHARE in the ICN tokens that are left. If you then choose to go and sell just enough coins at the theoretical slightly-higher price to PUT ONLY THE TRANSMITTED PROFIT IN YOUR POCKET, then the coins you have left represent the SAME PROPORTIONAL SHARE IN THE ICONOMI PROJECT that you had before the burn / profit distribution.

IF you correctly limit your personal ICN token sales after a burn / profit transmission, THEN you maintain a constant proportional level of ownership in overall ICN tokens PLUS you put profit from the ICONOMI project in your pocket.

BURNING PROFIT ICN NEVER FORCES ANYBODY OUT OF THE ICONOMI PROJECT.

THE KEY METRIC IS NOT HOW MANY TOKENS YOU HOLD - IT IS MAINTAINING A CONSTANT PROPORTIONAL OWNERSHIP IN THE PROJECT.

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Get ready for all the fud posts from people who do not understand economics.

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Oh Gosh.Now I repent my decision not to buy more ICN during low price Cry

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