If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it? - page 3.

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Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

Let us say for a moment for pure speculation ofcourse, that Satoshi was very young when he created BTC. So young that statistically speaking his brain wasn't even fully developed when he first deployed BTC. The human mind isn't fully developed until the age of 25 for most males.

I think you are fantasizing too much about some things that no one can prove anyway. It's completely nonsensical that you claim that Satoshi Nakamoto was genius enough to create Bitcoin, and that he didn't have a sufficiently developed brain to understand that it didn't need to disappear in order for Bitcoin to be what it is today?

You also assume that Satoshi was male, and what if he was actually female?

Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

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Usually, nothing is as it seems, and if the person or persons behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto had a plan (and it is very likely) then the goal of that plan was to convince us of something completely opposite to what is considered the truth today. In his last messages, Satoshi stated anyway that he was leaving Bitcoin in good hands and that he would deal with other things, and he must have done a lot that we certainly cannot attribute to him. However, I don't believe that he has ever made or will make something that will be more successful than Bitcoin.

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Quote from: ABCbits on February 01, 2024, 05:39:22 AM

FYI some people believe real Satoshi wouldn't return and would assume anyone who claim as Satoshi as fake.

We are all Satoshi by using Bitcoin for transactions and satoshi (the smallest unit of Bitcoin) for transaction fee.

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

No. But rather than critic, there would be many disbelief and skepticism. faketoshi CSW attempt to forge several document/file (which found out by government) which makes people more careful against such proof.

Craig Wright made many attempts to convince people that he is Satoshi Nakamoto but failed.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

FYI some people believe real Satoshi wouldn't return and would assume anyone who claim as Satoshi as fake.

Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?

No. But rather than critic, there would be many disbelief and skepticism. faketoshi CSW attempt to forge several document/file (which found out by government) which makes people more careful against such proof.

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Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

Let us say for a moment for pure speculation ofcourse, that Satoshi was very young when he created BTC.

I'd rather you not speculate on Satoshi - especially if it's irrelevant. Who really knows that Satoshi was just one person and not a group - who can guarantee that?

After all, we all never know at what age Satoshi created bitcoin ^{[if he was one person]} and how many people were involved in the group if it consisted of several people. I'm not trying to speculate wildly about it and sniff out something that Satoshi probably never did. It's somewhat reasonable not to speculate on him and hope he returns - but he won't ruin this empire that has been built if he comes back.

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Quote from: HmmMAA on February 01, 2024, 01:20:49 AM

The problem with that PGP key is that while you can see in the wayback machine the first snapshot of bitcoin.org archived with date 31 Jan 2009 ( https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/ ) , if you click the PGP key link at the bottom of the page it will transfer you to a page that has it archived with date 28 Feb 2011 and not with the same date as the original webpage ( https://web.archive.org/web/20110228054007/http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc ) .
So , to my understanding , that PGP key means nothing as someone with access to bitcoin.org could have change the original and placed there another one .

It is also here & a few other places:

https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

When you import it into a PGP program, it shows that the key was created 10/31/2008 and includes the email address "[email protected]".

Since the archived version on bitcoin.org only goes back to Feb 2011, yes, we'd have to trust that the key was not altered between the time Satoshi first added it to the website and the date of the archive. Seeing as how Satoshi was communicating with others up until April 2011, its likely that its the same key. Updates to DNS records for bitcoin.org suggest the domain didn't leave his control until May 2, 2011.

According to theymos, sirius was also an operator of bitcoin.org during this time -- he would have no motivation to change the PGP key either.

Quote from: Keawe on February 01, 2024, 01:40:34 AM

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Fast forward to Dogecoin and he does it again.
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To quote satoshi,

Quote from: satoshi on July 28, 2010, 10:10:46 PM

WTF?

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Let us say for a moment for pure speculation ofcourse, that Satoshi was very young when he created BTC. So young that statistically speaking his brain wasn't even fully developed when he first deployed BTC. The human mind isn't fully developed until the age of 25 for most males. When he does come back I could predict that BTC might be like Steve Jobs first Mac. Brilliant, but a bleep compared to what he would eventually create. I know BTC will always be an integral part of the future of blockchain technology, but what if Satoshj only worked on it for a few hours making it easy for him to forget? Fast forward to Dogecoin and he does it again. This time for only a day or so. Only to forget again and than be reminded of his work so long ago when the same person that he worked on it with ended up in the same grocery store as him nearly 8 years later and 3000 miles from where it all began. Pure fun and imagination ofcourse. But what if everything you thought wasn't what you thought? What if he was still alive and working on something at this very moment? Would you want to be a part of such a project or would your scorn at the thought? BTC Toodles 🍜 LIFE IS SUPPOSED 2 B FUN 😁

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Quote from: nutildah on January 31, 2024, 10:58:47 PM

In addition to signing a message from an address known to be controlled by him, he could also sign a message from this PGP key, which is the same one he was talking about here:

Quote from: satoshi on July 25, 2010, 06:06:57 PM

For future reference, here's my public key. It's the same one that's been there since the bitcoin.org site first went up in 2008. Grab it now in case you need it later.

http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

What's interesting is he never actually signed a message with this key, as far as we know. But signing the same message from both bitcoin address and PGP key would certainly be a good start for proving that he was back.

