If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

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Quote from: knowngunman on February 04, 2024, 06:46:16 AM

Quote from: Stalker22 on February 03, 2024, 04:08:42 PM

As far as I know, theymos was appointed forum admin by satoshi himself. Later, a decision was made to separate the forum from the main bitcoin.org domain and move it to a new one. This decision was reached by consensus among prominent Bitcoin figures like Sirius, Theymos, and some other developers, exchange operators, etc.

You might consider exploring other posts from theymos during that period, such as this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.417531

Well, thank you for that link and some clarification. The link is about the transfer of Forum domain to another and I don't think my question has been properly answered. I bolded some part of your comment which is the genesis of my initial question. I know it doesn't make any difference but if Satoshi himself appointed thymos as the admin, it could mean that thymos knows Satoshi or vice versa. I don't want to believe someone built a platform and all of a sudden, he left everything under the control of total strangers whom he never knew or met and disappeared. I might sound childish but thymos probably know whereabout of Satoshi, either dead or alive.

It was probably not all of a sudden. And as far as I know, theymos was not the only admin on the forum. You will notice that he is one of the oldest members and joined the forum only a few months after the forum was created. So it makes sense that Satoshi chose members who were active members of the community at the time and showed an interest in technology in the earliest days of Bitcoin. This does not necessarily mean that they knew each other or ever met in real life.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:31:19 PM

If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

It's easy, if Satoshi could disappear without anyone knowing then he would know how to come back and how to prove himself

If someone claims to be Satoshi and is busy trying to prove it, he is clearly not Satoshi. Satoshi knew how to disappear and he definitely knew how to come back, if he disappeared without planning it then he would never come back

Whatever Sats does, he should stay the fuck wherever he is.

There is going to be commotion everywhere if he suddenly shows up. And proving his identity isn't going to be easy. It would take years before there is a general agreement. And by that time, the bitcoin market would have collapse. And it wouldn't matter if he signs a message from his PGP key or nothing, there will be commotion every dam place on the earth because of his reappearance.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on February 04, 2024, 04:13:32 AM

Quote from: EFS on February 01, 2024, 11:01:01 PM

First of all Satoshi doesn't need to go back and prove himself.
"Besides opening one of the wallets" no matter what you do I wouldn't believe you are Satoshi. Even if you could sign a message I still wouldn't believe it. You may have his keys but not his identity. I believe Satoshi is long dead, his legacy will forever live.

So you’re saying Satoshi is Hal Finney is what I’m hearing

If not, I don’t get the notion of so many thinking Satoshi is dead. Satoshi plotted its every move with very precise precision.. Satoshi is clearly in to economics in a big way, and I’d bet the moon they planned long before they left, to do so. Every coin besides btc worth a darn or has any sort of market value has a known lead dev/creator/largest bag holder..and that goes against bitcoins principles ( a central figurehead ). Also (not saying this is you) it’s kind of funny that people reference his big known wallet that hasn’t moved as a clue of their demise.. I mean dude(s)(ets) created btc, pretty confident they created wallets, likely mined / purchased a bunch more through different outlets and perhaps different people on all sorts of different wallets..that large wallet sitting there provides a heck of a lot to bitcoins image.

I have my theories as it’s just fun to think about, but I’m glad they left and confident it’s for good..they want to see their massively historical creation continue to grow and thrive..which is helped by him staying gone.

I know theymos, Cyrus, hilarious etc just love these threads that NEVER come up ….so I’m done. Just had to say my 2 Satoshis

In my opinion, if Satoshi really comes back then he doesn't need to do anything and doesn't need to do a sig message to prove who he is, even though he forgot his email and password for his bitcointalk account. He just needs to create a new account and PM theymos and talk a little about the past. I think theymos will soon find out that he is the real satoshi or not. IMO

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Quote from: Stalker22 on February 03, 2024, 04:08:42 PM

As far as I know, theymos was appointed forum admin by satoshi himself. Later, a decision was made to separate the forum from the main bitcoin.org domain and move it to a new one. This decision was reached by consensus among prominent Bitcoin figures like Sirius, Theymos, and some other developers, exchange operators, etc.

You might consider exploring other posts from theymos during that period, such as this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.417531

Well, thank you for that link and some clarification. The link is about the transfer of Forum domain to another and I don't think my question has been properly answered. I bolded some part of your comment which is the genesis of my initial question. I know it doesn't make any difference but if Satoshi himself appointed thymos as the admin, it could mean that thymos knows Satoshi or vice versa. I don't want to believe someone built a platform and all of a sudden, he left everything under the control of total strangers whom he never knew or met and disappeared. I might sound childish but thymos probably know whereabout of Satoshi, either dead or alive.

