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Topic: If you're thinking buying mining hardware, read this first - page 5. (Read 92715 times)

sr. member
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i don't really see the point. investing thousands of $ into mining gear and investing some idle cpu cycles are 2 whole different things. nobody has invested in mining 1-2 years ago. nobody. they have used what was available.

Never PRESUME, because it makes PRES out of U and ME...


...or something like that

:O i've read the difficulty chart. i thought that's enough to assume nobody invested in mining.
hero member
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Seal Cub Clubbing Club
i don't really see the point. investing thousands of $ into mining gear and investing some idle cpu cycles are 2 whole different things. nobody has invested in mining 1-2 years ago. nobody. they have used what was available.

Never PRESUME, because it makes PRES out of U and ME...


...or something like that
hero member
Activity: 896
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Seal Cub Clubbing Club
If you think now is a bad time to invest in mining, it was even worse for the early adopters 1-2 years ago.  At least now you can expect somewhat of a return for your money.  Early adopters were looking at absolutely zero for their investment.
except now those pennies they were making became thousands of dollars
how terrible for those early adopters

B-b-but early adopters shouldn't have mined Bitcoins to begin with because it was unprofitable!
sr. member
Activity: 742
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If you think now is a bad time to invest in mining, it was even worse for the early adopters 1-2 years ago.  At least now you can expect somewhat of a return for your money.  Early adopters were looking at absolutely zero for their investment.
except now those pennies they were making became thousands of dollars
how terrible for those early adopters

i don't really see the point. investing thousands of $ into mining gear and investing some idle cpu cycles are 2 whole different things. nobody has invested in mining 1-2 years ago. nobody. they have used what was available.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
If you think now is a bad time to invest in mining, it was even worse for the early adopters 1-2 years ago.  At least now you can expect somewhat of a return for your money.  Early adopters were looking at absolutely zero for their investment.
except now those pennies they were making became thousands of dollars
how terrible for those early adopters
sr. member
Activity: 742
Merit: 250
Speaking of mining,I do wonder how many people are now stopping mining (as it's unprofitable for the ones with weak GPUs) and how quickly can difficulty go down as well as up?

This isn't my intention to complain or whine,but I simply wish to understand more about what's making it more difficult for me to get as much money as before aside from the currency losing value for a bit.

I wish the value of BTC rises again soon so I can finally cashout my mined BTC without making a loss.What is the current value of BTC?

it's much faster to decide to start mining than to stop mining. if you want to stop, you have to start counting your losses, you might want to sell your rigs slowly etc. so stopping is a pretty hard decision unless you already amortized your investment. theoretically it's possible for the difficulty to go down as well/fast as it can go up. not very likely, though.

current value is $14 (bitcoinwatch.com). i'm waiting for $20 (which might never happen again) to sell my coins. probably gonna buy a 2nd 6950 then and stop mining.

legendary
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Freelance videographer
Speaking of mining,I do wonder how many people are now stopping mining (as it's unprofitable for the ones with weak GPUs) and how quickly can difficulty go down as well as up?

This isn't my intention to complain or whine,but I simply wish to understand more about what's making it more difficult for me to get as much money as before aside from the currency losing value for a bit.

I wish the value of BTC rises again soon so I can finally cashout my mined BTC without making a loss.What is the current value of BTC?
hero member
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Seal Cub Clubbing Club
If you think now is a bad time to invest in mining, it was even worse for the early adopters 1-2 years ago.  At least now you can expect somewhat of a return for your money.  Early adopters were looking at absolutely zero for their investment.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
If you won't miss the money (i.e., you're spending your "spending money"), then go ahead.

Worst case, you don't make much and you have yourself some computer hardware that plays games well.

I would say, however, that the "get rich quick" phase has unfortunately passed.  You're looking at 70-day payoff periods on cards (110+ days on systems) instead of 9 or 10 day payoff periods like we had in early June.

But the problem is, nobody really knows where Bitcoin is going. It's a gamble. BTC could continue to get cheaper every week, even as difficulty inches up every 1 1/2 weeks. That's what seems to be happening right now, so it's safest to bet on that (a.k.a., "more of the same") -- but that could change if something happened out of left field.

