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Topic: If bitcoin according to Satoshi is digital money then why call it investment. (Read 691 times)

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Bitcoin was meant to be digital money, but it's become more than that - it's like an investment opportunity too.

People saw its potential and started buyin' and holdin' it, hopin' it'd go up in value. So now, it's like a cool combo of digital cash and a way to potentially grow your dough! Embrace the versatility and remember, whatever you call it, it's all about makin' smart moves and enjoyin' the crypto ride.
It have turned to be an investment opportunity through its growth. Initially it wasn't that high in value. The mere giveaway token started to get value as people started using it. In specific the Pizza guy gave it the value and then onwards the transition from the transaction source it also got importance as investment.
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Bitcoin was meant to be digital money, but it's become more than that - it's like an investment opportunity too.

People saw its potential and started buyin' and holdin' it, hopin' it'd go up in value. So now, it's like a cool combo of digital cash and a way to potentially grow your dough! Embrace the versatility and remember, whatever you call it, it's all about makin' smart moves and enjoyin' the crypto ride.
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Despite the fact that this currency was created with a specific intention, it has evolved to such a degree that people have given it different uses that allow them to take advantage of it, such as investments that, despite the fact that they take time, bring about an increase in earnings. Now, if Satoshi had wanted the utility of bitcoin to be restricted, he would have founded this asset in a different way, so that its delimitation was fulfilled, but he left it free for users to experiment and use it at their convenience so despite the fact that he expressed his intention he let bitcoin grow in his own way.

Bitcoin being on the free market only means one thing... it will be govern by the supply and demand thus create volatility on the price value of Bitcoin.  That alone have shifted or added the feature to Bitcoin as an investment because people will definitely put money to the market in order for them to take advantage of volatility and earn profit from it.  It was unintentional but it so happen that Bitcoin being initially planned as currency had acquired the feature of an investment.

And, anyway, if we think about how bitcoin is currently being used, i could say that it continues to fulfill the original purpose for which it was invented, since it continues to be decentralized and brings benefits to people by not having any that entity can control this active.

I also agree, Bitcoin is used as a mode of payment.  It is that due to the characteristics of its market, it is also labeled as a good form of investment and at the same time labeled as commodity by some countries.
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I think that anything can be called an investment, as long as you are putting your money into it in the first place. This also includes other things like other currencies, because the value of those currencies also fluctuate in price. In other words, anything that you should consider "investments" are things that can change their price in time and with developmental events. If I were to invest my money into Bitcoin directly by buying it or by investing in mining equipment and mining costs that come with the mining of Bitcoin, the term for that investment would still fall under the category of a Bitcoin investment. Because either way, I would be at risk of my Bitcoin or Bitcoin mining rigs to fall prey to a change in value. Say the mining rigs break, or Bitcoin falls in value. Those are both dynamic values, therefore considered "investments".

Even holding onto fiat for years without doing anything with it, is a form of investment. You are investing that your fiat does not drop in value from inflation. But that is a dumb investment, albeit one that was not actively made.

That is how I see it. Maybe financial regulatory institutions have a different way to categorize investments... Grin
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Despite the fact that this currency was created with a specific intention, it has evolved to such a degree that people have given it different uses that allow them to take advantage of it, such as investments that, despite the fact that they take time, bring about an increase in earnings. Now, if Satoshi had wanted the utility of bitcoin to be restricted, he would have founded this asset in a different way, so that its delimitation was fulfilled, but he left it free for users to experiment and use it at their convenience so despite the fact that he expressed his intention he let bitcoin grow in his own way.

