Topic: Identifying alts using posted addresses - page 2. (Read 878 times)

Many thanks for recommending the Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List ^{Mk III} thread - yes indeed you are welcome to post your alt connections there using our custom made Submission Form.

The Known Alts thread is an opportunity for users to identify their own alts, or alts of others and potentially alert others when there are scams that have occurred by those alts.  You won't be given negative trust feedback simply for having an alt as it's a widely accepted practice such as myself having a "mobile" alt.  And, for people launching crypto/games/casino etc and want a brand name for their launch.

It does not totally fit your needs but maybe you can use it. Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q2)

Is there a thread where we can list all of our alts in one post? I know individual accounts can be posted in the rep section, but maybe it would be useful if we had a reference section with a primary account listing all publicly admitted alts.

I always take this into account. I don't believe the indicator should be the primary source of evidence of 2 (or more) accounts being connected. It can be secondary, but not primary. Posting style is arguably more effective in providing proof IMO.

A combination of the two and I would probably believe that a connection exists.

There are ways to prove alt accounts, like if both accounts sign the same address, or one that was ever used to transfer coins between them.

But the better solution is to build a system where alt accounts have no value. 

I would totally believe jt was you.
You have promoted scams before
Atriz admitted knowingly spamming for a scam and wanted to get paid so stuck with it. You and he traded 50 merit chunks for spamming the same shit project.

So your arguement does not hold water atrix. Lol

Yes this can happen and can be a huge problem.

There is no proof of alt  you can never prove it is the same person.  Even style analysis can be reverse engineered to provide strong match. Copying same receive address is of course simple

Proof of alt doesn't exist

I've thought about it before, but it doesn't seem to be a big deal since many people here have a lot of experience in detecting connected accounts, so I did not ask about it. There are many factors to consider whether two accounts are connected to each other? It was mentioned above, so I will not repeat. The problem is that even though the accounts are proven to be interconnected, it is still not important, no problem (I have never agreed with this opinion, but I have to admit it). The most concrete example I've ever had, the connection between RapTarX and Little Mouse, it has been proved. But nothing happened to them, no negative trust, nothing. Many agree that as long as the two accounts are not cheat on the same signature campaign, it is not cheating, and one person has the right to use the two accounts to participate in two different signature campaigns   It means the connected accounts are still safe  

We go to another case, suppose the user makes a connection between the two accounts deliberately with a sub account, then participates in the same signature campaign with the person they hate. It can also happen, but at a very low rate. Signature campaigns require certain ranks, in my opinion the lowest is Full member is necessary. No one will waste a Full member account just to sabotage others, the value of Full member is not small to waste when the merit system has worked very well. Even if someone defies to make, nothing to be sure because we can still consider other factors. So I believe this is not a big problem if this forum really works in a fair way  

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Hit me if I'm wrong somewhere   it took me more than 5 minutes to present it

So far I haven't seen any cases where a member got tagged solely just because the other user have posted the same address as he was, I always see additional evidences such us the same Telegram account, addresses are connected to one wallet, same date of registration, same topics being posted, same bounties being joined but just tagging a member and another account with just the same address alone shouldn't be enough to convince any DT member to tag those accounts this wouldn't really be fair for the member if he is being framed for something. Also if they are guilty you'll see the common answers like "we are a group of family","we are friends" so these types of alibis are a sure red flag of what a bounty cheater says.

Revenge knows no boundaries. Some high-rank could always go through great lengths such as creating a new account using a VPN on another device.

I have also some confusion about this issue. And sometimes I have investigated mine by own. so that I can report it to the community. Because It's really possible to do by some bad person who does not like me. But I think no high-rank member will do it. Most of the cases it might be done by some shady and red trusted members.

When I stared off here, I did some (small amount of) monkeying around with airdrops and bounties. I recall using other’s people’s posts as a template, by copying their post and replacing the data with mine. At one point I did not replace the ETH address, and although it didn’t take me long to see the mistake, chances are that there are quite a few that will follow the monkey see monkey do routine, and leave some of the data unedited on the post they copied from someone else and used it as a template.

