It's your fault mate, mtgox is a trading site, you shouldn't use it as your online wallet and on top of that there is a warning on SD too.
Ps: I don't know if they recycle those address as sending address or not but if they do, someone will get those funds.
Topic: If you still trust MtGox read this story -- 700 EUR stolen! - page 4. (Read 3925 times)
Satoshidice has a warning on their page that you should use a test amount first before betting anything big:
"Only use wallets that allow you to receive Bitcoin from the same address you sent from. If you're not sure, test by sending a bet for the minimum amount. If you get nothing back, then your wallet is not compatible. Note that some bets may require one confirmation before the win/loss value is sent back."
You neglected to follow the warning and therefore it is not MtGOX's fault that you did not get your earnings. They probably use the send account for multiple people and it would be very hard and time intensive to prove that transaction was yours.
Why anyone uses mtgox as their wallet is beyond me, this is why there are ewallets and desktop wallets.
Lesson learned: read the warnings before proceeding with using any system like this. This wasn't even hidden in a TOS or fine print, it's right there on the front page plain and simple!
"Only use wallets that allow you to receive Bitcoin from the same address you sent from. If you're not sure, test by sending a bet for the minimum amount. If you get nothing back, then your wallet is not compatible. Note that some bets may require one confirmation before the win/loss value is sent back."
You neglected to follow the warning and therefore it is not MtGOX's fault that you did not get your earnings. They probably use the send account for multiple people and it would be very hard and time intensive to prove that transaction was yours.
Why anyone uses mtgox as their wallet is beyond me, this is why there are ewallets and desktop wallets.
Lesson learned: read the warnings before proceeding with using any system like this. This wasn't even hidden in a TOS or fine print, it's right there on the front page plain and simple!
Gox also says quite clearly that their system will not work with SatoshiDice.
Satoshidice has a warning on their page that you should use a test amount first before betting anything big:
"Only use wallets that allow you to receive Bitcoin from the same address you sent from. If you're not sure, test by sending a bet for the minimum amount. If you get nothing back, then your wallet is not compatible. Note that some bets may require one confirmation before the win/loss value is sent back."
You neglected to follow the warning and therefore it is not MtGOX's fault that you did not get your earnings. They probably use the send account for multiple people and it would be very hard and time intensive to prove that transaction was yours.
Why anyone uses mtgox as their wallet is beyond me, this is why there are ewallets and desktop wallets.
Lesson learned: read the warnings before proceeding with using any system like this. This wasn't even hidden in a TOS or fine print, it's right there on the front page plain and simple!
"Only use wallets that allow you to receive Bitcoin from the same address you sent from. If you're not sure, test by sending a bet for the minimum amount. If you get nothing back, then your wallet is not compatible. Note that some bets may require one confirmation before the win/loss value is sent back."
You neglected to follow the warning and therefore it is not MtGOX's fault that you did not get your earnings. They probably use the send account for multiple people and it would be very hard and time intensive to prove that transaction was yours.
Why anyone uses mtgox as their wallet is beyond me, this is why there are ewallets and desktop wallets.
Lesson learned: read the warnings before proceeding with using any system like this. This wasn't even hidden in a TOS or fine print, it's right there on the front page plain and simple!
So I played some SatoshiDice from MtGox, as I was a newbie and their system provided no warning when I put a 1dice address in.
SatoshiDice sent me back around 700 EUR (one of the lucky bets txn is below).
Of course I never got that money, as I found out later the return addresses MtGox provides are not tied to your account, and the money appears somewhere else within MtGox-operated accounts network.
Watch me appeal to MtGox Customer Support, and watch them fail harder with every response (tldr; incompetent support with no human decency and lacking the concept of private property, thinking they just get to keep my money!)
Below is a complete account of an MtGox Customer Support issue:
Me - May 15 18:36
Hi,
I've used SatoshiDice several times before accidentally hovering over the help icon and reading that it doesn't work (as I found out later by browsing the forums, mtgox does not seem to provide the correct return address). I have over 500 EUR in bitcoins that never reached my address. Please send me that money, I need it as soon as possible.
I have a usability suggestion for you. All SatoshiDice addresses start with 1dice. If the users puts in an address that looks like an SD address, display the warning that it won't work with mtgox (or even disable the button). Of course, the real solution would be to make it work, but this would at least mitigate the problem for now.
Also, it would help if the chat displayed wait time estimate. I've waited for over half an hour on the chat before writing this email.
James Support
Support Desk
Hello,
Thank you for the email. Let me inform you that the send address is used for only temporarily and it can not be used as received address.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 15, 2013 22:26
Yes, I already understand that (as should be clear from my message). I will not do that again, and I have provided a usability suggestion that should help others in understanding that. When will you send me my money?