And, anyway, if we think about how bitcoin is currently being used, i could say that it continues to fulfill the original purpose for which it was invented, since it continues to be decentralized and brings benefits to people by not having any that entity can control this active.
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Though what you say is right but having unrealistic expectations is not good in my opinion. Expecting to gain 10x on a Bitcoin investment right now or after it enters the bull run will be a lot to expect, one could easily get 10x or even more if they had invested in Bitcoin when it was still at its early stages, maybe even when it was priced below $10k, but expecting that much now, when the price is already around $30k and it was even higher, might only bring disappointment in the long run.
Why are you not optimistic about the price potential bitcoin will reach when the bull run season arrives?
Many people are optimistic about the future of bitcoin and that includes its impending high price. 10x of $30k is $300k, it can be reached when the demand for bitcoin becomes higher for some reason. Imagine if a bitcoin ETF was approved, are you sure $300k won't be surpassed?

A realistic and achievable target should be maybe about 3x or something because even if goes 3x up from here, it will be priced at around $90k which is achievable if there are a lot of investments during the bull run which will pump the price further and it might hit that target eventually during the bull run.
If we talk about the next 1-2 years, then 3x is realistic to achieve. But if you're talking about the next 4-6 years, $300k is realistic. ATH is only a matter of time, but of course it also depends on how this bitcoin develops among its users.

I believe after the halving in 2024 we will get bitcoin going high to break through its new ATH. Of course we don't know exactly how high the new ATH is, but it's probably 3x to 4x the previous ATH.
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We are the ones who made Bitcoin an investment asset. Everything that has value is decided based on demand and supply. with less supply, the value will increase. The same happened with Bitcoin. Limited supply but the demand is increasing every day. The people who own it, to exchange it for items, put the value with the US dollar. Don't think about it too much. According to Satoshi 1 Bitcoin will always remain 1 Bitcoin. As long as people understand it, the value will do nothing. But people love to make money. And Bitcoin market being so volatile allows them to do it.

Bitcoin was meant to be a decentralized peer-to-peer digital transaction money. It still is, but people are using it for other usage too. Like investment assets. So it does not matter whether someone calls it digital money or an investment plan, Bitcoin will always be Bitcoin. Use it the way you like it. That's all.
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The analysis is obviously nicely done however you forgot that why we have ended up with investment question mark? This started with some minds who took the opportunity of Bitcoin possession as Store Value and then later turned it into investment opportunities. How? Well they formed exchanges. They told the world they can trade the Bitcoin just like you would do trading of real world commodities. Then they also brought in various ways to grow your bitcoin. For example putting them in cold wallet with #% interest. Just like you would do with your savings bank account. This way, they injected the market with Bitcoin Investment ways and that’s how we ended up with it.
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I believe Satoshi Nakamoto the sole originator of the bitcoin knows much better than everyone why he invented the bitcoin and I also would be looking forward to his reappearance be it pseudo anonymous or otherwise to making some notable observations on the bitcoin journey so far.

I think the original vision of Satoshi for Bitcoin as being a digital currency is still at play since Bitcoin is still being used as digital payment for various services online. People that consider it an investment is looking at the speculation side of what will be the future demand of Bitcoin as future payment. The end goal for Bitcoin is still to become a digital currency. It's value is just increasing since mass adoption still not reach which makes people use it as an investment for now until it becomes a global currency that can replace fiat.
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Bitcoin is an asset that allows its holders to earn huge returns due to the very high market demand. Its price volatility allows you to make multiple profits instead of using it as a means of payment. Of course it's fine if you don't make bitcoins as an investment asset, but you may miss the opportunity to get a return from its price volatility.

Bitcoin is traded around the clock and it would definitely be a great value added asset to have. While some users consider it digital gold, it's because of how the market works just like any other investment asset.
Bitcoin is originally designed to a be a digital currency. However, since it’s adoption is still in the process, people are free to use it as an investment knowing it can give us massive returns everytime it’s value surges high and reaches another peak price. Through long term hodling and trading, bitcoin can give us 10x profits as long as we’re aware when would be its best time to sell, and that is when it’s price has reached its all time high.
Though what you say is right but having unrealistic expectations is not good in my opinion. Expecting to gain 10x on a Bitcoin investment right now or after it enters the bull run will be a lot to expect, one could easily get 10x or even more if they had invested in Bitcoin when it was still at its early stages, maybe even when it was priced below $10k, but expecting that much now, when the price is already around $30k and it was even higher, might only bring disappointment in the long run.

