I'm really leaving the U.S. for a 3rd world country because of politics - page 11.

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Quote from: Tyrantt on December 14, 2016, 08:14:41 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 14, 2016, 03:44:21 PM

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I've never heard any celebrity saying that they'l move to mexico Cheesy

So are we going to start a fundraiser to get them one way tickets or...?

A person doesn't neccesarily need to renounce their US passport to emigrate to another country, they can gain dual citizenship in many (but not all) cases.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

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What's that island that Roger Ver tried to get his citizenship? St. Kitts? They have a Hilton and a KFC - the 2 things a celebrity in exile needs. Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 14, 2016, 03:44:21 PM

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I've never heard any celebrity saying that they'l move to mexico Cheesy

So are we going to start a fundraiser to get them one way tickets or...?

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Quote from: Klima on December 14, 2016, 04:39:51 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 14, 2016, 03:44:21 PM

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I doubt that anyone would agree to surrender his American passport, but that's not it. The fact that a very large number of people do not support policies Trump will bring more tension in the society.

The irony is there is NOT a single celebrity who can't afford a country like Mexico. Mexico only wants something like $130,000 USD to get an investor visa, which grants you permanent residency and citizenship after 5 years - IIRC.

I'm sure there could be 1000s and 10,000s of Americans who left America just because of Trump, but how many get naturalized or born each year? How many unemployed college graduates get churned out every semester? Ditto.

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Quote from: Klima on December 14, 2016, 04:39:51 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 14, 2016, 03:44:21 PM

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I doubt that anyone would agree to surrender his American passport, but that's not it. The fact that a very large number of people do not support policies Trump will bring more tension in the society.

You exaggerate

This is the era of Slacktivism. Most of the effort you can get out of millenials is a like on Facebook. Even at those Dakota Access protests, not counting the locals who had an actual incentive to do something, all the protesters were professional protesters (some were Canadian / European) and middle-aged university academia who took vacation time.

Only time millenials went out in droves was those Occupy Wall Street protesters and they were predominately white millenials too. Those young white people will be Trump's support base if he does deliver on jobs.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 14, 2016, 03:44:21 PM

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I doubt that anyone would agree to surrender his American passport, but that's not it. The fact that a very large number of people do not support policies Trump will bring more tension in the society.

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Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

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Quote from: fiserman on December 12, 2016, 11:22:45 PM

Panama is an easy country to get into. I have lived here on a tourist visa for 5 years now. for those of you interested: http://expatriate.space/2016/11/09/residency-options-for-panama/

I was interested when I found out you could work towards a permanent residency. Then I thought about it and thought maybe it's not realistic. What's the odds for maintaining a work visa, although there is a 30 day window, for 4 years? That means you cannot ever get fired or, if you get fired, then you get 30 days to lineup a job but most English teaching positions only hire twice a year.

Seems the easiest way, so long as you have money laying around, is to stay on a student visa studying some fluff or investing $150,000.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on December 08, 2016, 10:09:15 PM

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Quote from: darkangel11 on December 08, 2016, 11:39:43 AM

It's the same in the UK. I have a friend, who left the UK because of growing costs of living and moved to Australia. Not really a third world country, but he's really happy there. He used to have a business in the UK and couldn't afford anything besides a typical daily life, so if you're thinking of moving to Europe from the US, think twice.
As for the Philippines I also have a friend who lives there and he spends most of his year working abroad in Australia and Germany as a salesman. He said to me once that it's very hard to live and work in his country and people usually live in poverty or work abroad.

Australia has fairly high wages and arguably low cost of living. You can get a roommate situation for as low as $600 AUD a month and yet make $2,880 a month.

You speak as if to go to Australia is easy. You tried to live at 40 degrees and 100% humidity? Besides, there are very many poisonous snakes, crocodiles and spiders. In the ocean, sharks and poisonous sea animals, and jellyfish.