Long story short, Bitcoin is still a gamble. Are you a gambling man? 
But it's not exactly like playing the lottery, because when you lose the lotto you just have a lousy piece of paper. PC hardware is better than that.

Matthew

newbie
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A lot of people on this forum are talking about (in the last few days anyway) that it's a bad time to invest in new rigging equipment. Is that something that can be determined by 3 or 4 factors (power = 8 cents per KW hour, 1 BTC = roughly $14US, difficulty = a lot, rig building = $110)? Assuming all the variables stayed the same for the next few months, is it seriously a bad time to buy/add hardware now? I just bought a good video card cuz I wanted to upgrade my video card before I knew what a BitCoin was, but I am a little overzealous upon learning about BitCoin mining (brand new to me, I knew nothing 4 days ago) and can afford to build a decent 3 card system this week.  Undecided
sr. member
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You have to be more specific.

If there is a NET LOSS of mining capacity, then difficulty will go down.

But just because 1,000 5830's are taken offline doesn't mean that 1000 6870's aren't going ONLINE somewhere else.

That's why you have to net it out. The bitcoin network charts show the actual state of the network, based on how many blocks are being found per hour.
The number to look at is "expected difficulty" -- that shows what we're on track to get at the next reset.
newbie
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So, a decline in miners/mining hash causes difficulty to increase?
sr. member
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Now here's the million dollar question: Has that change decreased linearly, or exponentially?  No seriously, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, does anyone know?  Who's up for creating some XLS ?

there's a million dollar reward on many many mathematical problems, but i doubt there's one on this one. http://bitcoin.sipa.be/.

obviously it's exponential, but as someone on this forum has said "every exponential is a logistic in disguise" which seems to be pretty true. hasn't been going exponential in the past 2 weeks.
newbie
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Now here's the million dollar question: Has that change decreased linearly, or exponentially?  No seriously, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, does anyone know?  Who's up for creating some XLS ?
sr. member
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What I find interesting is that there are so many variables at work here that determine profits (power costs, difficulty, current BitCoin value).  Obviously there must still be some, even after power costs, for those who already have the equipment, or continue buying it cuz they've wanted state-of-the-art equipment on their system since WAY before the BitCoin existed (e.g. gamers).  I happen to be one of those people who wants a great video card in my system so I have a good system, mining BitCoins is just a current, temporary bonus.  But one thing I've noticed: a lot of posts made in May stated how mining was profitable then, but won't be as difficulty increases.  But back then, a BitCoin was only worth 4 and a half bucks!  Obviously the price is volatile, unpredictable, and has some inherent risk, but what investment in life isn't?

People on the internet like to bitch and moan about all kinds of things. I'm sure that back in May life was different and thus required different amounts of bitching than the current state of available things of which to bitch about now. Life's a bitch, just mine coins and enjoy it. If it ends up being profitable, great! If not, you tried.

My word of advice, with my $5K invested in BTC mining, is that there are too many variables to do very accurate projections. You either go for it or don't. BTC is a gamble. It's better than going to a casino though Wink

well.. $4.50 at 200k difficulty (average in may) and $14 at 1.6m difficulty. that's 155% more profitable than it is today (before electricity cost, so effective profit was even higher).

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At stock clocks, the difference will be around 140w. If unlock the shaders and overclock, probably 200w or more.

If its only for mining, don't overclock your cpu, or replace your I7 with an I3. You can also lower the memory clocks of your video card, it will lower the temps and power consumption a little bit. 250MHz seems the lowest I can set for DDR2 and DDR3 cards without affecting hashing performance, and 300-400 for GDDR5. Lowering mem clock can also help to stabilize your card at higher core clocks.
I need help underclocking my i7 in bios on mobo Asus P6T SE to reduce CPU power use while giving GPU more of the available power needed for mining.Also how to underclock 6GB RAM or wotever it is to reduce power use of these parts to make more power available for GPU mining.

If some1 knows how,then please either put it in this thrad if possible or if not link to it in ur reply.


Thanx n4l3hp 4 the advice on hte GPU power use.