Me - May 15, 2013 22:30
Here is an example of my satoshidice bet http://src.satoshidice.com/longpoll.php?tx=5c2f36654a40e415f343e70e5077ab04dde01ff194df439f6d17b686842f32a4
The address is temporary, but it still belongs to mtgox, so you received the winning from that bet, correct?
James Support - May 15, 2013 22:37
Support Desk
Hello,
Let me inform you that we will not able to receive the funds to the Mt.Gox. Please be clear send address cant be used as receive address.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 16, 2013 20:28
Please do take a few minutes and answer the questions I've asked so far.
As long as I understand:
* You know about the situation, as the hint states
* You did not inform me of this problem when I was doing a transaction, while you had all means to warn me and prevent the situation from arising
* The money is now in one of the accounts you have access to
The conclusion I can make out is: you have my money, you have gained it by negligence.
In light of the recent case (http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Mt-Gox-Dwolla-Warrant-5-14-13.pdf) I doubt you would like more attention from authorities right now (in my case German authorities, as I am a German resident).
You would be wise to give me the decency of a human response explaining the situation in detail. Please consider escalating this request if you do not have enough authority to do so.
James Support - May 16, 2013 21:53
Support Desk
Hello,
Thank you for the email. Please send us the sending and receiving address that the funds has been sent to you.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 17, 2013 19:16
Unfortunately, mtgox does not show the transaction ids in account history
Please provide me with the transaction numbers for all the withdrawals to 1dice addresses from my account since 2013/05/14, then I will contact SatoshiDice to provide you with the sending and receiving addresses
James Support - May 17, 2013 22:03
Support Desk
Hello,
To check the account history of you account. Please click on Account history of your account and click on top right corner for the account history.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 19, 2013 20:04
James, Account history does not show the transaction IDs! I need the transaction IDS!
Me - May 19, 2013 20:27
Please look up withdrawals to 1dice addresses from my account since 2013/05/14, and provide me with transaction addresses, just like I asked in the previous message.
James Support - May 19, 2013 20:30
Support Desk
Hello,
Please be advised we do not have control of your account and you can have reference number from your account history.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 20, 2013 22:29
> you can have reference number from your account history.
Here they are (attached). Please kindly tell me where I can find reference numbers?
mtgox satoshidice withdrawals.png (quick view)
James Support - May 20, 2013 23:00
Support Desk
Hello,
For your information, the transactions for the past three months will be active and other transactions will be archived. the option is available in the account history and it can be downloaded in CSV format at the top right corner. Please contact us for further assistance.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 22, 2013 00:40
Hi James,
The CSV File does not give me any additional information either, see attached file.
mtgox-csv.png (quick view)
James Support - May 22, 2013 01:48
Support Desk
Hello,
Thank you for the email. We do not have the control of your account. Please be refer the below attachment for your reference.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
SatoshiDice.JPG (quick view)
Note: support staff fail, they didn't bother to look at what their system actually shows. this attachment was not helpful, it was just a screenshot of SatoshiDice help icon hover warning that had been discussed in my first message
Me - May 24, 2013 01:22
Please at least return this one:
88dda561b795f8eb320b5330236830f13c9e19e8148145b0250c61bb755711d0
Danny - May 24, 2013 02:13
Support Desk
Hello,
Kindly note that our system will not work with SatoshiDice and it is not possible for us to locate the transaction. Please file a police report in order for the police to investigate the case and make an effort to retrieve your funds. We will cooperate with the police authority in providing the necessary information for the investigation, but we are unable to reimburse any funds.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 24, 2013 09:24
No wonder people DDoS you
Danny - May 24, 2013 09:37
Support Desk
Hello,
We have already explained in the withdrawals page about our system no compatibility with SatoshiDice. Contact us for any further assistance.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 26, 2013 09:01
Your explanation came too late and my money is in an account held by you. How do you even dare steal my stuff and make me go through police..
James Support - May 26, 2013 11:28
Support Desk
Hello,
Let me inform you that the funds are not held by us and we did not receive the money. You can contact SatoshiDice or please file a police report in order for the police to investigate the case and make an effort to retrieve your funds.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 26, 2013 19:08
So who holds the funds? The transaction states the money was sent to an address operated by you.
SatoshiDice sent me back around 700 EUR (one of the lucky bets txn is below).
Of course I never got that money, as I found out later the return addresses MtGox provides are not tied to your account, and the money appears somewhere else within MtGox-operated accounts network.
Watch me appeal to MtGox Customer Support, and watch them fail harder with every response (tldr; incompetent support with no human decency and lacking the concept of private property, thinking they just get to keep my money!)
Below is a complete account of an MtGox Customer Support issue:
Me - May 15 18:36
Hi,
I've used SatoshiDice several times before accidentally hovering over the help icon and reading that it doesn't work (as I found out later by browsing the forums, mtgox does not seem to provide the correct return address). I have over 500 EUR in bitcoins that never reached my address. Please send me that money, I need it as soon as possible.
