Topic: If there was no government to govern us (humans) - page 5. (Read 1184 times)

According to Thomas Hobbes humans are driven by the forces of desire, so in the cost of getting what they want humans will do whatever it takes to get there heart desires. he said without government, society would be in a state of chaos. he further said that men will in fear of one another (continual fear) and danger of violent; and the life of man will be solitary poor, nasty, brutish, and short. This means government as important as the society we live in.

For me personally I can not imagine life without government, no law no control, only the strong will survive.

Truth is I have never imagined a world with any governments or structures to govern a group of people. It would be a world without laws, no authority or governing body,that people need to abide by to live. The obvious effect of this lawlessness would be a state of anarchy. Which is associated with chaos. As there would be no system in place to enforce laws and maintain order among individuals. It would be world without discipline. People may live like animals ruled by the desire or appetite whether good or evil

Since the beginning of the world, someone has been ruling. This world cannot run without governance. A world without governance or a country without governance or a state without governance can never function properly. Whenever a country is not governed by a state government all of those states will claim government and each will claim supreme power. In a country that runs without governance, there will be fights and murders. In short, this world cannot continue for a moment without governance. If you think about your own family, you will see that if there is no responsible person in the family, that family is never accepted as a good family. So whenever a country does not have a government it will never be properly and well run.

In as much as I Know, the governments has caused more political and civil harms to the societies because they fails to concentrate on the purposes of the obligations they are constituted for instead they take charges like the world is an inheritance due to the power of authorities under their commands so @Miles2006, it is nice of you to say bad governance brings about crisis to the societies which in support that the governments are the ones making the societies inconvenience and unfair for the masses.

Government is the law, and without law man will be naturally selfish, brutal and wicked, so the state will be in anarchy and life will ve very short since anyone with more physical power or weapon will take what belongs to the weaker one without the government and law to judge him, so there is need for law and government even though their still have their own short comings, but still society can bot exits without law and government.


Just make a search on the topic: life before government and law, and you will see what those that develope government have seen before they took that step to evolve  government.

I totally disagree, we are all born human but some of us may or may not, will or
will not succumb to greed, hatred and jealousy for example, some people will
have greater goals, desires and ambitions than others and some will do whatever it takes
to reach them, others would be content with what they have.

I know the OP didnt want history lessons but I will say that even with governments
and laws us humans throughout time have been killing each other anyway, do you
think it would be better without governments and laws?

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You describe persons not humans. Persons do as told, even if it is illegal, see Nuernberg process.
Any War is only possible with people, because they have rank and leaders. Unter the law all Humans are equal, a equal can not tell another equal what to do
Humans are born with and have intrinsic values, moral judgments, possess reason and free will to govern.

OP, we are entitle to our opinion or ideas but you see it much impossible for humans in particular to live without been governed or control by any law, it is even difficult to control humans with laws talk more without governance we are too complex to understand, even when you thought that you have known a person you will find out that as time goes on such person will look different in your eyes, even in the Bible which I believe that have existed for decades, there was a government governing different country and province, this us normal, there has to always be a law and this laws has to be obeyed to an extent, if laws and some sanctions do not exist, people will wake up and do anything they like without restrictions.

We are all one species but comprised of different individuals each with similar and
differing agendas and life goals.

As many have pointed out, without rules or some form of governance we all live in a very
chaotic world. There would be grave consequences for us all without laws. It would be a
lawless society, robbery, bullying, exploitation, rape, murder and warfare would be prevalent.
Maybe a utopia would exist in some areas until the bandits and scum found out.

People give out about governments and police but they are there to help us and actually
for the most part make a liveable society, there are things which they get wrong but those
wrongs are a minority.

No state or society can survive without the power of governance. If there was no government, then the leaders or dignitaries of the society would conduct all the judicial affairs. If there is no government it is not possible to manage the country and the people become worse. The economy of the country would have nothing if there was no sense of order there would be conflicts and disputes in the country. For the government system there are law and order forces who manage everything.

Even if there is no strict established government, there would always be a leader.