And you're speaking like it's easy to live in cold climate. I had a chance to live in a house heated by a coal furnace with temperatures close to -10*C outside and it's no fun either.

-10*C is warm

I had been waking up to -30*C for the last days. The urban legend of everything past -5 feels the same isn't true at all. I can crack open the window and my hair will freeze.

You can go to sleep with 4 blankets on and still wake up freezing, because almost no building is insulated for this extreme weather.

I don't bother with winter jackets but thermal underwear and thermal undershirts can be very expensive.

In addition to heating, a big cost people in warmer climates don't know about is vehicle. You need 2 sets of tires, 1 being winter tires and they go up to $1,000. Almost everyone also has been rear-ended or trashed their car because of driving conditions.

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Congrats! America will be a better place to live without brain-dead liberals like you. Also, you must renounce the American citizenship as soon as possible, else you have to pay income tax on your earnings in Philippines.

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Quote from: Gibbar on December 13, 2016, 11:57:26 PM

Op has a point. This country does seem to have a huge problem with jackasses. Some people are jealous of anyone smarter, better looking or happier than them. These garbage like to harass others, at any rate some of us are not surprised by the huge number of mass shootings. And to be honest some of this garbage deserves to die. Why should op be basically run out of his country in pursuit of happiness.

It is not just in America who have jackasses. All places in the world have it, all places that is populated by people. They are everywhere

@OP Since you have already traveled in the Philippines, looks like you also know the things that you might face right after moving out. There is no real problem about it

have time to explore, just don't leave all behind and be sure to have a backup plan just in case things weren't met.

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Op has a point. This country does seem to have a huge problem with jackasses. Some people are jealous of anyone smarter, better looking or happier than them. These garbage like to harass others, at any rate some of us are not surprised by the huge number of mass shootings. And to be honest some of this garbage deserves to die. Why should op be basically run out of his country in pursuit of happiness.

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Quote from: protokol on December 12, 2016, 08:02:48 PM

Quote from: Sundark on December 12, 2016, 07:49:51 PM

So Philippines is so great compared to all other places you can travel and live? Why not pick New Zealand, because it is more expensive and not 3rd world country?
I still think that US is not that bad place to live even today, wait a bit what will happen under Trump's presidency.

I know someone living/working in NZ atm, they really like it there. Beautiful place, I'm hopefully going to see them out there next year.

However the entry requirements for a NZ visa are very strict, like many of the more "developed" countries of the world eg USA/UK/Canada/Australia/Japan/South Korea (basically all the 5 eyes countries, plus the most developed Asian countries. You basically NEED at least a Batchelors degree to get a visa unless you know someone.

Entry requirements for certain SE asian and South American countries are less strict, eg Thailand/Cambodia/Vietnam/Taiwan/Mexico/Peru/Colombia and many more. Plus cost of living is incredibly cheap, and wages can be reasonable if you have certain skills. My plan is to do some english teaching in SE Asia, as it pays quite well and you don't need to know the native language.

I'd recommend you learn some before going there. You may not need to know it at work, but you will have to in the street, unless you're planning to go straight home after work and stay there until morning.

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Panama is an easy country to get into. I have lived here on a tourist visa for 5 years now. for those of you interested: http://expatriate.space/2016/11/09/residency-options-for-panama/

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Quote from: Sundark on December 12, 2016, 07:49:51 PM

So Philippines is so great compared to all other places you can travel and live? Why not pick New Zealand, because it is more expensive and not 3rd world country?
I still think that US is not that bad place to live even today, wait a bit what will happen under Trump's presidency.

I know someone living/working in NZ atm, they really like it there. Beautiful place, I'm hopefully going to see them out there next year.

However the entry requirements for a NZ visa are very strict, like many of the more "developed" countries of the world eg USA/UK/Canada/Australia/Japan/South Korea (basically all the 5 eyes countries, plus the most developed Asian countries. You basically NEED at least a Batchelors degree to get a visa unless you know someone.