The problem with that PGP key is that while you can see in the wayback machine the first snapshot of bitcoin.org archived with date 31 Jan 2009 ( https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/ ) , if you click the PGP key link at the bottom of the page it will transfer you to a page that has it archived with date 28 Feb 2011 and not with the same date as the original webpage ( https://web.archive.org/web/20110228054007/http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc ) .
So , to my understanding , that PGP key means nothing as someone with access to bitcoin.org could have change the original and placed there another one .

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What is your motivation for these questions? This is the fourth time you asking about something related to Satoshi and you have not responded to the answers. You will not be able to know anything about Satoshi with information available to everyone, and hidden information will be paid. If anyone was able to determine Satoshi's identity, he would be famous.

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That is precisely the added value that satoshi introduced because crypto is not about how to save time by presenting the vision and mission in a widespread identity, let alone bitcoin which is very important to use. Because everything in our explorer is black on white by saving raw paper reports. So that people are confident with bitcoin transactions that are more confidential but common. Many buyers are moving to bitcoin rather than their wealth is too potentially dangerous for companies, institutions and intuitive units and even users themselves.

Nowadays maybe everyone is comfortable with the incognito system (like satoshi) in transactions, so everyone can create an address for free and satoshi is not lost, he is among us and this is the future. BITCOIN is satoshi and SATOSHI is bitcoin united in a masterpiece.

If in the future he reveals his identity on this forum it will add and there are unexpected updates that will certainly be eagerly awaited by everyone the arrival of the maestro. For me proving with recognition I can do but bitcoin and satoshi are recognized all the time that is very important.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?

I've been reading about the whitepaper to be issued by Satoshi, but do you think it is necessary? Besides, in my experience, a whitepaper is being issued only by a government, an organization or a company. Is Satoshi any of those? He never created Bitcoin in a company or an organisation's capacity, he created it for everyone. So those who are waiting for the whitepaper will continue to wait forever.

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If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?

If any document is produced, it can't hold any water, all that could be done so that people will believe it is truly Satoshi is to make the wallet signings and move his Bitcoin asset. Then, people will believe. Talk is cheap, action is the main thing.

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I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?

Well, his intention is to give everyone the freehand, which he actually did. His coming outside means nothing except for his personal recognition and a weighed contribution in Bitcoin advancements.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 31, 2024, 10:58:47 PM

What's interesting is he never actually signed a message with this key, as far as we know.

Signing a message is not mandatory. If Satoshi Nakamoto already announced his PSG key and his Bitcoin addresses, when he comes back, he can sign messages from those keys as part of evidence. Maybe we will need more than just signed messages to verify Satoshi Nakamoto return.

Quote from: theymos on April 25, 2013, 02:12:22 PM

His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature.

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In addition to signing a message from an address known to be controlled by him, he could also sign a message from this PGP key, which is the same one he was talking about here:

Quote from: satoshi on July 25, 2010, 06:06:57 PM

For future reference, here's my public key. It's the same one that's been there since the bitcoin.org site first went up in 2008. Grab it now in case you need it later.

http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

What's interesting is he never actually signed a message with this key, as far as we know. But signing the same message from both bitcoin address and PGP key would certainly be a good start for proving that he was back.

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Quote from: Keawe on January 31, 2024, 08:26:11 PM

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If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

It's easy, if Satoshi could disappear without anyone knowing then he would know how to come back and how to prove himself

If someone claims to be Satoshi and is busy trying to prove it, he is clearly not Satoshi. Satoshi knew how to disappear and he definitely knew how to come back, if he disappeared without planning it then he would never come back

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If Satoshi ever appears (which I think is very difficult to happen), what could happen is there will be some kind of hysteria from those who don't understand bitcoin.

The people who really understand don't care about that, because the little monster that Satoshi created, not even he can control.

But considering that satoshi moves the coins... where will he move? somewhere where he can have his privacy exposed? very unlikely.

I still think Satoshi was Hal, and Hal is dead, therefore Satoshi is dead

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This curiosity questions has been asked and answer several times in this forum.

I don't think any of this will ever happen because it's been decade since Bitcoin launch and Satoshi did not show up so its never gonna happen.

And I have been hearing rumors that Satoshi Nakamoto is dead already I don't know if it's true or not but believe me his never going to show up any day.

For sure if he was alive or shows up any time, what ever action he takes will have a positive and negative effect in Bitcoin market but not Bitcoin it self because bitcoin is not centralized or should I say everything that happens in Bitcoin is decided by me and you and the bitcoins devs.

Finally I will say you should wake up to reality and stop asking too much questions there is alot going around bitcoin that you should be worried about not all this past curiosities.

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Besides opening one of the wallets.
Aside from just saying I am like Craig Wright.
Would an original Whitepaper doc be sufficient or do you think that there would still be critics? I know there would still be critics, Im just asking what do all of you folks think?
If Satoshi can produce such a document would it harm the value of BTC or increase said value?
I personally don't think it matters much, but I've never been the type to make a big deal of anything. If Satoshi was to come out of the darkness and into the light what would it matter?
Please refrain from any form of free speech that offends anyone on here. Lol BTC

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