A realistic and achievable target should be maybe about 3x or something because even if goes 3x up from here, it will be priced at around $90k which is achievable if there are a lot of investments during the bull run which will pump the price further and it might hit that target eventually during the bull run.
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Anything is an investment, honestly when I first learn about crypto or study crypto the first thing that goes in my mind was forex trading.
And even when I am explaining crypto or Bitcoin to other I still used forex to make it easier for them, I compare crypto into forex and they would also agree.
The only difference is Bitcoin and other crypto are decentralized while forex are all centralized.
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The use case of bitcoin is a means of payment - but users can always trade it. Bitcoin is a volatile asset - so there is nothing wrong if someone or perhaps most users choose it as an investment asset and trade it. Satoshis may not trade bitcoin - but users are always free to do so to generate profits and long-term returns.

After all trading and investing will also support larger transactions to support bitcoin growing stronger - so it's not wrong for most users to call bitcoin an investment asset.
The use case is the thing that gives it the term investment. The purpose for which Satoshi innovated is to be an alternate to the traditional system followed and to eliminate the middle man. Further the growth and acceptance have made it to be more successful beyond the usage as a transaction source.

Over time bitcoin have turned as a multiple usage asset. It have been used as a transaction source, investment, trading, as currency in exchange for services and it goes on. It is all about the individual person's thought to call it an investment/currency or something else.
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The use case of bitcoin is a means of payment - but users can always trade it. Bitcoin is a volatile asset - so there is nothing wrong if someone or perhaps most users choose it as an investment asset and trade it. Satoshis may not trade bitcoin - but users are always free to do so to generate profits and long-term returns.

After all trading and investing will also support larger transactions to support bitcoin growing stronger - so it's not wrong for most users to call bitcoin an investment asset.
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Bitcoin can be freely used as a digital money and as a good investment. It’s everyone’s choice where he’ll be more comfortable and he’ll gain more advantage. And as for now, seeing bitcoin as an investment is way more exciting and profitable. But of course you need not to invest if you are still not knowledgeable on how bitcoin works, and if you have still doubts and hesitations on taking its risk.

With the past decade of bitcoin's existence, it evolves to being one of the best digital investments in this market.
Sure, Satoshi had a different use case in mind when he created this currency.
However, who would have thought that this digital currency will pull off and attain such value today?
Early users even had no idea that this will achieve such status today and attract big time companies.
This is why we are enjoying this currency to be an investment today, for one because of its high volatility feature.
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Bitcoin is never limited in its usage. You can used it to pay, to gamble, or even as an investment. And I think bitcoin as an investment is the most profitable option at the moment seeing how it’s high volatility has changed a lot of lives letting them experience their big breaks in crypto. That’s why bitcoin investing or trading have been trending online not only because people want to hype it but also it’s the most effective means today to scam people, especially those who are greedy with money and profits.
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Bitcoin can be freely used as a digital money and as a good investment. It’s everyone’s choice where he’ll be more comfortable and he’ll gain more advantage. And as for now, seeing bitcoin as an investment is way more exciting and profitable. But of course you need not to invest if you are still not knowledgeable on how bitcoin works, and if you have still doubts and hesitations on taking its risk.
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I know you must be wondering what's up with my topic right? I too was having a thought over this and I  felt I should bring it here for discussion so we all can share our own various opinions.

For quite sometime now all I have been seeing is statements and topics of bitcoin being an investment and it bothered me to look into it and I as well stand to be corrected logically and with facts with respect to this conversation.