I have a usability suggestion for you. All SatoshiDice addresses start with 1dice. If the users puts in an address that looks like an SD address, display the warning that it won't work with mtgox (or even disable the button). Of course, the real solution would be to make it work, but this would at least mitigate the problem for now.
Also, it would help if the chat displayed wait time estimate. I've waited for over half an hour on the chat before writing this email.
James Support
Support Desk
Hello,
Thank you for the email. Let me inform you that the send address is used for only temporarily and it can not be used as received address.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 15, 2013 22:26
Yes, I already understand that (as should be clear from my message). I will not do that again, and I have provided a usability suggestion that should help others in understanding that. When will you send me my money?
Me - May 15, 2013 22:30
Here is an example of my satoshidice bet http://src.satoshidice.com/longpoll.php?tx=5c2f36654a40e415f343e70e5077ab04dde01ff194df439f6d17b686842f32a4
The address is temporary, but it still belongs to mtgox, so you received the winning from that bet, correct?
James Support - May 15, 2013 22:37
Support Desk
Hello,
Let me inform you that we will not able to receive the funds to the Mt.Gox. Please be clear send address cant be used as receive address.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 16, 2013 20:28
Please do take a few minutes and answer the questions I've asked so far.
As long as I understand:
* You know about the situation, as the hint states
* You did not inform me of this problem when I was doing a transaction, while you had all means to warn me and prevent the situation from arising
* The money is now in one of the accounts you have access to
The conclusion I can make out is: you have my money, you have gained it by negligence.
In light of the recent case (http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Mt-Gox-Dwolla-Warrant-5-14-13.pdf) I doubt you would like more attention from authorities right now (in my case German authorities, as I am a German resident).
You would be wise to give me the decency of a human response explaining the situation in detail. Please consider escalating this request if you do not have enough authority to do so.
James Support - May 16, 2013 21:53
Support Desk
Hello,
Thank you for the email. Please send us the sending and receiving address that the funds has been sent to you.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 17, 2013 19:16
Unfortunately, mtgox does not show the transaction ids in account history
Please provide me with the transaction numbers for all the withdrawals to 1dice addresses from my account since 2013/05/14, then I will contact SatoshiDice to provide you with the sending and receiving addresses
James Support - May 17, 2013 22:03
Support Desk
Hello,
To check the account history of you account. Please click on Account history of your account and click on top right corner for the account history.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 19, 2013 20:04
James, Account history does not show the transaction IDs! I need the transaction IDS!
Me - May 19, 2013 20:27
Please look up withdrawals to 1dice addresses from my account since 2013/05/14, and provide me with transaction addresses, just like I asked in the previous message.
James Support - May 19, 2013 20:30
Support Desk
Hello,
Please be advised we do not have control of your account and you can have reference number from your account history.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 20, 2013 22:29
> you can have reference number from your account history.
Here they are (attached). Please kindly tell me where I can find reference numbers?
mtgox satoshidice withdrawals.png (quick view)
James Support - May 20, 2013 23:00
Support Desk
Hello,
For your information, the transactions for the past three months will be active and other transactions will be archived. the option is available in the account history and it can be downloaded in CSV format at the top right corner. Please contact us for further assistance.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 22, 2013 00:40
Hi James,
The CSV File does not give me any additional information either, see attached file.
mtgox-csv.png (quick view)
James Support - May 22, 2013 01:48
Support Desk
Hello,
Thank you for the email. We do not have the control of your account. Please be refer the below attachment for your reference.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
SatoshiDice.JPG (quick view)
Note: support staff fail, they didn't bother to look at what their system actually shows. this attachment was not helpful, it was just a screenshot of SatoshiDice help icon hover warning that had been discussed in my first message
Me - May 24, 2013 01:22
Please at least return this one:
88dda561b795f8eb320b5330236830f13c9e19e8148145b0250c61bb755711d0
Danny - May 24, 2013 02:13
Support Desk
Hello,
Kindly note that our system will not work with SatoshiDice and it is not possible for us to locate the transaction. Please file a police report in order for the police to investigate the case and make an effort to retrieve your funds. We will cooperate with the police authority in providing the necessary information for the investigation, but we are unable to reimburse any funds.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 24, 2013 09:24
No wonder people DDoS you
Danny - May 24, 2013 09:37
Support Desk
Hello,
We have already explained in the withdrawals page about our system no compatibility with SatoshiDice. Contact us for any further assistance.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 26, 2013 09:01
Your explanation came too late and my money is in an account held by you. How do you even dare steal my stuff and make me go through police..
James Support - May 26, 2013 11:28
Support Desk
Hello,
Let me inform you that the funds are not held by us and we did not receive the money. You can contact SatoshiDice or please file a police report in order for the police to investigate the case and make an effort to retrieve your funds.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Me - May 26, 2013 19:08
So who holds the funds? The transaction states the money was sent to an address operated by you.
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