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sr. member
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April 13, 2020, 01:43:47 AM
#49
Some low rank bounty managers "Newbie or Jr Members" seem dont care about the reputation of their accounts when managing bounty. They allow cheater to occur on bounty they manage, especially on social media campaigns such as "Twitter and Facebook". Lack of manager attention to user registration allows people to cheat in various ways in campaigns. As I got it today Cheater bounty hunters found.

I hope we can find a solution for cases like this, and if not, maybe there will be many users who are harmed by fraudsters. POA which is proof that someone joined the original account can still be manipulated by fraudsters by sending other users POA posts when filling out forms.


Hiring an experienced manager could be the best solution until. Most of this  "Newbie or Jr Members" accounts you are pointing to are somewhat cheating on there own bounty budget mostly by managing the bounties by themself with less experience or with the only motive of marketing without understanding the rules around.
hero member
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April 13, 2020, 12:41:55 AM
#48
Some low rank bounty managers "Newbie or Jr Members" seem dont care about the reputation of their accounts when managing bounty. They allow cheater to occur on bounty they manage, especially on social media campaigns such as "Twitter and Facebook". Lack of manager attention to user registration allows people to cheat in various ways in campaigns. As I got it today Cheater bounty hunters found.
What do you expect from them, people without any experience? I even believe that they are cheaters in the campaign they run. Nothing is easier than cheating on your own campaign. The projects behind that also don't seem to care about what's going on. In general, they are a chain of bullshit that resonates with each other. A true project will place more importance on recruiting members than anything, new people are never accepted there. Just ignore all that rubbish  Wink
legendary
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April 12, 2020, 10:33:51 AM
#47
Some low rank bounty managers "Newbie or Jr Members" seem dont care about the reputation of their accounts when managing bounty. They allow cheater to occur on bounty they manage, especially on social media campaigns such as "Twitter and Facebook". Lack of manager attention to user registration allows people to cheat in various ways in campaigns. As I got it today Cheater bounty hunters found.

I hope we can find a solution for cases like this, and if not, maybe there will be many users who are harmed by fraudsters. POA which is proof that someone joined the original account can still be manipulated by fraudsters by sending other users POA posts when filling out forms.
Vod
legendary
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April 09, 2020, 08:41:55 PM
#46
If you don't return my PMs, you have to wait like everyone else.   Wink
Which PM did I overlook?

Well, sent to you on Apr 4, but I never really asked a question, so there was no need to reply.  Smiley
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April 09, 2020, 02:41:00 PM
#45
That known alt thread looks a bit complicated, and it is fairly long. I own JetCash .com, and when I get a more comfortable connection, I'll list my alts on a page there. Any account that purports to be me, but isn't listed on that page, will be a scam. I'll start a thread that just lists alts, and doesn't include any comment or discussion posts, this should make it easier to check for admitted alts.

Detailed is the word I would have used - not sure why you would want to reinvent the wheel.  There is a search box function at the top of each page of the forum - you can quickly search for any user listed in any of the three threads quite quickly.  (There are other ways of searching for user info, but you must have missed them when you skimmed over the complicated information).

As to going off site to find information - yeh, people have tried that in the past...




Free plug for the original and best:

Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III
hero member
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April 09, 2020, 05:28:49 AM
#44
Possibly. But usually that happens with bounty spammers who spam millions of Facebook and Twitter links for some worthless tokens. Honestly, I gave up caring if they "cheat" the campaign that produces so much spam and only wants to sell their worthless tokens.
It is the general condition of all altcoin projects  Cheesy I was very interested in altcoins in 2017 and before, but after participating in a series of bullshit projects, I ignored all of them  Roll Eyes If I remember correctly, I have more than 50 shit coins in my wallet, 5% of them are valuable on the exchanges, but the prices are very low. The rest are just meaningless symbols  Roll Eyes But undoubtedly fraudulent projects continue to exist now and in the future, spammers will still be there to help them advertise their project by spamming  Cheesy
legendary
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April 09, 2020, 03:20:12 AM
#43
If you don't return my PMs, you have to wait like everyone else.   Wink
Which PM did I overlook?