The sole reason why bitcoin was invented was to serve the purpose of digital money for which it was clearly stated on the white paper by Satoshi Nakamoto as captured below by quote;

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Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System.
    Bitcoin White Paper
If you look at the top page of the while paper, it is clearly written there and there was no captions like investment  attached to it or being mentioned by Satoshi Nakamoto himself. Now I ask how come it deviated to being an investment?. I have read all through the white paper and never saw anything like investment but rather " an electronic peer 2 peer cash payment system" which means bitcoin is money but in a digital way of making payments. So how come it became an investment?

I believe in the course of adding more value to it's existence, whales bought large volume by market manipulation at the early stage of bitcoin inception and those who couldn't stand the market wave sold out giving way for the whales to take over the market and since then along with other occurrence and scenarios,  bitcoin became an investment and store of value aka digital gold as per say as it worked out for the whales according to their schemes. Would it be that easy to correct that notion of bitcoin being called an investment other than money.
When it is used for payment of goods and services on daily basis and we having full custody of our funds in a digital way would it be necessary we calling it an investment aside the price increase which is fluctuating and barely stable for a long time.? I believe Satoshi Nakamoto the sole originator of the bitcoin knows much better than everyone why he invented the bitcoin and I also would be looking forward to his reappearance be it pseudo anonymous or otherwise to making some notable observations on the bitcoin journey so far.



Basing up on WP which it is;
A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online
payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a
financial institution.
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This is actually that Satoshi do really have in mind but for sure he wasnt expecting for the community to have that kind of treatment on making it as an investment because it turns out that
it is really that totally be able to have that kind of opportunity for those who do accumulate do able to make money or really make profits which is something that
a good additional instead on just using it as a digital currency which it did really make out that interest even more or spark out those people around on which
i couldnt really blame them out.
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Bitcoin is originally designed to a be a digital currency. However, since it’s adoption is still in the process, people are free to use it as an investment knowing it can give us massive returns everytime it’s value surges high and reaches another peak price. Through long term hodling and trading, bitcoin can give us 10x profits as long as we’re aware when would be its best time to sell, and that is when it’s price has reached its all time high.
Even if bitcoin has become a globally adopted currency, trading and investing will still be a profitable option for traders and investors. Its price volatility is the reason why investors and traders trade bitcoin, but when the value becomes more stable the trading volume may be lower.

I don't see anything wrong about the usefulness of bitcoin as an investment asset or a traded asset. It is something that is as much possible to do just as one would trade any other currency.
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Bitcoin is an asset that allows its holders to earn huge returns due to the very high market demand. Its price volatility allows you to make multiple profits instead of using it as a means of payment. Of course it's fine if you don't make bitcoins as an investment asset, but you may miss the opportunity to get a return from its price volatility.

Bitcoin is traded around the clock and it would definitely be a great value added asset to have. While some users consider it digital gold, it's because of how the market works just like any other investment asset.
Bitcoin is originally designed to a be a digital currency. However, since it’s adoption is still in the process, people are free to use it as an investment knowing it can give us massive returns everytime it’s value surges high and reaches another peak price. Through long term hodling and trading, bitcoin can give us 10x profits as long as we’re aware when would be its best time to sell, and that is when it’s price has reached its all time high.
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why is bitcoin called the currency of the future because you are free to classify bitcoin according to your needs, if you want to make bitcoin an investment then you just have to buy it now and then hold it for the next few years or until you reach the price you want or if you want being bitcoin as a legal means of payment, you just have to find the seller of the goods you need then negotiate payment via bitcoin with that person, bitcoin is really extraordinary, easy or difficult to understand it depends on each individual.

Truly individual perspective is the force driving the bitcoin and possibly the market as well. Each individual sees bitcoin based on their usability, profit derived and other parameters they have put in place to bitcoin usage and hence some see it as an investment while some see it as a means of digital peer2peer payment system for the sales and purchase of gods and services. This have given bitcoin the stand on which it is today and that would never go down in years to come but rather it would keep growing better and stronger till it is globaly adopted by the organisations and governments of the various countries of the world.
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