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Quote from: Marvelman on February 04, 2024, 03:52:18 AM

Quote from: Adbitco on February 04, 2024, 03:15:19 AM

If you must know satoshi would never reveal himself for the safety and security of bitcoin, have you know how long they've been trying to look for him? Yeah it was intentional purpose because his anonymous nature is what gives strength to growth of bitcoin bitcoin today and for that bitcoin would always remain the best among all since government and any agency can't fight it but could fight any other coin out there that doesn't maintain privacy.

With all due respect, I'm not so sure we can say for certain why Satoshi wanted to stay anonymous. You make a fair point that it could have been about keeping Bitcoin decentralized and safe from control. But there may be other reasons too that we just don't know. Satoshi never explained his thinking on all this and he hasn't said anything publicly about why he decided on anonymity. So were left to guess at his motivations based on the limited info we have.

Have you thought of those coin and project they said government have been attacking all these while? Yes it's true that no one's knows the reason for his disappearance but have you also forgotten how they were looking for him and many people where claiming to be satoshi why they are not. Lemme just say, people don't know if satoshi is a group of people or company that is teamed up for building out bitcoin and give a general name as satoshi.

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Quote from: EFS on February 01, 2024, 11:01:01 PM

First of all Satoshi doesn't need to go back and prove himself.
"Besides opening one of the wallets" no matter what you do I wouldn't believe you are Satoshi. Even if you could sign a message I still wouldn't believe it. You may have his keys but not his identity. I believe Satoshi is long dead, his legacy will forever live.

So you’re saying Satoshi is Hal Finney is what I’m hearing

If not, I don’t get the notion of so many thinking Satoshi is dead. Satoshi plotted its every move with very precise precision.. Satoshi is clearly in to economics in a big way, and I’d bet the moon they planned long before they left, to do so. Every coin besides btc worth a darn or has any sort of market value has a known lead dev/creator/largest bag holder..and that goes against bitcoins principles ( a central figurehead ). Also (not saying this is you) it’s kind of funny that people reference his big known wallet that hasn’t moved as a clue of their demise.. I mean dude(s)(ets) created btc, pretty confident they created wallets, likely mined / purchased a bunch more through different outlets and perhaps different people on all sorts of different wallets..that large wallet sitting there provides a heck of a lot to bitcoins image.

I have my theories as it’s just fun to think about, but I’m glad they left and confident it’s for good..they want to see their massively historical creation continue to grow and thrive..which is helped by him staying gone.

I know theymos, Cyrus, hilarious etc just love these threads that NEVER come up ….so I’m done. Just had to say my 2 Satoshis

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Quote from: Adbitco on February 04, 2024, 03:15:19 AM

If you must know satoshi would never reveal himself for the safety and security of bitcoin, have you know how long they've been trying to look for him? Yeah it was intentional purpose because his anonymous nature is what gives strength to growth of bitcoin bitcoin today and for that bitcoin would always remain the best among all since government and any agency can't fight it but could fight any other coin out there that doesn't maintain privacy.

With all due respect, I'm not so sure we can say for certain why Satoshi wanted to stay anonymous. You make a fair point that it could have been about keeping Bitcoin decentralized and safe from control. But there may be other reasons too that we just don't know. Satoshi never explained his thinking on all this and he hasn't said anything publicly about why he decided on anonymity. So were left to guess at his motivations based on the limited info we have.

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Satoshi never had an account at bpip.

What do you mean by that? Bpip doesn't have "accounts", it only aggregates data from the bitcointalk forum.

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If you must know satoshi would never reveal himself for the safety and security of bitcoin, have you know how long they've been trying to look for him? Yeah it was intentional purpose because his anonymous nature is what gives strength to growth of bitcoin bitcoin today and for that bitcoin would always remain the best among all since government and any agency can't fight it but could fight any other coin out there that doesn't maintain privacy.

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Quote from: FinePoine0 on February 03, 2024, 09:36:08 AM

Since Satoshi is now with the secret we assume Satoshi is dead, but the only one who can open the wallet is Satoshi. Satoshi has sunk to the bottom of the deep sea and Satoshi has nothing to prove. The person Satoshi is sure to never look for ways to prove himself. Satoshi Nakamato is busy trying to prove that he's an idiot.

This is not about being idiotic or not, it is all about being neutral, which is why he created a decentralised system so that he himself will not have control over it. I think this is heroic and many would not be able to change it because they would want to be the owner, or at least the big name/figure known with it.