Entry requirements for certain SE asian and South American countries are less strict, eg Thailand/Cambodia/Vietnam/Taiwan/Mexico/Peru/Colombia and many more. Plus cost of living is incredibly cheap, and wages can be reasonable if you have certain skills. My plan is to do some english teaching in SE Asia, as it pays quite well and you don't need to know the native language.

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Quote from: The-Accountant on December 12, 2016, 07:29:35 PM

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Quote from: The-Accountant on December 12, 2016, 07:02:41 PM

Good riddance, if that is enough for you to do a runner then run and hope you don't get worse in your next country and that the grass is actually greener on the other side.

"Good riddance" haha you don't even know the guy, no need to disrespect him you fucking dunce. If you've actually travelled to some other countries you'd know that there are some excellent opportunities available for work, quite often with reasonable pay.

Like OP explained, a big problem with many "western"/"developed" countries right now is that rent/houses/living expenses are really expensive compared to wages. Although the wages in underdeveloped countries are generally less, with some good skills and experience you could easily be earning $1-2k a month, and living expenses are a fraction of what they cost in places like the USA and UK. This means you could be getting a better quality of life living somewhere like SE Asia than in the USA, and be saving money to buy a house or similar in the future.

Go cry a river elsewhere you emotional bitch. OOOOooo really expensive to rent, then get a decent job and stop doping all your money away.

Haha, yeah right don't even attempt to intelligently discuss the points I bring up, that would be too much effort am I right?

Just chuck some immasculating ad hominem in there, some capital 'O's and an unsubstantiated accusation of drug use, and you're good to go right?

If you can't formulate any valid rebuttals to what either me or the OP are saying, do us both a favour and fuck off.

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So Philippines is so great compared to all other places you can travel and live? Why not pick New Zealand, because it is more expensive and not 3rd world country?
I still think that US is not that bad place to live even today, wait a bit what will happen under Trump's presidency.

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Quote from: protokol on December 12, 2016, 07:25:30 PM

Quote from: The-Accountant on December 12, 2016, 07:02:41 PM

Good riddance, if that is enough for you to do a runner then run and hope you don't get worse in your next country and that the grass is actually greener on the other side.

"Good riddance" haha you don't even know the guy, no need to disrespect him you fucking dunce. If you've actually travelled to some other countries you'd know that there are some excellent opportunities available for work, quite often with reasonable pay.

Like OP explained, a big problem with many "western"/"developed" countries right now is that rent/houses/living expenses are really expensive compared to wages. Although the wages in underdeveloped countries are generally less, with some good skills and experience you could easily be earning $1-2k a month, and living expenses are a fraction of what they cost in places like the USA and UK. This means you could be getting a better quality of life living somewhere like SE Asia than in the USA, and be saving money to buy a house or similar in the future.

Go cry a river elsewhere you emotional bitch. OOOOooo really expensive to rent, then get a decent job and stop doping all your money away.

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Quote from: The-Accountant on December 12, 2016, 07:02:41 PM

Good riddance, if that is enough for you to do a runner then run and hope you don't get worse in your next country and that the grass is actually greener on the other side.

"Good riddance" haha you don't even know the guy, no need to disrespect him you fucking dunce. If you've actually travelled to some other countries you'd know that there are some excellent opportunities available for work, quite often with reasonable pay.

Like OP explained, a big problem with many "western"/"developed" countries right now is that rent/houses/living expenses are really expensive compared to wages. Although the wages in underdeveloped countries are generally less, with some good skills and experience you could easily be earning $1-2k a month, and living expenses are a fraction of what they cost in places like the USA and UK. This means you could be getting a better quality of life living somewhere like SE Asia than in the USA, and be saving money to buy a house or similar in the future.

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Good riddance, if that is enough for you to do a runner then run and hope you don't get worse in your next country and that the grass is actually greener on the other side.

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