Probably recurrence using the same linking social accounts or addresses should be taken into account to link Bitcointalk accounts. A one-off is not really heavy proof.

That has actually occurred in the past (mainly in the ^{Mk I} and ^{Mk II} Known Alts threads) - users were slapped with DT1 negative trust and then "asked" to post a signed message with the wallet address that was used.  No signed message = scammer & Red Paint ^TM sticks.  I can't recall the last time it occurred, but it's always on the cards.

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(One of the many reasons I'm trying to use vanity generated wallet addresses for the various SigCamps I've signed up for)

Actually very easy, and you don't even need machine learning.

Remove the quotes, separate post into an  space delimited array and then find the values that match the string parameters.


Thanks old timer.  I built it, but IB gave it life and credibility with a design and then SM helped out with issues I couldn't solve quickly.  I've posted this before but it's nice to see everything calculating properly again. 


Yeah, they all say that. 

Here is a recent thread where one user is asking why he got banned because he didn't do anything wrong.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/account-banned-no-reason-need-help-with-an-explanation-5238000

Turns out he has at least 6-7 additional alt accounts based on the connection that was made between the ETH addresses that were used. He claims one account is not his, another one belongs to his girlfriend, and for the rest...well he was set up and framed. Quite an interesting read.  

Stop sig. spam posting. I have answered the same together with Royse777.

On the other hand, identifying alts with connection of addresses can go wrong also. For example, I have not participated in Mb8coin bounty but I have purchased some from bounty hunters before listing. Now, if I had participated in the bounty and received coins from them too in the same address, would you call me bounty cheater? Not necessarily but that's the truth. Connected in address = Bounty cheater which sometimes is not the case. Posting an address should not be the only case to call someone  bounty cheater but that can be one of some other criteria.

In cases like this have happened, account A took the address and profile of another person, posting to various campaigns.
Example:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54127767

But it can be seen from the campaign Spreadsheet, when the prize manager does not accept both of them or account A only posts the Application once, after which it disappears.
And the main account can give red/neutral if it's not the main Alt account.

For example: Account A takes someone else's et address and slanders in various campaigns / fraud.

If trading: I exchange xxx coins with account B.

It is known here that the account has a trading relationship or takes someone else's eth address.

Different, if viewed from the results of different campaign tokens sent to the same address, but different accounts, that is clearly an Alt account.

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There are actually three options to resolve your doubt vod.

In detecting them the same person (one user) Alt, native.
One:
Prepare a Spreadsheet sheet, to prove they are Alt connected.

1. Example: Spreadsheet: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54031548

Here uses a different address.
That is: address A is used in a different campaign by an Alt account, to most they use one or two addresses, but those who use the same Alt remain.

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2. The second:
Blockhain: etherscan.io/address: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54091574

Here proves they send coins to the same address round and round and continue to do day after day.

of course additional evidence is needed: telegram, twitter, facebook etc.

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After all this was published with accurate evidence, they appeared and said: that was my grandmother, my aunt, my wife, my sister-in-law, etc.

Done.

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If the Alt account that is blocked is driven by this rule:


Example; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54081311
Instead they create even more. While the rules are clear.

Some people obey, some ignore their meanings: missing one grows a thousand, a silly saying used by many militaries.
And don't forget again your Bpip is very helpful in this case, you are a genius.

If you care for your health, then this is not the wisest decision. You're welcome to the party.

Perhaps from now on I will try to follow the reputation board a little more than before. :-D

Correct, but I am talking about cases where we were really wrong in the end (this is a subset of the set of all the times we were wrong because this includes cases that we do not know about). Sometimes they are inconclusive sure, but I would not doubt its superb accuracy (is far from perfect, but no tool is perfect). We make use of what little we are given here.