P.S does someone know of a good cost effective SSD at 80GB and 120GB capacities thanx?.It needs to be long lasting,reliable,cost effective,fast and low power consumption.

alright, first of all, you don't use an i7 as a dedicated miner. it's way too expensive. secondly, your post sounds as if your PSU doesn't have enough power to support your graphics cards if the other components use up too much power. that's not the best case here, you don't want to run a PSU at its maximum capacity. lastly a ssd doesn't consume much power, you can go with any type/brand. even a hdd doesn't consume very much when idle.

solution:

get a dedicated rig, low power (+consumption) cpu, a usb stick with linuxcoin, a few cards, and a decently sized PSU (of course you need a board and ram, too. but there's not much you can do about its power consumption).

ps: your nick and your language.. wow
member
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What I find interesting is that there are so many variables at work here that determine profits (power costs, difficulty, current BitCoin value).  Obviously there must still be some, even after power costs, for those who already have the equipment, or continue buying it cuz they've wanted state-of-the-art equipment on their system since WAY before the BitCoin existed (e.g. gamers).  I happen to be one of those people who wants a great video card in my system so I have a good system, mining BitCoins is just a current, temporary bonus.  But one thing I've noticed: a lot of posts made in May stated how mining was profitable then, but won't be as difficulty increases.  But back then, a BitCoin was only worth 4 and a half bucks!  Obviously the price is volatile, unpredictable, and has some inherent risk, but what investment in life isn't?

People on the internet like to bitch and moan about all kinds of things. I'm sure that back in May life was different and thus required different amounts of bitching than the current state of available things of which to bitch about now. Life's a bitch, just mine coins and enjoy it. If it ends up being profitable, great! If not, you tried.

My word of advice, with my $5K invested in BTC mining, is that there are too many variables to do very accurate projections. You either go for it or don't. BTC is a gamble. It's better than going to a casino though Wink
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
What I find interesting is that there are so many variables at work here that determine profits (power costs, difficulty, current BitCoin value).  Obviously there must still be some, even after power costs, for those who already have the equipment, or continue buying it cuz they've wanted state-of-the-art equipment on their system since WAY before the BitCoin existed (e.g. gamers).  I happen to be one of those people who wants a great video card in my system so I have a good system, mining BitCoins is just a current, temporary bonus.  But one thing I've noticed: a lot of posts made in May stated how mining was profitable then, but won't be as difficulty increases.  But back then, a BitCoin was only worth 4 and a half bucks!  Obviously the price is volatile, unpredictable, and has some inherent risk, but what investment in life isn't?
sr. member
Activity: 546
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It's very simple in BIOS but really not necessary. Core i7 downclocks itself when not in usage, and cuts down on power consumption drastically. In fact it will use very little power compared to your GPUs while mining as will the RAM. But basically just go in and reduce the clock speed and try put down the voltage if you want, might save a few watts  Cheesy

For SSD I recommend the Intel 320 series. They have a 5 year warranty now, and boast the best reliability and compatibility. Plus they're really fast.
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1000
Freelance videographer
At stock clocks, the difference will be around 140w. If unlock the shaders and overclock, probably 200w or more.

If its only for mining, don't overclock your cpu, or replace your I7 with an I3. You can also lower the memory clocks of your video card, it will lower the temps and power consumption a little bit. 250MHz seems the lowest I can set for DDR2 and DDR3 cards without affecting hashing performance, and 300-400 for GDDR5. Lowering mem clock can also help to stabilize your card at higher core clocks.
I need help underclocking my i7 in bios on mobo Asus P6T SE to reduce CPU power use while giving GPU more of the available power needed for mining.Also how to underclock 6GB RAM or wotever it is to reduce power use of these parts to make more power available for GPU mining.

If some1 knows how,then please either put it in this thrad if possible or if not link to it in ur reply.


Thanx n4l3hp 4 the advice on hte GPU power use.

P.S does someone know of a good cost effective SSD at 80GB and 120GB capacities thanx?.It needs to be long lasting,reliable,cost effective,fast and low power consumption.
full member
Activity: 173
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At stock clocks, the difference will be around 140w. If unlock the shaders and overclock, probably 200w or more.

If its only for mining, don't overclock your cpu, or replace your I7 with an I3. You can also lower the memory clocks of your video card, it will lower the temps and power consumption a little bit. 250MHz seems the lowest I can set for DDR2 and DDR3 cards without affecting hashing performance, and 300-400 for GDDR5. Lowering mem clock can also help to stabilize your card at higher core clocks.
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