But Satoshi is selfless in this regard and it is a good characteristic. But his decision not to be known is not 100% good for the system, and this is one reason why I would have loved it if he could do it better, or reveal himself for recognition. But I do not think this will ever happen.

Is it dead? I don't think so, he actually hands down purposefully and also made his intention about it known before he hands down.

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Quote from: knowngunman on February 03, 2024, 02:14:16 PM

Does this mean that Satoshi and thymos or other administrative staffs have any form of relationship? I'm just curious! If I am not mistaken, he (Satoshi) created the forum and I don't think anyone will handle anything vital as this forum to a random person and disappear. If he did not personally handle it to them, how did thymos and others assume the leadership role in the forum?

I'm not too good in tech and I don't know how the system operates but something is not clear to me here. I hope I'm not thinking nonsense... I really need some enlightenment.

As far as I know, theymos was appointed forum admin by satoshi himself. Later, a decision was made to separate the forum from the main bitcoin.org domain and move it to a new one. This decision was reached by consensus among prominent Bitcoin figures like Sirius, Theymos, and some other developers, exchange operators, etc.

You might consider exploring other posts from theymos during that period, such as this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.417531

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I think it is widely accepted no matter the evidence someone would present in the future to support their case for being Satoshi Nakamoto, it will not be believed because known addresses can be signed but they can also be compromised too (just as the GMX email address). Also, it is widely accepted Satoshi was more likely a group rather than an individual therefore proving anything will be extremely problematic.

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 07:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

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Quote from: dzungmobile on February 01, 2024, 11:39:38 AM

Satoshi Namamoto left the forum since 2010 and over the years, the forum head administrator was changed from sirius to theymos. Satoshi Nakamoto no longer has access to forum domain, forum administration and his account was even locked by theymos.

He can come back, can get his account back but must sign a message with his PGP key, to prove that he is actual Satoshi Nakamoto. If he succeeds, theymos will unlock his account and maybe he will become a head administrator again.

Before that, he can not do any of three aformentioned points.

Does this mean that Satoshi and thymos or other administrative staffs have any form of relationship? I'm just curious! If I am not mistaken, he (Satoshi) created the forum and I don't think anyone will handle anything vital as this forum to a random person and disappear. If he did not personally handle it to them, how did thymos and others assume the leadership role in the forum?

I'm not too good in tech and I don't know how the system operates but something is not clear to me here. I hope I'm not thinking nonsense... I really need some enlightenment.

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Since Satoshi is now with the secret we assume Satoshi is dead, but the only one who can open the wallet is Satoshi. Satoshi has sunk to the bottom of the deep sea and Satoshi has nothing to prove. The person Satoshi is sure to never look for ways to prove himself. Satoshi Nakamato is busy trying to prove that he's an idiot.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 07:26:11 PM

If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?

Satoshi is not in darkness but rather in light. He sees more than most of us, he could also be involved in BTC more than most of us. He could also be in this forum but the advantage he has is that he won't be receiving countless and spam messages asking him some irrelevant questions. The government is not after him, so he is living the most peaceful life anyone can think.

Quote from: YOSHIE on February 01, 2024, 08:52:40 AM

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 07:26:11 PM

If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

It's an easy and easiest problem for Satoshi to prove himself here.
1. Satoshi has an account here: https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Satoshi, By activating the account, 90% of people here already believe that it is Satoshi.

Only 50% will believe. The rest and including myself will say that theymos activated the account.

Quote from: YOSHIE on February 01, 2024, 08:52:40 AM

2. Satoshi has access to this Forum in all areas, with him deactivating certain discussion boards and moving, eliminating some of the topics here, everyone here already believes it is Satoshi.
3. By creating several new discussion boards, it will be even more certain that Satoshi is real.

These are things that theymos do. So, Satoshi doing them will not prove anything as we will still believe it's theymos that is doing them.

To me, what he needs to do are;

Reappear here
Sign a message with the known keys
Start sending bitcoin to random users in the forum from his known address

But then, all these will not happen.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 02, 2024, 07:04:01 AM

You gave a bad example as you are comparing Satoshi who is anonymous to someone who is not. Fake AI generated videos are still circulating at large while he is still in the public eye. They are not so good now whereas they will be unrecognizable in the coming 10 years. This makes me question why would he leave the limelight that he has now and come back after 10 years only to be part of the limelight again Grin

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That was just an example, it could be anyone else as well not only Elon Musk, but surely if you read it again then you will find that I gave a valid example because these days AI is getting much advance especially the AI where someone can swap another person's face and make it movable.