It must be in our nature to follow people. Often, we follow those who inspire us and those who we want to be like. Someone from the crowd will always stand out and that someone will be the one who will be most followed. This is someone that we trust.

I do not think we, as a society, could survive without any governing power. There are too much on the line. Who would create laws? Who would enforce them? I just don’t think it’s possible to live independently without any government. Your thinking is too dystopian. In a future of lawlessness, there would be chaos and destruction. I am aware that not all governments are good for their country but removing it all together would just be worse. I would rather live in an organized society.

You don't want to know about the history of the past  how politics and government has been in existence before this days but you want us to postulate or propose how society could be in the future should there be no governing body and laws. Op don't forget that you can't know where you're going if you don't know where you're coming from.

Op here's  a quick rhetorical question to trouble you with based on your post.
Imagine this forum to be the society you're talking and capture it in a situation where there's no working laws and mods and admins working behind the curtain as governing bodies regulating the forum against the spams, trolls and shit posts generated in the forum, how do you think the forum is going to be like?

If we started from scratch, for example after a disaster, we'd form our own groups, then towns, then finally local governments.

The problem with today's governments is not their existence, but corruption. The problem is that we grow to countries that are so big that people who govern them live in their fancy apartments in the capital and don't know what's going on 1000 km from their home and sometimes they know, but don't care. It's like another world to them.
How can you expect a group of lawyers and businessmen to know what a small town needs? Even if they know they won't care because they're too busy signing a contract for an international company to build a new factory and employ their brother or sister.

Without a government, even a small one, you'd need some form of council to take its place, otherwise you wouldn't be able to allocate resources. If your neighboring town forms a group of leaders and they decide they could turn you into slaves, what's going to stop them, unless you have the means to protect yourselves, people to keep watch, a group of people who will train to defend the rest, but that group won't be able to work the land or they'll be tired when enemy comes and you don't want them to be, so the rest would have to feed them and so on so forth. Eventually you'd form a society similar to what existed in Ancient Rome, Greece or Egypt, because that's evolution.

Since we evolved to humans, it's believed that there will be always someone to lead the community and this still a common practice in most of the animal species too so living as community and someone to lead from the front is not really an issue until the person thinks of themselves more than the people who are under their leadership.

Corrupt to the bone viruses of the society (living of the host).

Who are the government people? Aren't they the ones who are a bit bolder and ambitious than the average person? If there weren't any ambitious people, we probably would be living like stone age people. Nobody would invent much of anything.

The question is, would we be happier? Many groups of people who are not modernized are living happy lives when they are not persecuted by groups that have government.

You and everyone else governs him/herself. You can steer and go were you want to go and not be taken for a ride.

"Long Live Freedom"
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No any nation or gathering will ever succeed or live in peace without governing or laws, its important to select a leader in a gathering of two, three, four ........ Etc by doing so we will noticed a good and smooth journey. Politics and government are in existence for a long term it doesn't start during our time but the system our leader chooses to follow is not favourable at all because the are the leaders of make laws of the land and they end up not following the same rules.

It would have been bloody all over the world  assume there is no government because, there are some people that have the mind to do anyhow but based on the law that governed every citizens in the land made some people not to do such thing so that the punishment against such law will not happen to the person.

Assume, there is no government, it would have be difficult for people to be educated in some institution because people would have not value certificate many graduate are using to search for job that is putting food on their table these days and to allow them to train their children to any school of their choice.

Governance is a structural component and institution in the human society. It is an indispensable existence to sustain the homeostatic ambience of the world. According to Political Theorists, the constituted Government is the agency of the STATE that exists in abstract. Hence, by virtue of its sovereign status to weild the monopoly feature to command obedience from citizens from all social classes, it attempts to play the mediatory and conciliatory roles among/ between contradictory classes. In the absence of this idea, both the over privileged and the underprivileged class would not be able to cohabit together in a peaceful atmosphere, rather lives of all social classes would have been short, nastic and brutish, according to Thomas Hobbes in his contribution to the social contract theory.