If one account signs address A and the other signs address B and then we ever see coins moving from A to B it's a good indication of alt accounts.
I'd say that's a good indication of a trade taking place Wink
But if they participate regularly in multiple campaigns together and all the received coins are transferred to the same address, is it another good sign? It also says that they cheated, right?
Possibly. But usually that happens with bounty spammers who spam millions of Facebook and Twitter links for some worthless tokens. Honestly, I gave up caring if they "cheat" the campaign that produces so much spam and only wants to sell their worthless tokens.
legendary
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April 09, 2020, 01:56:48 AM
#42
That known alt thread looks a bit complicated, and it is fairly long. I own JetCash .com, and when I get a more comfortable connection, I'll list my alts on a page there. Any account that purports to be me, but isn't listed on that page, will be a scam. I'll start a thread that just lists alts, and doesn't include any comment or discussion posts, this should make it easier to check for admitted alts.
legendary
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April 09, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
#41
Wouldn't KYC make alt accounts more valuable?

Well, technically if all accounts are valued more, but alts since they wouldn't be able to "double" kyc, it would make them less valuable. Right?

Of course you would have to pass a KYC every few weeks to avoid account sale. I totally see this happening  Grin
Vod
legendary
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April 09, 2020, 12:44:06 AM
#40
KYC?



Wouldn't KYC make alt accounts more valuable?  The more verification, the more you can sell it for.
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April 08, 2020, 11:16:16 PM
#39
If one account signs address A and the other signs address B and then we ever see coins moving from A to B it's a good indication of alt accounts.
I'd say that's a good indication of a trade taking place Wink
But if they participate regularly in multiple campaigns together and all the received coins are transferred to the same address, is it another good sign? It also says that they cheated, right?
I don't tag users based on one of them posting the other's address, and I recommend others not to do it either. I sometimes ask myself: could this be done to my account without my knowledge? If the answer is yes, the evidence is no real evidence and whoever is blamed should get the benefit of the doubt.
I tend to agree with you on this matter  Cheesy considering all the factors that are needed to make the right decision, the connected account is not bad for tagged, but using the connected account for fraud is bad, can't cover up. It's hard to find common ground in this matter  Roll Eyes
Vod
legendary
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April 08, 2020, 09:58:07 PM
#38
But the better solution is to build a system where alt accounts have no value.
How?

If you don't return my PMs, you have to wait like everyone else.   Wink

I'd glad most have the knowledge that a simple copy/paste of an address is proof of nothing; the same as copy/paste of any information.  I'm sure the community will react the proper way if an accusation ever comes up.  

(One of the many reasons I'm trying to use vanity generated wallet addresses for the various SigCamps I've signed up for)

Missed this one.   That is a bad idea, since it helps people assume it is you, with something you cannot control.  You are fighting ignorance of newbies here - they won't know a vanity address is something anyone can generate.
legendary
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April 08, 2020, 10:11:31 AM
#37
But the better solution is to build a system where alt accounts have no value.
How? One solution would be to make sure all accounts have no value, but that goes against the forum's mission to be "as free as possible". Another solution would be KYC, but that's not going to happen any time soon either.
I haven't seen any other forum in which alt accounts were a problem, or even a thing people used for that matter. Bitcointalk is different than any other forum I've ever seen in so many ways, and in general that's a good thing.

If one account signs address A and the other signs address B and then we ever see coins moving from A to B it's a good indication of alt accounts.
I'd say that's a good indication of a trade taking place Wink



I don't tag users based on one of them posting the other's address, and I recommend others not to do it either. I sometimes ask myself: could this be done to my account without my knowledge? If the answer is yes, the evidence is no real evidence and whoever is blamed should get the benefit of the doubt.
legendary
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April 08, 2020, 06:13:09 AM
#36
Sorry, let me rephrase.

If one account signs address A and the other signs address B and then we ever see coins moving from A to B it's a good indication of alt accounts.

No.

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Again, this is where technology will help.  Like the plagiarism bot, a good algorithm can detect alt accounts from many years ago.  Unlike the plagiarism bot, the results won't prove harm, and will need to be reviewed.