I know Elon Musk will not leave the limelight but just think if he does then surely many people will try to make his reappearance by using fake AI generated videos. I know Satoshi is anonymous and that's why each time someone claims to be Satoshi while Elon Musk isn't anonymous but man AI is getting smarter each day and those who can use AI can make fake videos of Elon Musk or someone else that disappears just as an example. If I'm not wrong then Jack Ma also disappeared from limelight for many weeks.

I'm sure that in coming 5 years it would be impossible for us to differentiate between AI generated videos and the real ones. The GPU's are getting beefy each year with extra VRAM and graphics power and now with extra AI acceleration. AI based software just love that extra VRAM and with more VRAM the editors who use AI video editing can increase the resolution of the images and that will make face swapping totally look like real.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 07:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

Satoshi Nakamata need not present himself to prove himself, for the Satoshi Nakamato who may be hidden will have ample opportunity to return, but never attempt to prove himself.
Satoshi is someone who has been undercover once and won't try to come back a second time, because even if he does come back he won't be too busy to prove himself. The person currently identified as Satoshi Nakamate still resides in Fool's Paradise.

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Quote from: aioc on February 02, 2024, 09:42:30 AM

Proving is easy he is the only one who holds his private keys and he is the one who creates the whitepaper

You can add access to his account on this forum.

Quote from: aioc on February 02, 2024, 09:42:30 AM

but the much bigger question is why would he need to prove himself

All Faketoshi's first of all try to prove that it is they Satoshi Nakamoto and for this they begin to invent various stories. I believe that if Satoshi ever comes back (which I very much doubt), he will not do any of this. He will just be himself and do what he did before he left.

Quote from: aioc on February 02, 2024, 09:42:30 AM

and why would he come out now, there are dangers if he expose now, from the government from the bad elements and from those who are envious on the amount that is in his wallet.

The main danger is not only this. Satoshi's return will allow him to influence the entire BTC-network and this will be the end of decentralization. This was the essence of his departure.

Quote from: aioc on February 02, 2024, 09:42:30 AM

No security can provide his safety he is too important now more than ever and I don't know a single reason why he needs to expose himself.

He was always very important.

This reason never existed.

If the bitcoin founder ceases to be anonymous, then how anonymous (correction, pseudo-anonymous) can his brainchild be?

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Proving is easy he is the only one who holds his private keys and he is the one who creates the whitepaper there is no document to provide, but the much bigger question is why would he need to prove himself and why would he come out now, there are dangers if he expose now, from the government from the bad elements and from those who are envious on the amount that is in his wallet.
No security can provide his safety he is too important now more than ever and I don't know a single reason why he needs to expose himself.

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Quote from: SamReomo on February 01, 2024, 03:07:05 PM

If someone is Satoshi then he doesn't need to prove that he's Satoshi. Like Elon Musk doesn't needs to prove that he's Elon Musk even if he disappears for 10 years. During that time 100's of people can use Fake AI generated videos by claiming that they're Elon Musk but no one trust them, however when he reappears then he doesn't need to prove that he's the real Elon Musk.

You gave a bad example as you are comparing Satoshi who is anonymous to someone who is not. Fake AI generated videos are still circulating at large while he is still in the public eye. They are not so good now whereas they will be unrecognizable in the coming 10 years. This makes me question why would he leave the limelight that he has now and come back after 10 years only to be part of the limelight again Grin

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 07:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

I have read your responses, and it seems to me that you are intentionally trying to provoke or upset others online, which is commonly referred to as being a troll. I also suspect your account is an alt account as it is evident you know where to post and the way you are replying to replies of forum members. Please remember that Satoshi is long gone and we do not want someone in the forum trying to prove he is Satoshi. We have already seen the drama of faketoshi. None of us are interested in the same show again.

Why don't you come up with an idea to fake the identity of one of the private coin developers? I would love to see that drama as it will keep me more engaged in a discussion than this post of yours will do.

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He created everything that we all know now about Bitcoin so it will be easy for him to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto, he doesn't need to prove to anyone that he is he can come posting in the style that he is accustomed and open his wallet and sign in is just a proof that he is the real Nakamoto.
But he must have a good reason why he wants to come back, there's a lot of risk for him if he shows up now.
The interest on Nakamoto is so high and the value of the Bitcoin he is holding now will put him and his loved ones in danger there are a new breed of hackers and trackers to track him, he should remain a mystery.

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