OK, even I'm lost on what you are asking on this one...

If user Alice signs wallet address 1aaaa... and also signs wallet address 1bbbb... and then user Bob posts that wallet address, then it's a sure sign that Bob is Alice.  If Bob is asked to sign wallet 1b... but can't then Bob is using Alice's wallet address to impersonate them.  If Bob *can* sign 1bbbb... then Bob is Alice.



If user Alice signs wallet address 1aaaa... and Bob signs wallet address 1bbbb... then they could send Crypto to each other all day long and it doesn't prove anything except maybe they have satoshis to burn on TX fees.



IF on the other hand Alice signs wallet address 1aaaa... and Bob signs wallet address 1bbbb... and then BOTH wallets are in the send side of a TX - then that proves Alice and Bob are alts as they are using wallet addresses from the same wallet.

e.g.

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tx 123456789

output

wallet address 1aaaa... BTC 0.999
wallet address 1bbbb... BTC 0.001

sends to wallet address 3cccc... BTC 1.0

The only way both wallet addresses can be a part of the outgoing transaction is if they are part of the same wallet.
Vod
legendary
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April 06, 2020, 05:53:29 PM
#35
There are ways to prove alt accounts, like if both accounts sign the same address, or one that was ever used to transfer coins between them.

But the better solution is to build a system where alt accounts have no value.  

Why would transfer of coins prove alts?

Sorry, let me rephrase.

If one account signs address A and the other signs address B and then we ever see coins moving from A to B it's a good indication of alt accounts.

Again, this is where technology will help.  Like the plagiarism bot, a good algorithm can detect alt accounts from many years ago.  Unlike the plagiarism bot, the results won't prove harm, and will need to be reviewed.
legendary
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April 06, 2020, 03:24:47 PM
#34
Honestly Vod, I have shared this thought too and you're correct to the last letter. This is a dangerous time and tide we live in with scammers and blood letting goons everywhere.

Although this is slightly different — At a time in the past I made a suggestion on an Altcoin thread to BM to help curb cheating and scamming. It was simple - BM should ask all participants to update their profiles with their wallet address and then update their spreadsheets from that address. That way, scammers won't he able to use other people's accounts for social media tasks.
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April 06, 2020, 12:31:58 PM
#33
Malboroza was correct when he responded to the claim about his alt zorrobeck

That person hasn't posted in this thread - where are you quoting from?  Please elaborate on your/his claim.
copper member
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April 06, 2020, 10:52:43 AM
#32
I can assure you that what you describe has happened years ago, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it continues to happen. Luckily, in the above case, the imposter made a mistake, although that could have been by design.

One way to prevent yourself from falling for this is to confirm that whatever was received was valuable and was actually spent. The order addresses were posted may allow you to rule out an impostor. Someone trying to attract attention is a good indicator they are an imposter.

You really need to think critically when deciding if a posted addresses is evidence that two accounts are alts.
hero member
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April 06, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
#31
_snip_
Basically your question is a follow-up clue that clarifies the evidence that the account is connected after OP question about posting the same address even though it's not the owner.

Not all, but most have been proven. Therefore it's necessary to track their transaction history. Their wallet ever accepts or stores altcoins that are at least 80% the same and transfers all of them to one another or collects several altcoins to one main wallet/exchange with the aim of making it easier to sell.

Proof will be stronger if they surrender (not oppose) the accusations or reg tag they have received.
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April 06, 2020, 07:11:02 AM
#30
Proof of alt doesn't exist

There are ways to prove alt accounts, like if both accounts sign the same address, or one that was ever used to transfer coins between them.

But the better solution is to build a system where alt accounts have no value. 

Why would transfer of coins prove alts?

It would be unusual for alts to sign to prove they were alts unless they intended to prove that
Malboroza was correct when he responded to the claim about his alt zorrobeck
That unless you have video evidence of him posting from both accounts then he would not entertain the claim.
Even then you have twins?
Deep fakes
Siamese twin holding a basket ball high on his chest slightly off to the right hand side
Genuine multiple personalities unaware of their " friends "

That was just a joke but certainly posted address is very very weak sauce and easily faked.
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